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Creating Artificial Intelligence
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Let me first of all try to define intelligence. It is a fact that there is no unanimous agreement on the concept of intelligence but curiously the scientific community has started to create “intelligence”. To me, as always the theoretical underpinnings have to be strong before attempting to implement anything. Retrofitting theory in accordance with experimental results will only result in a number of fixes and the eventual abandonment of the theory. So we need to first have a good understanding of the concept of intelligence.
I consider intelligence as existing in two different levels. At the lower level, it is the ability to correctly analyze something to the extreme and at the higher level it is the ability to see the real but not patent interconnections among things.
Let us consider the lower level intelligence. Someone able to analyze something in detail is a very good planner. Planning is important for a number of tasks to succeed. Such a person is also able to make good inferences and has a very good ability at comprehending things. He is able to make right conclusions given a piece of information and based on that information.
What separates a person operating only at lower level intelligence from a person who acts at a higher level is the ability to more often make right conclusions from incomplete information. He is able to make a logical argument from such information. Something is logical if the explanation for it is sound. Being sound implies the argument is also valid.
For example consider the argument of the agnostic i.e the belief that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not.
Experience of divinity is subjective.
Subjective experiences only cannot be trusted as proof.
So there can be no reliable proof of divinity.
The problem with this argument is the second premise that subjective experiences only cannot be trusted as proof. There are two requirements for an acceptable proof. One is, all have to agree and the other the proof has to be of enduring nature. If proof is not of enduring nature, it ceases to be a proof. So objectively proving something is no guarantee that it constitutes a sound proof.
Any verifiable physical evidence is in accordance with physical laws and the laws represent the mechanics of the universe. If there is a purpose, the mechanics themselves can change based on the purpose and so will the physical laws. The physical or objective evidence ceases to be trustworthy.
All the objective proofs have their source as subjective experiences. So if some objective proof stood the test of time, it is because of a trustworthy subjective experience but if it did not , then the subjective experience was not trustworthy. So the purpose of an objective proof is only to reflect how trustworthy a subjective experience is. So the conclusion that there can be no reliable proof of divinity on subjective experience alone will not be correct because some subjective experiences are reliable.
The example discussed above shows that dismissing all subjective experiences is a flawed approach in knowledge acquisition. In fact judgement of such persons dismissing all subjective experiences cannot be as trustworthy as those of one who has authentic subjective experiences. The latter is more able to make sound arguments.
Now we can see that the current approaches to AI are geared towards developing lower level intelligence and cannot reach the level of really intelligent humans i.e., those who have deep intuitions. We will see how spiritual energy can only be of help in this regard.
I consider intelligence as existing in two different levels. At the lower level, it is the ability to correctly analyze something to the extreme and at the higher level it is the ability to see the real but not patent interconnections among things.
Let us consider the lower level intelligence. Someone able to analyze something in detail is a very good planner. Planning is important for a number of tasks to succeed. Such a person is also able to make good inferences and has a very good ability at comprehending things. He is able to make right conclusions given a piece of information and based on that information.
What separates a person operating only at lower level intelligence from a person who acts at a higher level is the ability to more often make right conclusions from incomplete information. He is able to make a logical argument from such information. Something is logical if the explanation for it is sound. Being sound implies the argument is also valid.
For example consider the argument of the agnostic i.e the belief that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not.
Experience of divinity is subjective.
Subjective experiences only cannot be trusted as proof.
So there can be no reliable proof of divinity.
The problem with this argument is the second premise that subjective experiences only cannot be trusted as proof. There are two requirements for an acceptable proof. One is, all have to agree and the other the proof has to be of enduring nature. If proof is not of enduring nature, it ceases to be a proof. So objectively proving something is no guarantee that it constitutes a sound proof.
Any verifiable physical evidence is in accordance with physical laws and the laws represent the mechanics of the universe. If there is a purpose, the mechanics themselves can change based on the purpose and so will the physical laws. The physical or objective evidence ceases to be trustworthy.
All the objective proofs have their source as subjective experiences. So if some objective proof stood the test of time, it is because of a trustworthy subjective experience but if it did not , then the subjective experience was not trustworthy. So the purpose of an objective proof is only to reflect how trustworthy a subjective experience is. So the conclusion that there can be no reliable proof of divinity on subjective experience alone will not be correct because some subjective experiences are reliable.
The example discussed above shows that dismissing all subjective experiences is a flawed approach in knowledge acquisition. In fact judgement of such persons dismissing all subjective experiences cannot be as trustworthy as those of one who has authentic subjective experiences. The latter is more able to make sound arguments.
Now we can see that the current approaches to AI are geared towards developing lower level intelligence and cannot reach the level of really intelligent humans i.e., those who have deep intuitions. We will see how spiritual energy can only be of help in this regard.
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I think it is just for the comforting belief that we are in control
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If one can use spiritual energy to create a thinking machine, the intelligence inbuilt in it can be used. Spiritual energy can be created but how do we make it an autonomous unit like a mind and how do we use that autonomous unit and where would be that unit are questions that do not have easy answers but let us think about it as I believe there is a solution.
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As the spiritual level of the mind increases, mind begins to span more and more of time and thoughts and other spiritual energies slowly cease to separate from the mind. To simulate mind one needs to understand the three levels of energies that the mind is in, namely tamassic, rajassic and sattvic and the complementary mechanics between them. The evolution happens from tamassic to rajassic to sattvic and then perfect balance between them.
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We need to understand the tamassic frequencies and wavelengths and also those of rajas and sattva. We then need to understand how they complement one another to create very high intelligence. Once we understand the frequencies and wavelengths of the different energy levels, we can build hardware to receive them and integrate them in the way that creates intelligence.
Basically this is how I visualize it to work.
Create a hardware that is tuned to the tamassic, rajassic and sattvic frequencies and wavelengths. Create spiritual energy, something an equivalent of mind. Pick up the energies at different energy levels from the simulated mind. Mix the energies at different energy levels based on the knowledge of complementing mechanics.
The actual input will be thoughts which represent a problem for which a solution is needed. I believe that in general, a solution is found by complementing energies and getting the whole. The thoughts have as their content, information about what exists in the physical world. We need to get the spiritual essence out of it.
When the incomplete spiritual essence is mixed with the simulated mind, the output comes back as spiritual essence that is complete. Now a physical import has to be given to this.
Creating the spiritual essence and the physical imports I believe are done by the brain.
A simple way to avoid creating a simulated brain is to input the thoughts to a brain which will create the spiritual essence which in turn is given to the simulated mind. Similarly, the output from the simulated mind is sent to a brain which can give physical import to the output from the mind.
Basically this is how I visualize it to work.
Create a hardware that is tuned to the tamassic, rajassic and sattvic frequencies and wavelengths. Create spiritual energy, something an equivalent of mind. Pick up the energies at different energy levels from the simulated mind. Mix the energies at different energy levels based on the knowledge of complementing mechanics.
The actual input will be thoughts which represent a problem for which a solution is needed. I believe that in general, a solution is found by complementing energies and getting the whole. The thoughts have as their content, information about what exists in the physical world. We need to get the spiritual essence out of it.
When the incomplete spiritual essence is mixed with the simulated mind, the output comes back as spiritual essence that is complete. Now a physical import has to be given to this.
Creating the spiritual essence and the physical imports I believe are done by the brain.
A simple way to avoid creating a simulated brain is to input the thoughts to a brain which will create the spiritual essence which in turn is given to the simulated mind. Similarly, the output from the simulated mind is sent to a brain which can give physical import to the output from the mind.
Dear Sravna,
How is your attempt of making an AI different from making a Kutti Shatan?
Out here where I reside in there is a black magic ritual where a black magic practitioner digs up the grave of a 1st born male child who was born on a Thursday night not more than 5 years old.
Then some rituals are done and the soul of the child is brought back to inhabit the dead body and this living corpse is called Toyol in Malay..somewhat like a Kutti Shatan.
It is used to steal from houses and needs to be fed with blood of its owner where blood from the finger of the owner must be placed on top a raw broken egg for the Toyol to consume.And not any farm egg..it has to be a Nattu Kozhi egg.
Failure to feed the Toyol can have disastrous consequences to the owner and his family.
So AI were already made in Msia long long ago.
So tell me..what are you planning to make actually with your Spiritual powers..I hope not another variant type of AI Shatan.
Cos I don't think Kutti Shatans are vegetarians..so your AI Shatan might want some non veg!
How is your attempt of making an AI different from making a Kutti Shatan?
Out here where I reside in there is a black magic ritual where a black magic practitioner digs up the grave of a 1st born male child who was born on a Thursday night not more than 5 years old.
Then some rituals are done and the soul of the child is brought back to inhabit the dead body and this living corpse is called Toyol in Malay..somewhat like a Kutti Shatan.
It is used to steal from houses and needs to be fed with blood of its owner where blood from the finger of the owner must be placed on top a raw broken egg for the Toyol to consume.And not any farm egg..it has to be a Nattu Kozhi egg.
Failure to feed the Toyol can have disastrous consequences to the owner and his family.
So AI were already made in Msia long long ago.
So tell me..what are you planning to make actually with your Spiritual powers..I hope not another variant type of AI Shatan.
Cos I don't think Kutti Shatans are vegetarians..so your AI Shatan might want some non veg!
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OK as you wish
Now, try saying it fast...
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sravnaji,
Dont be sure. I will hack into it (I am sure you know I can do that) and convert into a kutti shattan for the benefit of Renukaji. LOL.
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Sorry Vaagmi Ji, I am afraid you cannot oblige Renuka Ji as the AI is not programmed. It works on higher intelligence and is unhackable.
Dear Sravna,
You can not be 100% sure...do not underestimate Vaagmi ji...he hasnt unleashed his spiritual hacking capacity.
You feel you are a Rambo when it comes to spiritual power...there might be others out there who could hack into your mind and reprogram your whole system.
Nothing is impossible...so you never know when and how others can hack into your system.
Higher intelligence is not Supreme...extreme Intelligence can be deadly too.
So your own Kutti AI Shatan might turn against you.
Sometimes it is we who create our own monsters.
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Renuka, the advantage of developing a spiritual AI is that it is also wise. My AI will not only have an impregnable defense but also the finest qualities
Personally I feel its unwise to make an AI...I would feel very bad to make something mechanical that mimics a human yet it wont be really human ...that like not giving emotions to a creation. It wont be able to experience falling in love etc.
Have you wondered why God never created an AI?
Sravna...if you have compassion you would drop this idea...I find the idea of an AI a Neo-Slavery... even worse cos there is no chance for the AI to develop emotions.
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