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An untouchable joins Sringeri matham

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vsubbu48

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I post below a news item that appeared in the website tamilhindu.com. Surprisingly this has not been reported in any newspapers.
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லப்புழா: ஆசார்ய நரேந்திர பூஷன் அவர்களது சீடரும், இந்து ஆன்மீக சாதகருமான சிவானந்த சர்மா அவர்கள், கர்நாடகத்தில் உள்ள பாரம்பரியம் மிக்க சிருங்கேரி மடத்தின் ஆசிரமத்தில் இணைந்துள்ளார். அங்கு அவர் தனது வேத, வேதாந்தக் கல்வியைத் தொடர்வார்; துறவு நெறியில் செல்வார்.
பறையர் சமூகத்தைச் சேர்ந்த சிவானந்த சர்மா அவர்கள், திரு. பி.ஆர்.குஞ்சன் மற்றும் திருமதி தங்கம்மா தம்பதியரின் இளைய மகன் ஆவார். சிறு வயது முதலே ஆன்மிக நாட்டம் கொண்டிருந்த அவர், ஆசார்ய நரேந்திர பூஷன் அவர்களின் வழிகாட்டுதலில் வேத சாஸ்திரங்களையும் இந்து ஞான நூல்களையும் பயின்று வந்தார்.
இதுவரை பிராமணர்களைத் தவிர மற்ற சாதியினரை மடத்தின் பாடசாலைகளிலும், ஆசிரமத்திலும் பயில சிருங்கேரி மடம் அனுமதித்ததில்லை. அத்தகைய இறுக்கமான பழமைவாத நிலைப்பாட்டைத் துறந்து, உண்மையான இந்து நெறிகளின் அடிச்சுவட்டில் ஞானத் தேடலை அங்கீகரிக்கும் விதத்தில் அந்த சம்பிரதாய மடத்தின் இச்செயல்பாடு அமைந்துள்ளது. இதற்காக சிருங்கேரி மடத்திற்கு தமிழ்ஹிந்து தனது வாழ்த்துக்களையும், பாராட்டுக்களையும் தெரிவித்துக் கொள்கிறது.
இதனுடன் நின்று விடாமல், மேன்மேலும் இச்செயல்பாடு வளர வேண்டும். பெருக வேண்டும். ஒரு பாரம்பரிய மடத்தின் இந்தச் செயல்பாடு மற்ற மடங்களுக்கும் முன்னுதாரணமாக ஆக வேண்டும்.
நன்றி: ஹைந்தவ கேரளம் செய்தி.

English version from the website hindavakeralam.com:
[SIZE=+1]Swamy Sivananda Sharma's Sringeri Math Enrolment - A Historical event [/SIZE]
21/11/2011 12:24:59 HK


Alapuzha: History is created again from Kerala When the disciple of Acharya Narendra Bhushan Sivananda Sharma get enrolment in Sringeri Sri Sankara Ashram in Karnataka.Sivananda Sharma’s enrolment is so special because he belonged to Paraya Community one of the Scheduled Caste.

Sivananda Sharma is the youngest son of Shri P R Kunchan and Smt. Thankamma . He was attracted to spiritual world when he was doing his Pre-Degree education and took upanayanam under the guidance of Acharya Narendra Bhushan.




 

sangom

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It is a welcome development. Acharya Narendra Bhushan himself was a colossus in the field of Hinduism, its scriptures and all, but a NB.
 

kunjuppu

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it is a good, but long overdue start.

more of it is needed to make any real impact in building an inclusive hinduism.

otherwise all this is token stuff, and like nandanar, will be quoted out of context and relevance, by traditionalists, as a proof their 'fairness'.
 
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B.Krishnamurthy

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I also welcome this trend.It is really good for the future of Hinduism.Everyone who is sincere in learning Vedas should be given opportunity to learn irrespective of their background.As Shri.Kunjuppu has stated,this should not be an isolated case.More interested sincere candidates should be encouraged.
I request Shri.Sangom to throw more light on the learned Scholar Shri.Narendra Bhusan.
 

Nara

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..... இதற்காக சிருங்கேரி மடத்திற்கு தமிழ்ஹிந்து தனது வாழ்த்துக்களையும், பாராட்டுக்களையும் தெரிவித்துக் கொள்கிறது.

இதனுடன் நின்று விடாமல், மேன்மேலும் இச்செயல்பாடு வளர வேண்டும். பெருக வேண்டும். ஒரு பாரம்பரிய மடத்தின் இந்தச் செயல்பாடு மற்ற மடங்களுக்கும் முன்னுதாரணமாக ஆக வேண்டும்.
This is a commendable event. Hope this is well publicized and it serves as a catalyst for broader and deeper changes across the board in all Brahminical Mathams, they have a solemn responsibility to lead the nation and make amends.

Cheers!
 

happyhindu

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Dear Shri VSubbu48,

Thankyou very much for this post. Thrilled to read about the developments. My koti pranams to all the acharyas in Sringeri Mutt. This is indeed a historic development.

In this material world we can expect only a tiny minscule number of people interested in spiritualism. But if any of them come forward to brahmanical mutts, hope they are never turned down on the basis of caste/varna.

Thanks again for this news sir. Absolutely delighted.

Best wishes.
 

Brahmanyan

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Gratifying to read that an orthodox Sringeri Mutt has openedup the Padasala to a Dalit brahmachari. It is always my view that given an opportunity and encouragement child born in any caste or community will learn and acquire vedic knowledge, just as any other born in so called forward castes. . Arya Samaj, RK Mutt, Chinmaya Mission, SNDP Yogam and ISKCON are teaching Vedic Scriptures to all community since long.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 

kunjuppu

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We have the "Nandanar" already to cite an example in our puranas.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

cite what? a hypocritic citation to deny our prejudice and abject treatment of the parayans?

this is precisely what the inclusion of one dalit to the mutt will end up. some wise guy will cite this inclusion as an example of brahmin enlightenment (sic).

wake up nannilam and examine your conscience, before boasting our puranas liberated the dalits. the story nandanar is an insult to anyone who has an ounce of self respect. when i heard it the first time, i bowed myself in shame, ...
 

sarang

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Swamy Sivananda Sharma's Sringeri Math Enrolment - A Historical event
21/11/2011 12:24:59 HK

All will depend on what swamy sivananda sharma does to uplift, spiritually elevate his native parayar community. He must bring more shishyas from his community to sringeri muth. Or he must set up his own ashram for the spiritual welfare of his parayar community and restore their self respect and aspirations. The growth and sustenance of any sanatana dharmic community is the main duty of gurus and acharyas; they all believe in - follow yours, respect others.
 

happyhindu

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Swamy Sivananda Sharma's Sringeri Math Enrolment - A Historical event
21/11/2011 12:24:59 HK

All will depend on what swamy sivananda sharma does to uplift, spiritually elevate his native parayar community. He must bring more shishyas from his community to sringeri muth. Or he must set up his own ashram for the spiritual welfare of his parayar community and restore their self respect and aspirations. The growth and sustenance of any sanatana dharmic community is the main duty of gurus and acharyas; they all believe in - follow yours, respect others.


Everyone who still keeps calling this noble man a paraya (merely to keep casteism alive), please do some introspection and feel some sense of social responsibility, if not some amount of shame atleast.

Why should this one person who himself has newly joined Shringeri Mutt set up his own ashram or do any such thing...Once a person has joined a mutt he longer remains a paraya. It is the solemn duty of the Shringeri acharyas to identify, and allow anyone in spiritualism, irrespective of caste, to join the mutt.

I hope everyone (including the progressive section of Shringeri Acharyas) remains wary, of those who try cunning tactics to continue birth-based hegemony...am sure such people still abound, though the vox populi representatives here are few.
 

sarang

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Below is a list of parayars who have excelled in achievements. Today's parayars should shed their complexes deliberately thrust on them by the politicians and recover their past glory.

List of Paraiyars
Historical personalities
§ Thiruvalluvar, Tamil poet.[SUP][5][25][26][/SUP]
§ Auvaiyar,Tamil poetess.[SUP][5][26][27][/SUP]
§ Nandanar (நந்தனார் or "திருநாளைப் போவார் நாயனார்", "Thirunalai Povar Nayanar"), Tamil Saivite saint, One of the 63 Nayanmar[SUP][14][31][/SUP]
Social reformers and activists
Dr.Vadivel Subbiah MBBS(Late) Rajavallipuram, Tirunelveli,fight aqgainst atrocitics
§ Iyothee Thass Pandithar (1845–1914), founded the Sakya Buddhist Society (also known as Indian Buddhist Association)
§ Rettamalai Srinivasan (1860–1945), a Dalit activist, politician from the Indian state of Tamil Nadu.
§ M. C. Rajah (1883–1943), a Dalit politician, social and political activist from the Indian state of Tamil Nadu
§ J. Shivashanmugam Pillai (1901–1975), first Dalit mayor of Madras and first speaker of Madras Legislative Assembly since India's independence.
§ N. Sivaraj (1892–1964), Indian lawyer and politician. Served as Mayor of Madras and Member of Lok Sabha.
§ Vyran T.Raj, founder & leader, Nammavar Movement Malaysia.
Politicians
Mr. S SIDDHARTHAN SUBBIAH (LATE) Rajavallipuram, Tirunelveli, Dalit Panthar (Bombay)
§ V. I. Munuswamy , Politician of the Indian National Congress. Minister of Agriculture and Rural Development in the C. Rajagopalachari ministry (1937–39).
§ P. Kakkan, Former Minister of Public Works, Agriculture & for Home Affairs, Madras State.
§ Margatham Chandrasekar, Indian National Congress,Member of Parliament from Tiruvallurand later, Sriperumbudur, Former Union Deputy Minister for Health (1951–1957), Home Affairs (1962–1964), Social Welfare (1964–1967) and former General Secretary of All India Congress Committee(1972).
§ M. G. Pandithan, Founder & President of "Indian Progressive Front", former "Malaysian Indian Congress" vice-president, Member of Parliament for Tapah, Parliamentary secretary to the Trade and Industry Ministry, Malaysia.
§ Thirumavalavan, Member of the Parliament and the President of the Viduthalai Chiruthaigalpolitical party,[SUP][32][33][34][/SUP] .
§ A. Raja, Former Minister, Ministry of Communications and Information Technology, India.
§ Parithi Ilamvazhuthi, Minister for Information, Tamil Nadu.
Dalit Ezhilmalai, former Union Minister of State, Health and Family Welfare (Independent Charge), India
c
ontd ...
 

sarang

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List of Paraiyars

Entertainers

§ Gangai Amaran, Director, Lyricist & Producer, Tamil Films
§ Selvaraghavan, Director , Tamil Films
§ Venkat Prabhu, Director , Tamil Films
§ Dhanush, Actor
§ Jai, Actor
§ Premji Amaran, Supporting actor
§ Livingston, Actor
§ Lawrence Raghavendra, Dance Choreographer, actor and director
§ Mahendran, Director
§ Myshkin, Director
Music
§ Ilaiyaraja— Veteran Tamil Musician/Composer/Arranger
§ Yuvan Shankar Raja— Prominent South Indian Music Director and son of Ilaiyaraaja
§ Sivamani— Percussionist(recognised by Zildjian)
§ Karthik Raja— notable musician,son of Ilaiyaraaja
§ Deva— Affluent music composer in Kollywood
§ Srikanth Deva—music composer, son of Deva
§ Sabesh Murali— successful musical duo in Kollywood music
§ Bhavatharini— famous singer and daughter of Ilaiyaraaja
Scholars
§ Christie Jayaratnam Eliezer, a well-known Sri Lankan mathematician, who worked under Paul Dirac. He is widely accredited for one of his collaborations better known as theory of Eliezer-Dirac.
Literature
§ Meena Kandasamy, Chennai based English writer, poet, orator, social activist.
See also
'Schools' South Indian Adidravidar Mahajana Sangam School
§ Adidravidar Mahajana Sangam, Palayamkottai, Tirunelveli
South Indian Adidravidar Mahajana Sangam, Dharavi, Mumbai
Indian caste system

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sarang

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[SIZE=+1]Swamy sivananda sharma is or soon will be a qualified acharya, and will have the adhikara to initiate new disciples, do upanayanam and teach vedas for the students who come to him. In a short time he can mobilise a veda chanting spiritual aastika community well versed in tamil and samskrit scriptures and religious literature. Any objection from the brahmin community will be nil or very muted and definitely will not be an obstruction. It is for them to decide whether to be called as paraiyars or by any other name and title given by their acharya.


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Swamy Sivananda Sharma's Sringeri Math Enrolment - A Historical event [/SIZE]

21/11/2011 12:24:59 HK


Alapuzha: History is created again from Kerala When the disciple of Acharya Narendra Bhushan Sivananda Sharma get enrolment in Sringeri Sri Sankara Ashram in Karnataka.Sivananda Sharma’s enrolment is so special because he belonged to Paraya Community one of the Scheduled Caste.

Sivananda Sharma is the youngest son of Shri P R Kunchan and Smt. Thankamma . He was attracted to spiritual world when he was doing his Pre-Degree [FONT=inherit !important][FONT=inherit !important]education[/FONT][/FONT] and took upanayanam under the guidance of Acharya Narendra Bhushan.
 

sangom

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Swamy sivananda sharma is or soon will be a qualified acharya, and will have the adhikara to initiate new disciples, do upanayanam and teach vedas for the students who come to him. In a short time he can mobilise a veda chanting spiritual aastika community well versed in tamil and samskrit scriptures and religious literature. Any objection from the brahmin community will be nil or very muted and definitely will not be an obstruction. It is for them to decide whether to be called as paraiyars or by any other name and title given by their acharya.



Swamy Sivananda Sharma's Sringeri Math Enrolment - A Historical event

21/11/2011 12:24:59 HK


Alapuzha: History is created again from Kerala When the disciple of Acharya Narendra Bhushan Sivananda Sharma get enrolment in Sringeri Sri Sankara Ashram in Karnataka.Sivananda Sharma’s enrolment is so special because he belonged to Paraya Community one of the Scheduled Caste.

Sivananda Sharma is the youngest son of Shri P R Kunchan and Smt. Thankamma . He was attracted to spiritual world when he was doing his Pre-Degree [FONT=inherit ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]education[/FONT][/FONT] and took upanayanam under the guidance of Acharya Narendra Bhushan.

Shri Sarang,

It is not clear as to what you want to convey by saying "
It is for them to decide whether to be called as paraiyars or by any other name and title given by their acharya." Do you mean to say that the disciples initiated by the swami will also be looked down upon as equal to paraiyar? I have been under the impression all along that Lava & Kusa (sons of Seeta in Utaara Ramayana) are not considered as hunter community but kshatriyas because of their supposed paternity, is this right, then?

 

guruvayurappan

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very much delighted that a aspiring &really interested in vedas got admission to great institution even though he is from a section normallynot entertained for even entering temples
 

sarang

Well-known member
Not correct sir. In the temple near you, in srirangam, you see the board - only hindus allowed beyond this gate; no restrictions on any particular castes. This is the case with all major temples both under the government or under private management.

very much delighted that a aspiring &really interested in vedas got admission to great institution even though he is from a section normallynot entertained for even entering temples
 

guruvayurappan

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dear sarang sir !
it is correct in respect of famous temples and big temples and not for temple in village side.no body is restricting their entry and on their own they not entering since their id is known. in srirangam even non hindu are entering since their appearance is not non-hindu. people wearing lungis and ladies not having tilak on their forehead are not allowed.
 

saarangam

Active member
This news item is very interesting.The name Swami Sivananda Sarma is a bit confusing.If he has already been initiated to Sanyasa, the Sarma tag is not necessary.If he is not a Sanyasi the Swami tag seems out of place.AFAIK, Sringeri Matham, Kanchi Matham etc. the PeeThadhipathi selects his successor and initiates him to Sanyasa.It seems Sivananda Sarma has joined the Matham to continue his scholarly pursuits and not as a Sanyasi.Anyhow this is a very laudable gesture from the Sringeri Matham.Why such an historical event has not appeared in other media is intriguing.
 

kunjuppu

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dear sarang sir !
it is correct in respect of famous temples and big temples and not for temple in village side.no body is restricting their entry and on their own they not entering since their id is known. in srirangam even non hindu are entering since their appearance is not non-hindu. people wearing lungis and ladies not having tilak on their forehead are not allowed.

appan,

are you aware of anyone inviting dalit groups to visit the matham on regular basis, and further more encourage their children to veda patasalas? after all, it has been the practice to exclude them all along, and now if we have a change of heart, and do the right thing, it may be proper to publicise it. no?

the dalits may be suspcious of our intentions, and would it not be good to allay their fears, and convince them of our sincerety. mere opening the doors, and pronouncing that 'doors are open to all', i think, will not do anything to change the status quo. a little more active PR efforts might also be needed. i think so. atleast if we mean what we say, that dalits are our equals, and they have the right to partake of all our festivals and knowledges, as equals.
 

nannilam_balasubramanian

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An interesting input. In India, law enables a man to live as per his religion. In a
democracy, everyone has a right to live as he/she pleases. Further, in the Constitution,
there is a provision to abolish Untouchable concept. Therefore, I do not know whether
we can discuss this loudly. Really, it is a laudable gesture.
 

happyhindu

Well-known member
An interesting input. In India, law enables a man to live as per his religion. In a
democracy, everyone has a right to live as he/she pleases. Further, in the Constitution,
there is a provision to abolish Untouchable concept. Therefore, I do not know whether
we can discuss this loudly. Really, it is a laudable gesture.
Its all about changing times sir. Especially about changing occupations. The children of former 'low' castes, are in various rungs of 'low', 'middle' as well as 'high' secular jobs. They are no longer confined to 'low' only. That's secularism.
 

sundachu

New member
The news is not surprising to me as Adi Sankara and Sri Ramanujar initiated persons of low born into them in their attempt to sageguard Hinduism lest it should fall on evil days paving way for conversion of the low born into other religions.Sankara converted many low born into brahmins numbering about 8000 who are still known as Ashatsaharasam in Iyer sect. Ramanujam did so and such converts are also known as Mandyam iyengars.In Andra, such sect is kinown as 6000 or Neogi.
sundararajan.
 

Nara

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.....Sankara converted many low born into brahmins numbering about 8000 who are still known as Ashatsaharasam in Iyer sect. Ramanujam did so and such converts are also known as Mandyam iyengars.In Andra, such sect is kinown as 6000 or Neogi..
sundararajan, I don't know whether Adi Sankara converted anyone to Brahmin jAti, I doubt it, but I am quite sure there is no evidence that Ramanuja converted people you refer to as "low born" to Brahmins. If you think I am wrong I request you to furnish some proof for this claim about Ramanuja.

Cheers!
 
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