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How AI & Metaverse could change Hinduism?
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prasad1
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It is very difficult to answer your question in this section. If you move it to GD, we can have a realistic discussion.
I do not know enough about AI to know its capabilities in the future. With my limited knowledge, AI does not create Knowledge. Chatgpt uses the knowledge that is present in the universe. AI may be like a teacher (with its own biases). It may change our perceptions. It may also dispel some of our superstitions and misconceptions.
I do not know enough about AI to know its capabilities in the future. With my limited knowledge, AI does not create Knowledge. Chatgpt uses the knowledge that is present in the universe. AI may be like a teacher (with its own biases). It may change our perceptions. It may also dispel some of our superstitions and misconceptions.
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sravna
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My own extensive experience with a AI tool from google called Gemini. I used the advanced version. The experiences are mixed. AI as it is seems to be a really amazing tool. It does in a jiffy what might require hours or days of concerted efforts. It seems to be an extremely capable assistant now. It definitely has passed that test. The breadth of what it can do is also amazing. But one must not get over excited about its capabilities. It still is a long way off what a human brain is CAPABLE of doing. Long long way.
sravna
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The best of nature's thinking expressed as evolution over a long period of time has gone into humans. Cana 50 year human thinking surpass that? Really never ever. But the perception could well be it could well surpass and has surpassed as incredible hype is built around it. We are way too looking for quick solutions and fixes
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In an era marked by rapid technological advancement, we are seeing everything from artificial intelligence to robots slowly seep into our everyday lives. But now, this technology is increasingly making inroads into a realm that has long been uniquely human: religion.
From the creation of ChatGPT sermons to robots performing sacred Hindu rituals, the once-clearer boundaries between faith and technology are blurring.
Over the last few months, The Conversation U.S. has published some stories exploring how AI and automation are weaving themselves into religious contexts. These three articles from our archives shed light on the impacts of such technology on human spirituality, faith, and worship across cultures.
Many believe that the growth of robots within Hindu practices could lead to an increase in people leaving the religion, and question the use of robots to embody religious and divine figures.
But there is another concern: whether robots could eventually replace Hindu worshippers. Automated robots would be able to perform rituals without a single error. This is significant because religions like Hinduism and Buddhism emphasize the correct execution of rituals and ceremonies as a means to connect with the divine rather than emphasizing correct belief.
It’s a concept referred to as orthopraxy, according to Wellesley College anthropology lecturer Holly Walters. “In short, the robot can do your religion better than you can because robots, unlike people, are spiritually incorruptible,” she explained. “Modern robotics might then feel like a particular kind of cultural paradox, where the best kind of religion is the one that eventually involves no humans at all.”
theconversation.com
From the creation of ChatGPT sermons to robots performing sacred Hindu rituals, the once-clearer boundaries between faith and technology are blurring.
Over the last few months, The Conversation U.S. has published some stories exploring how AI and automation are weaving themselves into religious contexts. These three articles from our archives shed light on the impacts of such technology on human spirituality, faith, and worship across cultures.
Many believe that the growth of robots within Hindu practices could lead to an increase in people leaving the religion, and question the use of robots to embody religious and divine figures.
But there is another concern: whether robots could eventually replace Hindu worshippers. Automated robots would be able to perform rituals without a single error. This is significant because religions like Hinduism and Buddhism emphasize the correct execution of rituals and ceremonies as a means to connect with the divine rather than emphasizing correct belief.
It’s a concept referred to as orthopraxy, according to Wellesley College anthropology lecturer Holly Walters. “In short, the robot can do your religion better than you can because robots, unlike people, are spiritually incorruptible,” she explained. “Modern robotics might then feel like a particular kind of cultural paradox, where the best kind of religion is the one that eventually involves no humans at all.”
Navigating the intersection between AI, automation and religion – 3 essential reads
The merging of technology and faith is sparking a transformative shift in redefining spirituality and religious practices.
theconversation.com
prasad1
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Machine learning and other artificial intelligence (AI) methods have had immense success with scientific and technical tasks such as predicting how protein molecules fold and recognizing faces in a crowd. However, the application of these methods to the humanities is yet to be fully explored.
What can AI tell us about philosophy and religion, for example? As a starting point for such an exploration, we used deep learning AI methods to analyze English translations of the Bhagavad Gita, an ancient Hindu text written originally in Sanskrit.
Using a deep learning-based language model called BERT, we studied sentiment (emotions) and semantics (meanings) in the translations. Despite huge variations in vocabulary and sentence structure, we found that the patterns of emotion and meaning were broadly similar in all three.
This research opens a path to the use of AI-based technologies for comparing translations and reviewing sentiments in a wide range of texts.
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What can AI tell us about philosophy and religion, for example? As a starting point for such an exploration, we used deep learning AI methods to analyze English translations of the Bhagavad Gita, an ancient Hindu text written originally in Sanskrit.
Using a deep learning-based language model called BERT, we studied sentiment (emotions) and semantics (meanings) in the translations. Despite huge variations in vocabulary and sentence structure, we found that the patterns of emotion and meaning were broadly similar in all three.
This research opens a path to the use of AI-based technologies for comparing translations and reviewing sentiments in a wide range of texts.
AI, Philosophy And Religion: What Machine Learning Can Tell Us About The Bhagavad Gita
What can AI tell us about philosophy and religion, for example? As a starting point for such an exploration, we used deep learning AI methods to analyse English translations of the Bhagavad Gita, an ancient Hindu text written originally in Sanskrit.
www.ndtv.com
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As Vandana Poddar performs the Hindu puja ceremony daily at her home shrine in Mumbai, she's guided on her spiritual journey by the Bhagavad Gita, a 700-verse scripture.
She even attends a weekly class dissecting the deeper meaning of the ancient religious text, with her teacher providing examples to illustrate a particular passage.
"Interpretation is the backbone of this text," Poddar, 52, told CBC News. "Superficial knowledge can be misleading."
But many in India are foregoing that in-person contact with a guru interpreting the Bhagavad Gita and turning to online chatbots, which imitate the voice of the Hindu god Krishna and give answers to probing questions about the meaning of life based on the religious scripture's teachings.
It's a new technology with the tendency to veer off script and condone violence, according to experts, who warn that artificial intelligence chatbots playing god can be a dangerous mix.
Several of the bots consistently provide the answer that it's OK to kill someone if it's your dharma or duty.
In the Bhagavad Gita, written more than 2,000 years ago, the prince Arjuna is hesitant to go into battle where he will have to kill his family and friends until the Hindu god Krishna reminds him that as a warrior from the Kshatriya case, it is his duty to fight.
She even attends a weekly class dissecting the deeper meaning of the ancient religious text, with her teacher providing examples to illustrate a particular passage.
"Interpretation is the backbone of this text," Poddar, 52, told CBC News. "Superficial knowledge can be misleading."
But many in India are foregoing that in-person contact with a guru interpreting the Bhagavad Gita and turning to online chatbots, which imitate the voice of the Hindu god Krishna and give answers to probing questions about the meaning of life based on the religious scripture's teachings.
It's a new technology with the tendency to veer off script and condone violence, according to experts, who warn that artificial intelligence chatbots playing god can be a dangerous mix.
Several of the bots consistently provide the answer that it's OK to kill someone if it's your dharma or duty.
In the Bhagavad Gita, written more than 2,000 years ago, the prince Arjuna is hesitant to go into battle where he will have to kill his family and friends until the Hindu god Krishna reminds him that as a warrior from the Kshatriya case, it is his duty to fight.
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At least five Gita chatbots appeared online in early 2023, powered by the language model Generative Pre-trained Transformer 3 (GPT-3). They're using artificial intelligence, which simulates a conversation and creates answers based on statistical probability models. The sites say they have millions of users.
The main page of one of them, Gita GPT, asks, in an imitation of the voice of the Hindu god Krishna, "What troubles you, my child?" to users typing in a question.
Another chatbot, Bhagavad Gita AI, introduces itself as "a repository of knowledge and wisdom" before telling the online user: "Ask me anything."
Yusuf said the potential danger of answers that condone violence is more acute in a country like India, where religion is so emotionally charged.
"You're creating confusion in the chaos," Yusuf said, adding that some could use the chatbots' answers to further their own political interests and cause irreversible damage. "It might incite more violence, it might create religious bias."
She would like to see government regulation or guidelines on what topics should not be left in the hands of chatbots, such as philosophy, religion and law.
Other experts have also spoken out about the ethical concerns with mixing religion and statistical models, with one AI ethicist telling CBC the world of artificial intelligence is the "Wild West ethically right now".
"We can't control technology but we can control its application," said Jibu Elias, a New Delhi-based AI ethicist and researcher, when referring to the need for governments to set out guidelines.
The main page of one of them, Gita GPT, asks, in an imitation of the voice of the Hindu god Krishna, "What troubles you, my child?" to users typing in a question.
Another chatbot, Bhagavad Gita AI, introduces itself as "a repository of knowledge and wisdom" before telling the online user: "Ask me anything."
Yusuf said the potential danger of answers that condone violence is more acute in a country like India, where religion is so emotionally charged.
"You're creating confusion in the chaos," Yusuf said, adding that some could use the chatbots' answers to further their own political interests and cause irreversible damage. "It might incite more violence, it might create religious bias."
She would like to see government regulation or guidelines on what topics should not be left in the hands of chatbots, such as philosophy, religion and law.
Other experts have also spoken out about the ethical concerns with mixing religion and statistical models, with one AI ethicist telling CBC the world of artificial intelligence is the "Wild West ethically right now".
"We can't control technology but we can control its application," said Jibu Elias, a New Delhi-based AI ethicist and researcher, when referring to the need for governments to set out guidelines.
sravna
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thinking that machines are more intelligent than humans is very dangerous. we may begin to trust machines blindly and lose our originality and eventually thinking. ironical when we are trying to create artificial intelligence the potential of natural intelligence getting vanished seems high. lets cut down the unnecessary hype with the westerners desperately try to promote the technology when it doesnt deserve so much hype. The harm is insidious and we wouldnt even know what type of danger we are in.
prasad1
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As with any other technology, AI comes with its challenges. The most prominent in the context of faith is likely to be misinformation and misrepresentation. We have already seen an example of this last year with the viral circulation of a deepfake image of the pope. In that instance, it was largely meant as a bit of fun.
However, with the possibility of the creation of deepfake images and voice cloning through AI costing as little as £10 (using existing online tools such as Eleven Labs and D-ID) we might not be too far from more worrying cases. Imagine extremist organizations using this technology to create propaganda videos with the faked words of religious leaders or to misrepresent religious symbols.
Similarly, language models trained on extremist views could create outputs at scale to spew venom against particular faith groups, leading to hate crimes and community tensions.
Let’s next take a futuristic vision of AI and its intersection with faith. I would like to use the example of my Hindu faith to illustrate a 50-year future vision.
A key concept of the Hindu faith is purushartha, which outlines the four aims of human life: dharma (righteousness, moral values), artha (prosperity, economic values), kama (pleasure, psychological values), and moksha (spiritual values, self-actualisation).
In the next 50–100 years, AI is likely to become a co-pilot for all human endeavours including decision-making. For maintaining righteousness or dharma in the world, the algorithm and AI language models must be trained on data that is truthful and morally right.
This won’t be guaranteed unless we build this into regulatory frameworks currently being drawn up for AI. The advancement in AI will naturally accelerate humanity’s attainment of artha, or economic prosperity, as we enter a world of abundance with multiple technological convergences.
Based on the clamor for solutions to the growing problem of societal inequality, we could see forms of universal basic income become the norm globally. This will free up a lot of time – now spent on day jobs – for humanity to take up other pursuits. This would in the first instance be more time spent on pleasure or kama activities.
With more quality time on our hands, we could even see a revival in spiritual and faith-related pursuits (moksha activities). That would be an interesting outcome of AI’s growing influence on the world.
theconversation.com
However, with the possibility of the creation of deepfake images and voice cloning through AI costing as little as £10 (using existing online tools such as Eleven Labs and D-ID) we might not be too far from more worrying cases. Imagine extremist organizations using this technology to create propaganda videos with the faked words of religious leaders or to misrepresent religious symbols.
Similarly, language models trained on extremist views could create outputs at scale to spew venom against particular faith groups, leading to hate crimes and community tensions.
Let’s next take a futuristic vision of AI and its intersection with faith. I would like to use the example of my Hindu faith to illustrate a 50-year future vision.
A key concept of the Hindu faith is purushartha, which outlines the four aims of human life: dharma (righteousness, moral values), artha (prosperity, economic values), kama (pleasure, psychological values), and moksha (spiritual values, self-actualisation).
In the next 50–100 years, AI is likely to become a co-pilot for all human endeavours including decision-making. For maintaining righteousness or dharma in the world, the algorithm and AI language models must be trained on data that is truthful and morally right.
This won’t be guaranteed unless we build this into regulatory frameworks currently being drawn up for AI. The advancement in AI will naturally accelerate humanity’s attainment of artha, or economic prosperity, as we enter a world of abundance with multiple technological convergences.
Based on the clamor for solutions to the growing problem of societal inequality, we could see forms of universal basic income become the norm globally. This will free up a lot of time – now spent on day jobs – for humanity to take up other pursuits. This would in the first instance be more time spent on pleasure or kama activities.
With more quality time on our hands, we could even see a revival in spiritual and faith-related pursuits (moksha activities). That would be an interesting outcome of AI’s growing influence on the world.
How AI could change our relationship with religion
AI could free up our time to an unprecedented degree, which will leave time for faith-based activities.
theconversation.com
renuka
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I am getting too old for this world.
renuka
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I wouldnt want to depend on an AI for spirituality.
By using an AI for spirituality we dont access our own consciousness.
Answers from a book or from Google Search or AI is best termed as information but it gives us no access to our own selves( consciousness)
AI is microcosm..our consciousness is the macrocosm.
Why settle for less.
By using an AI for spirituality we dont access our own consciousness.
Answers from a book or from Google Search or AI is best termed as information but it gives us no access to our own selves( consciousness)
AI is microcosm..our consciousness is the macrocosm.
Why settle for less.
sravna
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Well said. AI is looking outward intelligence based on information. It can't teach you how to look inward. You need consciousness.
prasad1
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Whether you want it or not, It is here to stay and shape our future. Just like the internet and Google, people will be dependent on AI even without knowing it.
So it is better to reconcile with the facts and accept them. If possible be constructive and shape them or get out of the way. It is roaring its way into our life.
Why is it that humans, and not chimpanzees, control the fate of the world?
Humans have shaped every corner of our planet. Chimps, despite being pretty smart compared to other nonhuman animals, have not.
This is (roughly) because of humans’ intelligence.1
Companies and governments are spending billions of dollars a year developing AI systems — and as these systems grow more advanced, they could (eventually) displace humans as the most intelligent things on the planet. As we’ll see, they’re making progress. Fast.
Exactly how long it will take to produce artificial intelligence that’s better than humans at most things is a matter of lively debate. But it looks likely that it is possible, and we guess that it’ll happen this century.
The observation that human intelligence may be surpassed this century isn’t a rigorous or conclusive argument that artificial intelligence will be a big deal, or that it’s a threat to humanity. We’ll go into those arguments in far more detail below.
But it does seem fair to say that the potential development of rival intelligence on Earth shortly should at least be cause for concern.
Will the systems we develop have goals? If so, what goals will they have?
Will they support humanity’s attempts to do good? Or might we lose our control over our future, and effectively end the human story here?
The honest answer to these questions is that we don’t know.
But we shouldn’t just wait around, fingers crossed, watching from afar. Artificial intelligence could fundamentally change everything — so working to shape its progress could just be the most important thing we can do.
80000hours.org
So it is better to reconcile with the facts and accept them. If possible be constructive and shape them or get out of the way. It is roaring its way into our life.
Why is it that humans, and not chimpanzees, control the fate of the world?
Humans have shaped every corner of our planet. Chimps, despite being pretty smart compared to other nonhuman animals, have not.
This is (roughly) because of humans’ intelligence.1
Companies and governments are spending billions of dollars a year developing AI systems — and as these systems grow more advanced, they could (eventually) displace humans as the most intelligent things on the planet. As we’ll see, they’re making progress. Fast.
Exactly how long it will take to produce artificial intelligence that’s better than humans at most things is a matter of lively debate. But it looks likely that it is possible, and we guess that it’ll happen this century.
The observation that human intelligence may be surpassed this century isn’t a rigorous or conclusive argument that artificial intelligence will be a big deal, or that it’s a threat to humanity. We’ll go into those arguments in far more detail below.
But it does seem fair to say that the potential development of rival intelligence on Earth shortly should at least be cause for concern.
Will the systems we develop have goals? If so, what goals will they have?
Will they support humanity’s attempts to do good? Or might we lose our control over our future, and effectively end the human story here?
The honest answer to these questions is that we don’t know.
But we shouldn’t just wait around, fingers crossed, watching from afar. Artificial intelligence could fundamentally change everything — so working to shape its progress could just be the most important thing we can do.
Preventing an AI-related catastrophe - Problem profile
Why do we think that reducing risks from AI is one of the most pressing issues of our time? There are technical safety issues that we believe could, in the worst case, lead to an existential threat to humanity.
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prasad1
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I completely agree with your perspective on the impact of AI on our future. We need to be proactive in shaping the development of AI to ensure that it aligns with our values and goals as a society. The potential for AI to surpass human intelligence raises important questions about the future of humanity and how we can ensure that AI systems support our efforts to do good. It's a complex and evolving field, but we must engage with these questions and work towards a future where AI benefits humanity.
renuka
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Agreed..AI is just a tool thats all.
We should be developing our innate "intelligence"
Overdependence on AI technology weakens our memory and over stimulates our limbic system of the brain.
Try talking to youths these days..they are very hypereactive.
Its not that they are not polite but they are on an overdrive.
Everything related to technology these days is fashioned in distracting mode.
It doesnt allow you to focus.
We see pop ups, adverts..etc constantly that distracts us.
Even advertisment music is noisy and has no gaps in between..it doesnt allow a refractory period of our mind.
When the mind is constantly stimulated it leads to chaos of our whole mind body complex.
But anyway as long we use AI as a tool and not let it rule us, its fine.
But sadly most of us are going to let it rule us.
sravna
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People are already surrendering without resistance thanks to the hype. I was interacting with Gemini on physics. If you are not wary it would seem it possesses incredible understanding of the subject , a little deep probing lets the cat out of the bag. It is all very superficial. It is more of idiot savant like most of westerners who are happy with surface understanding. It will be sustained by marketing and hype but true intelligence will never happen unless mind and soul are brought into the equation and some fundamental change in philosophy of science happens and fundamental change happens in the way AI is developed. but one thing for sure. It can never catch up with the true capabilities of humans.
Appreciate you extensive engagement with the thread, glad to note your resonance with thoughts I expressed in the podcast and in this Conversation piece.As with any other technology, AI comes with its challenges. The most prominent in the context of faith is likely to be misinformation and misrepresentation. We have already seen an example of this last year with the viral circulation of a deepfake image of the pope. In that instance, it was largely meant as a bit of fun.
However, with the possibility of the creation of deepfake images and voice cloning through AI costing as little as £10 (using existing online tools such as Eleven Labs and D-ID) we might not be too far from more worrying cases. Imagine extremist organizations using this technology to create propaganda videos with the faked words of religious leaders or to misrepresent religious symbols.
Similarly, language models trained on extremist views could create outputs at scale to spew venom against particular faith groups, leading to hate crimes and community tensions.
Let’s next take a futuristic vision of AI and its intersection with faith. I would like to use the example of my Hindu faith to illustrate a 50-year future vision.
A key concept of the Hindu faith is purushartha, which outlines the four aims of human life: dharma (righteousness, moral values), artha (prosperity, economic values), kama (pleasure, psychological values), and moksha (spiritual values, self-actualisation).
In the next 50–100 years, AI is likely to become a co-pilot for all human endeavours including decision-making. For maintaining righteousness or dharma in the world, the algorithm and AI language models must be trained on data that is truthful and morally right.
This won’t be guaranteed unless we build this into regulatory frameworks currently being drawn up for AI. The advancement in AI will naturally accelerate humanity’s attainment of artha, or economic prosperity, as we enter a world of abundance with multiple technological convergences.
Based on the clamor for solutions to the growing problem of societal inequality, we could see forms of universal basic income become the norm globally. This will free up a lot of time – now spent on day jobs – for humanity to take up other pursuits. This would in the first instance be more time spent on pleasure or kama activities.
With more quality time on our hands, we could even see a revival in spiritual and faith-related pursuits (moksha activities). That would be an interesting outcome of AI’s growing influence on the world.
How AI could change our relationship with religion
AI could free up our time to an unprecedented degree, which will leave time for faith-based activities.
As @sravna and @renuka also echo, AI is going to become a mainstream part of our lives just like internet is now, whether we like it or not. So we need to be proactive in shaping it in such way that the integration aligns with societal values, i.e., purusharta as I argue in the Conversation piece. It is important that Indian cultural narrative / Hindu thought does not get missed out in this, when LLMs get trained on certain categories of content. My intention with the blog and podcast was to bring in that perspective. While what we need is reasonably certain, we need exploratory discussions like this forum and other public discussion to figure out how we can go about doing it.
sravna
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As I am continuously interacting with Gemini advanced version, to develop the math framework, i am discovering that they have done a good job. It has more or less perfect understanding and the ideas it tosses out are good, some very good. I actually adapted one such idea. Credit where credit is due
renuka
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It can stay..when the electric supply goes off, it wont exists.
When electric supply goes off we humans still can function.
renuka
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Is Gemini free?
sravna
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Gemini is free but Gemini advanced is paid
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