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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Some kind of help to resolve the seeming conflicts found in various Puranas...[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mahaperieva is of opinion that at different time different Gods ascends or descends, so it is perfectly possible Lord Vishnu dominates Lord Shiva some time and vice versa the other time. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Vishnu Puranam talks about the glory of Vishnu's ascension and Shiva MahaPuranam vice versa..[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Courtesy “The Vedas” - Mahaperieva.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This sloka is given for readers to ponder....[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"Shivasya Hrdayam Vishnuhu:, Vishnusya Hrdayam Shivaha” - [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]There is a temple in the village Shurrutaipalli – Tanjore where one can have this form of Darshan of God.[/FONT]
 
Dear MMji,

Why is it so important for you to object to anyone giving personal experiences? I do not understand that part. I really appreciate Appaiahji or anyone giving their personal experiences which I consider as 'Sivaanubhavam'.
 
Vedic Roots of Early Tamil Culture
by Michel Danino


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Summarized versions of this paper were presented at the Naimisha Vedic Workshop, “Looking beyond the Aryan Invasion,” organized by Naimisha Foundation at Bangalore on March 12-13, 2001, and at the National Seminar on Origins of United Vedic Culture organized by Pragna Bharati and sponsored by the Indian Council of Historical Research at Hyderabad on March 17-18, 2001.

Read this very interesting article at
http://micheldanino.voiceofdharma.com/tamilculture.html
 
Dear Pannvalan,

Just want to share with you that my enquiries reveal that the story of Bharathi's daughter's wedding in the movie that I narrated is basically correct. Bharathi did respect the members of his family and their traditions and never did anything to upset them.

Regards,
 
Dear Sri Ramaa!

Did I objected anything ? Sri Apaaiah referred this twice, so I just wanted to know why ? May be there could be a more significance behind this..

Anyway I got his message that there is archeological support for Lord Shiva worship in Tamil country from ancient times.

Regards,

Dear MMji,

Why is it so important for you to object to anyone giving personal experiences? I do not understand that part. I really appreciate Appaiahji or anyone giving their personal experiences which I consider as 'Sivaanubhavam'.
 
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Continuing with the number of characters in Puranas..

It is said all the major 18 Puranas contain - 4,00,000 Granthas (Grantha here meaning a sloka with 32 syllabels ). Of which the Skanda Puranam alone has 1,00,000 Granthas.
 
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Few words on Sage Vyasa...

During the end of Dwapara Yuga . There were about 1180 Vedic Shakhas at that time. Most rescensions are in Sama Veda. In that time people used to memorise all the 1180 shakhas.

Lord clearly saw the weakening Intellectual and Physical powers of humans in the coming Kali Yuga. So he descended in two forms - one as Lord Krishna for "Dhushta Samharam" and another one as Krishna Dvaipayana - (Dvaipayana - since he was born in an island (dweepa) ) as a son of Sage Parashara to save the Vedas atleast to the extent possible.

It was the Lord in the form of Sage Krishna Dvaipayana , we call as Veda Vyasa.

His works were - Compiling the Vedas and 18 Major Puranas, Lord also narrated Mahabharata containing 1,00,000 slokas. Since he is an avatar , he can write in many styles.

(Even now some journalist play multi-role as reporter, story teller, editor, columnist etc.. exhibhiting different styles of writing.)

His Father Sage Parashara was the author of Vishnu Purana. His son "Suga Bramham" authored Srimad Bhagavata.

All these are in the small book "The Vedas" by Mahaperiava...

Regarding Sage Suga Bramham what I heard from my Father in Law.

The "Potent" of Sage Vyasa was accidently consumed by a Parrot thus giving birth to "Sage Suga Bramham" .

Regards,
 
Some more on Gudimallam. My post had said that it was 2500 years old. the Archeologists estimate is that it is of 2nd or 3rd century BCE.

There is a very interesting phenomenon in this temple. Once in every sixty years, water gushes in the sanctum sanctorum and performs an abhishegam on the Murti and subsides. Last time it happened on 4 December 2005. Please see the following article:

Source:

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146413274

The most ancient Shiva lingam known to mankind is standing at the crossroads. Sri Parasurameshwara temple, located in Gudimallam, a hamlet 13 km from Renigunta junction in Chittoor district in southern Andhra Pradesh, has a 2,200-year old history as the longest continuously worshipped Shiva temple in the world. Its fascinating past and equally gripping present have culminated in a classic confrontation between modern values and ancient traditions.

Dating back to the third and second century BC, it is a simple structure consisting of a single semicircular chamber below ground level. Walking down the few steps into the garbha griha brings one face to face with a 1.35-metre, seven-sided monolithic lingam. The front plane has the figure of Parasurama standing on the crouching figure of a Yaksha. It rests on a base of seven concentric rings, or peethams, only two of which are visible above the surface.

The main lingam and peetham, which were once out in the open under a tree, are dated 3rd century BC, while successive rulers of Pallavas, Banas, Cholas and Rayas made later additions to the temple. The semicircular shrine is a clear feature of the influx of Buddhist architecture into Hindu ones, as was common in the period. The low railing surrounding the idol has floral patterns typical of Buddhist and Jain architecture. Inscriptions on the temple walls in ancient Tamil describe the royal donations made to the temple, besides the various modifications made by rulers.

The lingam is believed to be a manifestation of the Trinity, with Brahma at the bottom, Vishnu in the middle and Shiva on top. A riveting legend is associated with how this came to be.

A Puranic tale tells of Parasurama having beheaded his mother at the behest of his father. The sage was advised by rishis to locate the temple and to worship the lingam as a penance. After much searching, Parasurama found the temple in the middle of the forest, dug a pond nearby and began his purgation.

A single divine flower used to grow miraculously in the pond each day, which the sage offered to Shiva as worship. He appointed a yaksha, Chitrasena, to guard the flower from wild beasts. Parasurama used to bring one hunted creature and toddy everyday for the yaksha.

One day, Chitrasena, a devotee of Brahma, felt tempted to worship Shiva himself. An enraged Parasurama attacked Chitrasena when he found the flower missing.

The battle lasted for 14 years, and was so fierce that a pallam, or pit, was created at the site. ’Gudipallam’, or ‘temple in the pit’, became Gudimallam over time. Unable to choose the victor, Shiva is finally said to have merged both into Himself, and the figures still etched show the hunted beast and toddy pot in Parasurama’s hand. Brahma as Chitrasena, Vishnu as Parasurama and Shiva as the lingam form this unique, unparalleled icon.

There are smaller shrines in the courtyard, mainly for Goddess Parvati, the six-faced Kartikeya and Suryanarayana, all monoliths and over 1.25 metre tall. The sun god is shown standing erect with a flower in each hand, one of the earliest known depictions, comparable to the temples at Konark and Arasavalli in Srikakulam district.

A mysterious event associated with the temple is that of the main chamber getting flooded every sixty years. A small underground tank and a duct connecting the tank to the Shiva lingam can be seen even today. These remain stone dry except during the 60 year phenomenon when water suddenly gushes through with such force that it rises over the column of the lingam, flows over the top and subsides as suddenly. The last time this happened was on December 4, 2005. Monument attendant P. Seenappa, who has recorded the incident in the temple register, says that the episode lasted just a few minutes. The water then fell and remained at six inches for four hours, after which it disappeared as though it was never there. Oldsters remember it happening earlier. Ramanaiah, a 75-year old villager said that he saw a similar phenomenon in 1945, except that the entire chamber had got flooded then.

Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) conservation assistant Krishna Chaitanya says that the water table in the area is at a depth of 300-350 feet, so there is no tangible explanation for the phenomenon. Devotees believe that the water comes all the way from Kashi to do abhishekam to the lingam.

There is yet another remarkable feature of the temple. The rising sun’s rays pass through the grills carved on the stone walls twice a year during the solstices (uttarayana and dakshinayana) and fall directly on the forehead of the main Shiva lingam.

The modern chapter in the temple’s history begins with the ASI taking it over in 1954. The former director of the ASI, Dr I.K Sarma, made important discoveries while excavating the region, and calls it the earliest extant Shiva lingam in India.

He unearthed a two feet of the structure in 1994, and asserts that the iconographic features of the central engraved figure indicate it to be that of Agnirudra Shiva, and not Parasurama. Dr Sarma says that no rituals such as abhishekams are permitted in the ASI protected monument, considering its age and importance. The villagers of Gudimallam are distressed at the 2,200-year old tradition being interrupted, and believe it to be the cause of a sudden downturn in the village’s prosperity.

The conflict between simple practicality and religious sentiments came to a head with a tragic incident in 1995. Villagers speak of a mother who, wanting to celebrate her son’s birthday, went to the temple with the child and three of his friends. ASI workers had been cleaning the temple walls, and had left for a break leaving the inflammable cleaning chemicals in the sanctum sanctorum. Seeing the place empty, the woman lit camphor. The fumes exploded causing the instant death of the woman and the four children.

The ASI, which has no record of the episode, has forbidden all forms of worship since. Temple endowment board chairman Narsimhalu Yadav says that the once prosperous village is now dying and believes the interruption of ritual worship and the falling down of the dhwajasthambam 30 years ago to be the reasons behind it.

Science and tradition are at cross-purposes, with no likelihood of a true winner emerging.
 
After reading all the responses on the subject, I wish to say a few more words.

1. I request our friends to read the book on 'History of Sanskrit Literature' written by
'Kailasanatha Gurukkal' of Jaffna University.
2. The language 'Sanskrit' was confined to the elites - brahmins and kings - and the
language 'Prakrit' was the language of the masses, who were denied access to
'Sanskrit'.
3. I find many unrelated anecdotes and references given by some of us.
4. The phrase 'Thennaadudaiya Sivane Potri' clearly confirms the worship of Lord Shiva
in South India, for thousands of years.
5. If anyone wants to visit Gudimallam temple, please take a torchlight with you,
because when we went some 12 years ago, we had to borrow the matchbox of
the temple watchman. But, to tell you honestly, I went with great expectations to
this temple and was disappointed on seeing its size, structure, (present) condition.
There was no priest available and we were told, he would come only in the morning
everyday. No formal pujas are conducted, as witnessed in other Shiva temples.
 
A pioneer in Tamil writing

Tue, 09 Sep, 2008,02:52 PM
http://newstodaynet.com/newsindex.php?id=10552 & section=7

The 95th birth anniversary of Devan, one of the pioneers of modern Tamil writing was celebrated at Sivagami Pethachi Auditorium, Alwarpet here on Monday.

Speaking on the occasion, noted Tamil writer Ashoka Mitran said, ‘Devan started his writings in 1935 and many of them appeared in Ananda Vikatan.

I still remember that in the beginning he used to write under the name ‘Mahadevan, BA’. Unlike other writers Devan produced volumes of writings and each of his literary pieces are impeccable. He was an accomplished writer.

Kalki Krishnamurthy was a real inspiration for Devan and it is Kakli who recognised the real Devan.’

‘Devan’s novel Sriman Sudarsanam was an outstanding work and it was a good reading for many in those days,’ Ashoka Mitran said.

Devan’s five books Mr Vedaantham, Lakshmi Kadaasham, CID Chandru, Justice Jaganathan, Kalyani were released on the occasion.

Later, a play named Paarvathiyin Sangalppam based on Devan’s work was staged.
 
Tributes pour in for violin maestro

Tue, 09 Sep, 2008,04:01 PM​
. Political leaders and prominent Carnatic musicians paid homage to violin maestro Kunnakudi Vaidyanathan, who passed away in Chennai last night following a cardiac arrest.

The violinist who was not keeping good health for some time was admitted to a private hospital in Porur where he breathed his last.

. The mortal remains of the noted violinist was taken to his residence at Greenways Road, Mandaveli, where it was kept to enable the public pay homage.

Noted musicians including Sudha Raghunathan, Ganesh-Kumaresh, industrialist Nalli Kuppusamy Chetty, former director of Doordarshan Kendra - Chennai A Natarajan, DPI general secretary Thol Thirumavalavan and scores of musicians paid tribute. Union Minister G K Vasan and former Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa among others condoled the demise of Vaidyanathan.

The final rites would be performed tomorrow.
 
Sri Tanjore Culture,

Its nice to see that you finally hit the nail on its head.Economic progress and the direct power to administer in the hands of Brahmins led other traditional mirazdars to revolt.Kinda neatly put,i must say.Thanks,

sb
 
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