An invasion of falsehoods

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An invasion of falsehoods: India’s ‘liberals’ running propaganda war over new citizenship law

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[கால பைரவன்]

The fiberals refuse to learn. One would have thought they would know by now that they can't get anywhere by mere lies and propaganda. The social media can't be controlled like the main stream media and people are bound to get the truth in one way or the other.

 

[Jaykay767]

Let's see who are all the bad elements, and misguided as per our great govt and their fake propagandists. LOL

1. Indian youth are totally misguided and deliberately stoked by liberals and secularists, etc.. There is nothing called NRC or detention centres, etc...all bogus.
2. All liberal and secularists are all anti national and urban Nacala.
3. Foreign liberal media are totally paid media, they are anti india, and Hindu phobia.
4. Indian liberal media (ever so shrinking, I cannot find any other than the Hindu now) are all paid media.
5. Foreign university students protesting against india are all paid to stage protests. I mean, they can all come from our own extended NRI families, but RMEMBER they are all paid.. LOL
6. US congress and senators are misguided by Indian liberal lobbies.
7. China is anti india, i mean, they have to be except when we do a bonhomie in meets like Mahabalipuram.
8. Similarly many countries are anti india, anti govt, they have deep agenda.

Basically all are against our super duper govt and trying to deliberately derail their agenda, which is b the way doing yeoman service to mankind and uplifting our economy and poor people to heaven immediately !!

LOL

 

[renuka]

The problem is with all the Muslim lynching and anti muslim sentiments around India has made the Muslims fear their future hence they are reacting without actually realizing that the Act isnt about discrimination.

But its just that Modi refused to control his Sakuni Minions running around loose hence even though Modi is now reassuring everyone that the Act is not marginalizing anyone..yet no one believes him.

That is why Religion and Politics should not mix.
Any country that goes over drive into religion and politics only courts doom..we have seen how religion based politics ruined Libya and Syria.

 

[renuka]

A very sane opinion..worth a watch.

 

[Jaykay767]

Renukaji, we'll said.

How will anyone believe this govt after so much anti Muslim rhetoric by their leaders, and lynchings, riots, Babri demolition, etc over last 100 yrs ?

This is where they have a great opportunity under Modi to change course and embrace the Muslim brethren and build an inclusive and equal india.

The question is can Modi transcend all and do this ? And will his supporters allow him to do this ?

 

[கால பைரவன்]

There is still a significant population in India who is not taken in by this fake "muslims under fear" argument. In the past week alone, there have been several acts of vandalism, rioting, damage to public property e.t.c In which country is a community living under fear is able to carry out such atrocities and still elicit sympathy?

All you liberals routinely compare plight of muslims in India to persecuted Hindus in Islamic countries. Can you show one instance of these violent acts perpetrated by minorities in those countries?

 

[கால பைரவன்]

The truth is Modi and the BJP govt in the first five years did many things to reach out to muslims. He was more than true to sabka sath sabka vikas especially where muslims are concerned.

All these people who are now hyper ventilating because the govt seeks to give preference to persecuted minorities who happen to be Hindus, Sikhs etc - claiming it is some sort of religious discrimination have never said one word against all the schemes that favor muslims and other minorities ar the expense of hindus. And we are talking about indian citizens here. So all this talk about taking a stance against religious discrimination e.t.c are hogwash. What the fiberals mean by secularism is that they support religion based discrimination if the discrimination favors muslims, Christians etc otherwise they oppose. This is the naked truth.

For all this indiscriminate hatred against Modi and hindutva, Modi not only did not remove any special scheme designed to help Indian minorities but also enhanced and added such schemes. Let us see some examples.

1) Scholarship for minority students
This is scholarship allocated to help with education of poor students belonging to the minority religions in India. This is positive discrimination in favor of Muslims and other minorities. The budget has consistently increased over the last few years.

2) Nai Manzil scheme: Skill development program for girls belonging to minority religions. Not available to hindus.

3) Hunar Haat scheme and generation of hunar hubs: encourage and promote traditional artisans and craftsmen belonging to minority community. Does not provide any help if the artisan is a hindu. Discrimination in favor of muslims and other minorities.

4) Nai Roshni: Scheme for leadership development of women belonging to minority religions.

5) Padho Pardesh: Scheme of interest subsidy for educational loans to study overseas. Available only for minority students.

6) Nai Udaan scheme: Financial support for minority students clearing preliminary exams of UPSC, SSC, SPSC etc

7) Did not touch any constitutional amendment that favors the minorities at the expense of Hindus. Did not even ensure parity for Hindus in the matter of education (for example RTE does not apply to any school run by a minority) or management of temples.

The fiberals have never cried religious discrimination against any of the above schemes because it benefits their favorite religions. But in the matter of CAA which really benefits persecuted people escaping worst regimes and in any way not against Indian citizens at all, they cry discrimination.

The fact is Modi/Hindutva were more than true to his word in reaching out to minorities.

What did he get in return? Just abuse, vandalism, riots etc because nothing short of Sharia rule will satisfy the faithful and the fiberals who are hand in glove on everything. I can't even fathom the hypocrisy of the fiberals.

 

[Jaykay767]

There is still a significant population in India who is not taken in by this fake "muslims under fear" argument. In the past week alone, there have been several acts of vandalism, rioting, damage to public property e.t.c In which country is a community living under fear is able to carry out such atrocities and still elicit sympathy?

All you liberals routinely compare plight of muslims in India to persecuted Hindus in Islamic countries. Can you show one instance of these violent acts perpetrated by minorities in those countries?

If you don't want to see the truth, then no one can help. The fear among Muslims are real, fear among liberals, secular are real. It is always fear without any outlets to express, leads to such rioting.

And this is manifesting in such massive outpourings, on the streets. In the peaceful and the violent protests which I totally condemn, I see people of all fsiths,

Let's not continue to blame one community for the violence.

 

[Jaykay767]

The truth is Modi and the BJP govt in the first five years did many things to reach out to muslims. He was more than true to sabka sath sabka vikas especially where muslims are concerned.

All these people who are now hyper ventilating because the govt seeks to give preference to persecuted minorities who happen to be Hindus, Sikhs etc - claiming it is some sort of religious discrimination have never said one word against all the schemes that favor muslims and other minorities ar the expense of hindus. And we are talking about indian citizens here. So all this talk about taking a stance against religious discrimination e.t.c are hogwash. What the fiberals mean by secularism is that they support religion based discrimination if the discrimination favors muslims, Christians etc otherwise they oppose. This is the naked truth.

For all this indiscriminate hatred against Modi and hindutva, Modi not only did not remove any special scheme designed to help Indian minorities but also enhanced and added such schemes. Let us see some examples.

1) Scholarship for minority students
This is scholarship allocated to help with education of poor students belonging to the minority religions in India. This is positive discrimination in favor of Muslims and other minorities. The budget has consistently increased over the last few years.

2) Nai Manzil scheme: Skill development program for girls belonging to minority religions. Not available to hindus.

3) Hunar Haat scheme and generation of hunar hubs: encourage and promote traditional artisans and craftsmen belonging to minority community. Does not provide any help if the artisan is a hindu. Discrimination in favor of muslims and other minorities.

4) Nai Roshni: Scheme for leadership development of women belonging to minority religions.

5) Padho Pardesh: Scheme of interest subsidy for educational loans to study overseas. Available only for minority students.

6) Nai Udaan scheme: Financial support for minority students clearing preliminary exams of UPSC, SSC, SPSC etc

7) Did not touch any constitutional amendment that favors the minorities at the expense of Hindus. Did not even ensure parity for Hindus in the matter of education (for example RTE does not apply to any school run by a minority) or management of temples.

The fiberals have never cried religious discrimination against any of the above schemes because it benefits their favorite religions. But in the matter of CAA which really benefits persecuted people escaping worst regimes and in any way not against Indian citizens at all, they cry discrimination.

The fact is Modi/Hindutva were more than true to his word in reaching out to minorities.

What did he get in return? Just abuse, vandalism, riots etc because nothing short of Sharia rule will satisfy the faithful and the fiberals who are hand in glove on everything. I can't even fathom the hypocrisy of the fiberals.

Assuming all these,schemes are correct, why aren't you talking about all this ?

Why talk about CAA and NRC and create fear ? Why are you not reaching out to Muslims and talking about this without the hate rhetoric by some of the leaders ?

It is unfathomable why would any govt not reach out to all communities and govern in harmony instead of allowing all and sundry leaders to spew hatred against minorities.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

The govt is doing its job. It is doing its best to implement sabka sath sabka vikas in all its schemes. It does not discriminate against muslims or other minorities. In fact it has many schemes favoring them as I showed above. If anything the govt should do more to reduce discrimination against hindus of India.

The CAA is a much needed relief to persecuted hindus, sikhs etc there is no comparison at all between their plight and the plight of muslims in Islamic countries. The CAA/ NRC are civilizational issues necessary for the survival of India as a secular country.

The fiberals are hand in glove with a radical section of Islamists who mislead a large section of Indian citizenry. The fiberals want power to loot India. The radicals will not be satisfied with anything short of Sharia. Don't be one of them and spread falsehoods. That is all I have to say.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Assuming all these,schemes are correct, why aren't you talking about all this ?
Why talk about CAA and NRC and create fear ? Why are you not reaching out to Muslims and talking about this without the hate rhetoric by some of the leaders ?
It is unfathomable why would any govt not reach out to all communities and govern in harmony instead of allowing all and sundry leaders to spew hatred against minorities.

Once again, you think the govt should exist only for the benefit of muslims? The govt is for all people of India. You can't expect every action of the Govt should be to placate one community. The problem with you guys is that you play victim on one hand but also try and force govt into submission by indulging in violence, riots etc. Who would believe you? Your credibility is at an all time low. You talk about a certain phobia all over the world but don't stop to think why it is that mainly your favorite religion suffers from that phobia everywhere. May be it is not a phobia after all. May be it is genuine fear. Phobia is defined as irrational fear. Truth is Fear of Sharia is extremely rational.

BTW, How come you have no problem with all these schemes discriminating the Indian Citizens in name of religion but has problems with the issue of CAA which applies to non- citizens? Admit it. You are all fine if any scheme favors muslims over hindus. The rights of a non- citizen Muslim is important to you than the rights of a hindu citizen. Isn't that the truth my brother? So why pretend to be secular?

 

[Balacs]

In the general elections across Uttar Pradesh, Muslims voted for Modi because they benefitted significantly from the BJP Govt. schemes. It is Muslim leaders like Assaduddin Owaisi who are interested in keeping the Muslims illiterate to secure their vote banks and do their dirty work. After all this fellow needs illiterate goons to his bidding without questioning him. Anyway, trying to explain this to "fiberals and siculars" who take pride in their anti-Modi credentials is like banging one's head against the wall. Modi has the guts and the will and trying his best to do "sabka saat sabka vikas". No one is perfect and the best and carefully planned schemes do sometimes go wrong. The best thing to do is ignore these people who are merely Modi bashers. They are known to the forum members and are mere objects of ridicule.

 

[Jaykay767]

The govt is doing its job. It is doing its best to implement sabka sath sabka vikas in all its schemes. It does not discriminate against muslims or other minorities. In fact it has many schemes favoring them as I showed above. If anything the govt should do more to reduce discrimination against hindus of India.

The CAA is a much needed relief to persecuted hindus, sikhs etc there is no comparison at all between their plight and the plight of muslims in Islamic countries. The CAA/ NRC are civilizational issues necessary for the survival of India as a secular country.

The fiberals are hand in glove with a radical section of Islamists who mislead a large section of Indian citizenry. The fiberals want power to loot India. The radicals will not be satisfied with anything short of Sharia. Don't be one of them and spread falsehoods. That is all I have to say.

First off, the right is living in the past pushing for a Hindu rashtra. In today's world, we have gone too far to get back to earlier times. This is the same thing, many of us TBs lament about the past, but eventually we need to move. Our next gen has moved on.

Let UNHRC manage all such persecuted minorities from neighbouring states. How come such huge persecutions are not raised at global stage or is it another fake propaganda item ?

As far as the govt doing yeoman work, let results speak. Right now, the economy is dead, millions jobless, farm crisis,netc..so nothing reall to crow about.

 

[Jaykay767]

Once again, you think the govt should exist only for the benefit of muslims? The govt is for all people of India. You can't expect every action of the Govt should be to placate one community. The problem with you guys is that you play victim on one hand but also try and force govt into submission by indulging in violence, riots etc. Who would believe you? Your credibility is at an all time low. You talk about a certain phobia all over the world but don't stop to think why it is that mainly your favorite religion suffers from that phobia everywhere. May be it is not a phobia after all. May be it is genuine fear. Phobia is defined as irrational fear. Truth is Fear of Sharia is extremely rational.

BTW, How come you have no problem with all these schemes discriminating the Indian Citizens in name of religion but has problems with the issue of CAA which applies to non- citizens? Admit it. You are all fine if any scheme favors muslims over hindus. The rights of a non- citizen Muslim is important to you than the rights of a hindu citizen. Isn't that the truth my brother? So why pretend to be secular?

We'll, if you choose to live in an alternate universe, that's fine. When Mexicans were targetted by trump, all of us rushed to support them, sAme is the case with Muslims now.

If you favourite party had not targeted the Muslims, why will any of us talk ? The only thing this govt did was talk about Hindu Muslim, Hindu, Muslim, Hindu Muslim...so you can hardly turn around and blame the liberals and seculars for espousing their cause.

Hindus are not being discriminated in india by liberal secularists, so let's not play victim card here.

How come none of these issues existed during Manmohan era, but suddenly surfaced with our super duper govt, about last 70 yr issue, etc.that too only during 2019 elections that too after having mucked up the economy ??

LoL.

 

[Jaykay767]

I mean, why aren't you all rising such persecution at the UN ? seriously ?

How come international media is not talking about it like they are about uyghurs ?

 

[கால பைரவன்]

There is no point in discussing with someone for whom muslims and muslims alone matter. Why do you pretend to be anything else is my question.

Let's see what JK is saying. A Muslim country following sharia law oppresses muslims. That he wants us to believe. If we question that logic he says persecution of Hindus is fake. How can anyone claiming to to be hindu have such hatred for Hindus?

Also he wants us to believe his secularist, liberal regime provides equal rights to Hindus. This is even after I showed all those examples of religion based discrimination. Why does he pretend to want to have any discussion if to him all that we say is fake and he alone is paragon of virtue?

India has the duty to offer asylum to hindu refugees - a problem that arose out of partition and continuing till this day. Atleast stop using LOL in your posts when we're talking about refugees. It is not a laughable matter. It is disgusting.

 

[Jaykay767]

First off, the ideology is a disaster, it is divisive, anti Muslim, and reams of book a written by the founders praising nazis. That apart, the entire 70 yrs post independence and also pre independence was spent on blaming minorities for everything.

And then they spent the last 5.5 yrs on lynchistan, vitriolic anti Muslim speeches, any number of riots, etc..and then turn around and blame liberals seculars for painting them as anti muslim

I mean, seriously ? You can only fool people a few times, not all the times.

 

[Jaykay767]

There is no point in discussing with someone for whom muslims and muslims alone matter. Why do you pretend to be anything else is my question.

Let's see what JK is saying. A Muslim country following sharia law oppresses muslims. That he wants us to believe. If we question that logic he says persecution of Hindus is fake. How can anyone claiming to to be hindu have such hatred for Hindus?

Also he wants us to believe his secularist, liberal regime provides equal rights to Hindus. This is even after I showed all those examples of religion based discrimination. Why does he pretend to want to have any discussion if to him all that we say is fake and he alone is paragon of virtue?

India has the duty to offer asylum to hindu refugees - a problem that arose out of partition and continuing till this day. Atleast stop using LOL in your posts when we're talking about refugees. It is not a laughable matter. It is disgusting.

Hang on, you have no business to paint anyone opposijng this belevod govt as anti Hindu, etc.. Let's avoid the personal attacks and keep this civil.

And please spare us the victim hood stories.

By all social parameters, the Hindus are doing much better than Muslims. Muslims are still the poorest in the country, so much for all the appeasement politics, by the liberal seculars, oppositon parties, etc..

Why didn't you raise the minority Hindu persecution from 2012 til 2019 ?? And do you really think the internstional media would not have raised such issues ?

Do you really ythink, unhrc is a time pass organisation ? And they would not have put all this on their agenda.

And if you were so concerned, why didn't you raise this in unhrc and force sanctions on Pakistan ??

Just because you peddle something about our neighbours doesn't mean, we have to buy into all this without questioning and proper proof.

 

[Jaykay767]

And what is wrong in supporting Muslims ? How does it make anyone anti Hindu ?

And when people run out of arguments, then painting others by calling names maybe the only option.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

For those who are genuinely concerned about human rights and by human rights I mean human rights of Hindus as well, please go through the following article. It is a very long read. There are lots of references. You are welcome to go through them as well.

Discrimination against Hindus in Indian public discourse

Indian media in particular, and civil society should introspect so as to mitigate the case of bias against Hin

swarajyamag.com

Personally i am disgusted with the people laughing at the plight of Hindus. I understand freedom of expression means one has to suffer such extreme writings as well. Still ridiculous denial of oppression of Hindus.

 

[Jaykay767]

And what programs this govt wanted to do for Hindus that we have opposed ? And those programs which you claim to discriminate against Hindus are by your great govt. so ask them to make it a level playing field for Hindus ? Or again jumlabazi to coverup the hate agenda as usual.

This is the challenge with this govt and it supporters. You have a hate ideology, spew every possible hate speech against muslims and when people call this out in india and in all internstional forums, start crying that they are anti Hindu, anti Modi, anti BJP etc..

 

[Jaykay767]

For those who are genuinely concerned about human rights and by human rights I mean human rights of Hindus as well, please go through the following article. It is a very long read. There are lots of references. You are welcome to go through them as well.

Discrimination against Hindus in Indian public discourse

Indian media in particular, and civil society should introspect so as to mitigate the case of bias against Hin

swarajyamag.com

Personally i am disgusted with the people laughing at the plight of Hindus. I understand freedom of expression means one has to suffer such extreme writings as well. Still ridiculous denial of oppression of Hindus.

Raise it in unhrc, that why this organisation was formed. I mean seriously, crowing in some govt paid news media will only lead to people suspecting all these atrocities.

And while we are debating such great injustices happening to Hindus in india by liberal seculars, which none of us can see, debate about your govt failures which has brought us to this stage of street protests.

Oh wait, this must also be paid for and staged by liberal seculars as always !!

LOL.

 

[Jaykay767]

No one is laughing at the plight of Hindus, least of all, me. I am only laughing at this enormous victim hood you paint of Hindus suffering in india at the hands of liberal seculars, that none of us can see !!

As far as Hindus in neighbouring countries are concerned, there are no evidence presented by this govt. And even if all these are true, why is your govt not raising in unhrc and put Pakistan on the dock when they were raising Kashmir human rights issue??

 

[கால பைரவன்]

India under BJP will do everything to mitigate the plight of oppressed Hindus, Sikhs etc. CAA is being done in that light. Those Hindus who are victims of partition have the right to live a dignified life in India. We get a clear glimpse of what will happen if you fiberals and sickulars pretending to be paragons of human rights capture power. You will leave the plight of Hindus at the hands of oppressors. Astonishing hatred/ apathy towards hindus.