Are you sure the manusmrti mentions all that? What if what you read was a corrupted version and not the original?
Besides, that work does not seem to be authoritative and followed strictly at all.
There were several admirers of the work (people who were not orthodox brahmins or supporters of caste system).
Besides, that article that I showed you, does have citations and references and does not focus exclusively only any single thing. If you go through it completely you would know.
Manu smriti and other Hindu law books in all its glory can be seen here in English translation and here in original Sanskrit text....manu-smriti
this is ofcourse a focused excerpts from manusmriti .
Dear sankar100, I request you to state what your proposition is, I am not able to ascertain what that might be either from the link you have provided or from the title of the thread......Besides, that work does not seem to be authoritative and followed strictly at all..
I wonder what was the need for philosophers like Shankara and Ramanuja to cite the smrithis. Very very very very sad indeed......On the other hand, I can cite exact chapter and verse (I have done so earlier) in which Adi Sankara and Bhagavat Ramanuja cite these smirthies to point out that Shudras, not even pancamas, even shudras, will have to suffer the punishment of molten lead poured into their ears and/or their tongues cut out. So, whether or not these vile verses were inserted into an original pristine text, one that is authoritative version in your opinion, it is undeniable that the version acknowledged by the patron saints of at least two dominant branches of Brahmins as authoritative is the one you suspect is a corrupted version.
I support this call with every fiber in my body.... Let our younger generation which has now secured a chance to flourish in foreign lands like US, UK, etc., come out of the religious fantasy; to copy what Karl Marx said, "Hindus who are NRIs & PIOs unite, you have nothing to lose except the deadweight of religion."
There is lot to be proud of our achievements. Just as we are proud of the achievements of our children, we do not go about telling the world that he failed driving test, or got failing grade in his/her 4th grade math homework.
As I am not familiar with US affairs, no comments.Religion is like the 'American infrastructure' it is the best and has sustained us. It has helped us flourish and reach great heights. Do we 'falling bridges' in religion and from time to great thinkers have come along to repair those 'falling bridges'. Do we have people like 'republicans' to point finger and do nothing of course.
If the whites in America did not support the emancipation of black, African american today would not have the rights.
IMHO, none of the above could bring in any change even among the majority of the people; though they might have been great people in their own right, what best they could do was to create a certain following of their own and spread their views among those followers; Gandhi was also not an exception to the above, but because his congress could succeed in getting Independence from British rule, we mistake him to have changed a whole society. But how many Indians were congress people even at the time of Independence? Nehru and congress got less than 45% of the votes polled in the 1951 general elections, fyi.Kabir, raja ram Mohan roy, Gandhi, Dayanada Saraswati, etc changed the society. Only majority can change a society, minority can only cry.
Gandhi was also not an exception to the above, but because his congress could succeed in getting Independence from British rule, we mistake him to have changed a whole society. But how many Indians were congress people even at the time of Independence? Nehru and congress got less than 45% of the votes polled in the 1951 general elections, fyi.
People cannot win arguments merely by lobbying and making claims. They wud need to provide relevant evidence. On this very forum there are religious hindus making claims without evidence. Ofcourse escapist routes exist; and so one wud expect to make fantastical claims on vedas, vedanta, ancient india, ancient education, etc - and expect to be accepted merely for their word. When it comes to evidence, things could come falling apart...So if the Greek claim they invented zero, and they have better lobby they get the credit. If our lobby becomes bigger and we prove that Zero was known to Indian long before Greek. We win the argument. So it is there word against our word.
Fair arguments, any view to be successful you need followers, If Jesus did not have followers there will be no Christianity. If people do not want to change you can not change them. The suggestions are for the believers. But that is true in any walk of life. But the reverse is also true, if you Keep telling our people that they are stupid, and they had this practice which was bad, or you have the bad habit of wasting time in social,cultural, or religious activity. Then you might get a following. So now we have disillusioned, disgruntled people with no goal and no leader. That will lead to anarchy and people will kill each other.
When a house is crumbling, you need to provide an alternative accommodation before destroying the house. We all are limitation (some may not agree), we all are looking to associate with success. When Bhidra wins his Olympic gold whole India is thrilled. When China wins 50 Gold we don't even know one name. So I would not want to lie and claim credit for something that is not true, but I can claim if there is 50-50 chance that there is no other.
I wanted to claim a name for a my business, I submitted copyright and was given that name. After 5 years due to acquisition a much bigger company with the same name is in my town. I feel that i lost business, and now I have to change my company name. I can definitively claim that I was the first and I have papers to prove it, but it is a legal hastily not worth the trouble.
So if the Greek claim they invented zero, and they have better lobby they get the credit. If our lobby becomes bigger and we prove that Zero was known to Indian long before Greek. We win the argument. So it is there word against our word.
Sangom sir post#20 as usual is well written.
If you do not toot your horn nobody will give you any credit. When Indian companies sell their services in other countries do you think they go and bad mouth Indian workers, and Indian facilities. If they all did exactly what your friends do on this site, we would get the MNC to relocate their research facilities to India. If Indian traditions and Indian are as bad as your group suggests we should not be as successful as we are. Thankfully they all read some other site to praise our achievements. Famous Journalist, politicians, economist, and even casual visitors are in awe of our achievements. I guess to your group it will matter only when a "vallakaran" says it, otherwise you will say you are tooting your horn.
A gradual change from within is better method for the life of people like us.
Look at the industrial revolution, or DotCom revolution etc.
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