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[vikrama]

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சற்று முன் வந்த செய்தி-
மயிலை கபாலீசுவரர் கோவிலில் நடைபெற்றுக் கொண்டிருக்கும் பன்னிரு திருமுறை விழா அரங்கில் வைக்கப்பட்டிருக்கும் தட்டியில் சைவக் குரவர் நால்வர் படங்களும் வரையப்பட்டுள்ளன. அதில் மாணிக்க வாசகருக்கும் சுந்தர மூர்த்திக்கும் பூணூல் இல்லை.

இடைவேளைக்குப் பின் வர இருக்கும் செய்தி-
ஞானசம்பந்தரும் பூணூலைக் கழற்றிவிட்டார்.

அடுத்த இடைவேளைக்குப் பின்-
பெரிய புராணம் தேவாரம் திருவாசகம் இவற்றில் அந்தணன், வேதியன் என்ற சொற்கள் வரும் பாடல்கள் நீக்கப்பட்டு புதிய பதிப்பு வெளியாகும்.

காரணம் - சைவத் திருமுறைகளில் நாம் போதுமான ஈடுபாடு காட்டாதது தான். வேதம் தான் படிக்கவில்லை. தமிழ் வேதமாவது படிக்கலாமே.

 

[RVR]

Dear Sri Vikrama,

I think we should not react to every action of the other side. Nobody can deny the contribution of our community to our mother language and to the bakthi cult. Even today one of our community member Mr.Ramachandran is Director of Saiva sidhanda research centre, Dharmapuram Adheenam. Let us continue to contribute for the development of our mother tongue and bakthi literature. Let us not bother about those who continuously engaged in degrading us.

Only few people on the other side are interested in provoking us continuously and we should not react to the situation and make them important. If we ignore, they will get automatically ignored.

Majority of the people don't bother about all these things, have nothing against our community and we should take them with us

எண்ணாயிரம் ஆண்டு யோகம் இருப்பினும் கண்ணார் அமுதனை கண்டறிவாரில்லை உள் நாடி ஒளி பெற உள்ளே நோக்கினார் கண்ணாடி போல கலந்து நின்றானே

 

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To All: Very good Post and very good reply. I fully agree with. Today every TB'S should chant Tamil sologams.Today's TB'S fashion is to say that my Son and Daughters dontknow That Tamil.They know only Hindi and English (some body Learns Sanskrit).But atleast at Home wemust teach Tamil to the next genaration. s.r.k.

 

[Naina_Marbus]

Unity among ??

ஹரியும் சிவனும் ஒன்று .
தேவாரம் திருவாசகம் மற்றும் திவ்ய பிரபந்தங்கள் என்பன
அனைவராலும் பழகப்படவேண்டியவை . கண்ணப்பரின்
பக்திக்கு நாம் முன்னேறவேண்டும் என்ற ஏக்கமாவது
நமக்கு மிஞ்சட்டும்
பிளவு பிராமணர் அல்லாதவர்கள் பிராமணர் என்பது மட்டுமல்ல
பிரமாணர் இடையேயும் இருக்க வேண்டாமே .

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This is indeed the kind of perspective we need today.

naina

 

[gsarathy]

vikram thirumurais..in practice.

வைஷ்ணவர்கள் திவ்ய பிரபந்தத்திற்குக் கொடுக்கும் முக்கியத்துவம், ஸ்மார்த்தர்கள் ஏன் தேவார திருவாசகங்களுக்குக் கொடுப்பதில்லை? இனியாவது ஏன் கொடுக்கக் கூடாது? அவ்வாறு கொடுப்பது பிராமணர்- அல்லாதாரிடையே உள்ள பிளவை நீக்கும் என்று கருதுகிறேன். முற்காலத்தில் அந்தணர்களும் கோவிலில் ஓதுவார்களாக இருந்திருக்கிறார்கள் என்று லால்குடிக் கல்வெட்டு கூறுகிறது.
விக்ரம

Divisions in temples like vada/then..kalais,smarthas,rayars,mariamman temples and sampradayas exist for a long time without hitch.
nobody objected to these sectarian feelings.
Temple entry has been blessed to all since more than 100 years.
bramins have been in bakthi cult [radha/seetha /meenakshi kalyana mahotsav you could see many language songs]
one could see many temples/houses learning/chanting /learning ramayana/bagavatham/narayaneeyam/devimahatmiyum/sahasranamams/thirupugaz etc as individual efforts mainly portrayed by bramins.some nonbramins attend also.
but i am yet to see any nonbramin group [which comprises of 97 percent population of temple goers.] to boldly come out either singly or in groups to sing thevaram in any temple/houses.
oaduvars do not come forward to sing/teach thevaram freely like other hymns...nobody prevents them.
these sivanadiyars and pandarams are exinct.
its not smarthas alone but all saivites owe moral responsibility to Thevaram.
many are finding happiness in blaming bramins and sanskrit but the have not contributed anything toward thevaram etc but they go hand in glove with bramins by joining in their sloka classes.
GPS

 

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to GPS: Sorry I cont accept your view, Those days the TB's are economicly week and they are forced go for jobs for their livehood, it was created a vacum in learing Tamil hymns singing. Mostly Thevaram was song by oaduvars and they taught to their oown children another thing the ladies were not allowed to sing in temples. But nowadays things changed all walks of life going to temple and they are participation in bajans class and chanting at temples. Bakthi become mad and serching thing for self and farget rest. s.r.k

 

[RVR]

Even today, there is one brahmin lady in Chennai hailing from a well to do family is conducting classes in `Saiva Panniru Thirumurai' regularly free of cost. Director of Saiva Sidhantha Research at Dharmapuram Adheenam Mr.Ramachandran is a TB.

Vallimalai Sri Sachidananda swamigal was responsible for reviving Tiruppugazh. Late Sri Krinsha Iyer, a disciple of Vallimalai swamigal, use to sing only Tiruppugazh.

Sivachariars generally don't sing Devaram, Thiruvasagam but an oduvar is to sing regularly during main pooja timings. On the contrary Battachariars use to sing Divya Prabandham.

We have to popularise all the Deiva Tamil Literature

எண்ணாயிரம் ஆண்டு யோகம் இருப்பினும் கண்ணார் அமுதனை கண்டறிவாரில்லை உள் நாடி ஒளி பெற உள்ளே நோக்கினார் கண்ணாடி போல கலந்து நின்றானே

 

[tbs]

hi all,
There is a title called " UBAYA VEDANTA" in sri vaishnavas..means
they are scholars in tamil divya prabhandam with sanskrit
based vedas/upanishads...so they " U Ve"' ramanuja thothathri etc
in smarthas there is no system.........generally sanskrit based
vedas/upanishads are thought in veda patashalas for smathas..but in
madhuranthagam/thirupathi based vaishnava veda patashala..
they teach vedas/ divya prabhandam in tamil must........no thevaram
or thiruvachagam in smartha/saiva veda patashalas...

regards
tbs

 

[RVR]

Learning Devaram, Thiruvachakam,Tiruppugazh,Abhirami Andhadhi etc are much easier since lot of musical websites are available where we can listen/download these songs with musical composition. Eminent exponents like Dharmapuram Swaminathan, Sirkazhi Govindarajan and others have done these songs which will really touching our hearts.

MLV, DK Pattammal and few others have done the same for Thiruppavai/Thiruvembavai/Thiruppalli Ezhuchi. But there is no such work with music composition for entire Divya Prabandham.

Once we listen to eminent singers, we can learn much easily.

எண்ணாயிரம் ஆண்டு யோகம் இருப்பினும் கண்ணார் அமுதனை கண்டறிவாரில்லை உள் நாடி ஒளி பெற உள்ளே நோக்கினார் கண்ணாடி போல கலந்து நின்றானே

 

[krishmeena]

Tiruvaasakathirkku urugaathaar oru vaasakathirkum urugaar!

 

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to tbs Sir Ubaya Vedantha means a scholar in both Tamil and sanskrit like U ve SaminathaIyer. and many more names. If I quote some thing injustic done to Tamil scriptures and Tamil poems our superModerators,Moderatores will edit and issueing warring when I say a section of so called Tamil vedtham saithor.vambu eatharku. s.r.k.

 

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To Rv sir for the last sixty years the Tamil saiva Madamkal Dravida iykkamkaling kai pavai yaha maripochu, so there is vacum betwen devotees and Madams. And another importent is the Tamil Madams started keeping TamilBrahmins away from all kind of Tamil reserch works. Mostly the Saiva Siddhantha Philosophy reserched by Vaisnava Scholors only and mostly availble to-day. s.r.k

 

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To all: for information IAS officer Retd sri T.V.Venkataraman is duing a wonderful job by reserch on TIRUMOOLAR TIRUMANTHIRAM, he published the book also. I understood He studied English and Sanskrit during his school and college days,but he learned Tamil and published a book in Tamil is great. s.r.k.

 

[RVR]

To Rv sir for the last sixty years the Tamil saiva Madamkal Dravida iykkamkaling kai pavai yaha maripochu, so there is vacum betwen devotees and Madams. And another importent is the Tamil Madams started keeping TamilBrahmins away from all kind of Tamil reserch works. Mostly the Saiva Siddhantha Philosophy reserched by Vaisnava Scholors only and mostly availble to-day. s.r.k

Dear Sri esarkey ji,

Even now the Director of Saiva Sidhantha Research Centre at Dharmapuram Adheenam is a TB namely Mr.Ramachandran. He is an advocate by profession but out of interest in the Panniru Thirumurai, he has translated almost all the Devaram, Thiruvachagam and Thirumandiram into English with full meanings. He published several papers during last World Tamil Congress at Tanjore

Dharmapuram and Thiruvadurai adheenams are the oldest in Chola Nadu (Trichy, Tanjore & other districts) dedicated to protect the Saiva Sidhantha. Out of which Dharmapuram adheenam has engaged our own community member and he is doing a wonderful job.

Late Sri Chithra Narayanaswamy's (Ex MLC of Tamilnadu Assembly and founder of Madras Stock Exchange) daughter in law is training students in Saiva Panniru Thirumurai free of cost at Chennai even today.

Again Late Sri P.N.Krishna Iyer (expired just two years back) propagated Tiruppugazh throughout Tamilnadu. He is a disciple of Vallimalai Sri Sachidananda Swamigal who revived Tiruppugazh.

All the above people are doing their job silently without being noticed. However when Chidambar Dikshidars objected to reciting Devaram by a group of vested interests, it was highlighted in the press. We are being targetted that we are against Tamil Language which is far from truth.

எண்ணாயிரம் ஆண்டு யோகம் இருப்பினும் கண்ணார் அமுதனை கண்டறிவாரில்லை உள் நாடி ஒளி பெற உள்ளே நோக்கினார் கண்ணாடி போல கலந்து நின்றானே

 

[gsarathy]

thevaram

to GPS: Sorry I cont accept your view, Those days the TB's are economicly week and they are forced go for jobs for their livehood, it was created a vacum in learing Tamil hymns singing. Mostly Thevaram was song by oaduvars and they taught to their oown children another thing the ladies were not allowed to sing in temples. But nowadays things changed all walks of life going to temple and they are participation in bajans class and chanting at temples. Bakthi become mad and serching thing for self and farget rest. s.r.k

SRKs mail is thought provoking.
I wish to bring the following points.
1.Thevaram is not encouraged even by 97 percent nonbramins as they tend to lean towards bramins side eg,sahasranamam etc.but they openly condemn bramins as tamil haters and sanskrit protogonists which is not true.
Rudram/bagavatam/narayaneeyam.devimahatmiyum etc are freely taught in several temples by Rtd seniors but nobody is willing to teach thevaram like that.
2.when govt encourages tamil they donot reciprocate.
3.chanting of sahasranamas are done thousands of times in all temples but not thevaram under similar conditions.
4.Tamil people /all temple goers should be bold in chanting PANNIRU THIRUMURAIS in all temples .
GPS

 

[RVR]

Recently well known music director Sri Ilayraja propagated few stanzas of Tiruvachagam which was well received by the public. However he stopped with the first dose and probably he could be persuaded to do more on regular basis.

Except probably Nithyasree Mahadeven (Grand daughter of late smt. D.K.Pattammal), no carnatic music singer propagates Tamil songs. Few months back I attended a program of Ms.Nithyasree Mahadevan where she devoted the full program on Late Gopalakrishna Bharathi`s `Nandanar Charithram'. It was really a wonderful program and the participation from audience was excellent with continued appreciation.

I think we have to support the artistes who are performing programs on Saiva Panniru Thirumurai, Tiruppugazh, Abhirami Andhadhi etc.

எண்ணாயிரம் ஆண்டு யோகம் இருப்பினும் கண்ணார் அமுதனை கண்டறிவாரில்லை உள் நாடி ஒளி பெற உள்ளே நோக்கினார் கண்ணாடி போல கலந்து நின்றானே

 

[gsarathy]

Music of any language is encouraged in Tamilnadu thro Sabhas.
as per population statistics the population consists of 3 percent bramins only and only these people sponser/encourage all music and other 97 [nonbramins]percent is mere spectators who simply attend and enjoy but put the blame on bramins that tamil is not encouraged/sanskrit is glorified.
why not NBs come forward to take active part in 12 Thirumurais propogation along with present musicians.
GPS

 

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to GPSji, Yes you are correct, but from the old days sambradhya only a well learned Othovars to chant Thavaram in the Temples.(eg: at Palani temple the Pandharams having the rights) So noone came farward to learn and chant,rg the Nbs they were turn towards Dravidan movements,and other Nb communities having control over Temples they are not ready to allow other counterpart to get importence in temples.Nagarathars were against Naddars and Devars, Naddars were against Devars likewise.Another importent reson mostly Naddars become converted to chiristianty and now adays they arrange marriage between their chiritiyan and Hindu families. Rg chidambaram the Dikshdars divided in to groups and last their identity, this because they removed UMAPATHI SIVACHARIYAR from their own community since he said that SIVA is just with in and he composed the poems. Today they are paying for their sin. s.r.k

 

[RVR]

Paramacharya propagated some of the stanzaz of Devaram and Thiruvasagam. Paramacharya was responsible for popularising Manickavasagar's Thiruvembavai and Thiruppalli Ezhuchi. He also propaged Sambandar's Kolaru Pathigam.

Please read Paramacharya's book `Vinayagar' , published by சிமிழி வெங்கடராம சாஸ்திரி ட்ரஸ்ட், ஸ்ரீரங்கம்

were he quotes from various saiva Tamil poets. Paramacharya's knowledge of Tamil Literature is really amazing. After reading some of his books only, I started taking more interest on the religious Tamil Literature.

In the above book, he insists that even though we call `Lord Muruga' as Tamil God, `Lord Vinayaga' has also equally contributed to Tamil Language right from the days of Saint Agastiar.

எண்ணாயிரம் ஆண்டு யோகம் இருப்பினும் கண்ணார் அமுதனை கண்டறிவாரில்லை உள் நாடி ஒளி பெற உள்ளே நோக்கினார் கண்ணாடி போல கலந்து நின்றானே

 

[GopalaswamyShridharan]

I always thought,the gods are universal/inter-galactical/galaxies, applicable to all lokams,just not bhu-lokam only.Wish i had the book to read,to educate myself on this Shree RV.Thank You!.

gopal.

 

[jayamani]

It gives me immense pleasure to inform that Sri Guru Padhuka Samajam in natesan nagar, Virugambakkam are organising recital of Devaram/Thiruvasagam in the respective pann. It is proposed to conduct classes also for people who are interested in it. During Every Anusham, Prayers(kootu prarthanai) are recited and repeated by the devotees.