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[Ramacchandran]

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If we keep milk in copper vessel it turns curd. So as when we keep milk in Silver vessel it turns curd. When copper creates heat, the Silver cools what makes the milk to precipitate and turn curd.

Similarly when a red lotus is kept in an A/c room it turns blue in couple of hours. What in the room changes the color of the Lotus. What is the gas/ Chemical content in the room loose to gain the cooling and how our body responds to that?

When boiling milk what the milk looses so it comes up fast and thickens?

 

[sangom]

If we keep milk in copper vessel it turns curd. So as when we keep milk in Silver vessel it turns curd. When copper creates heat, the Silver cools what makes the milk to precipitate and turn curd.

Similarly when a red lotus is kept in an A/c room it turns blue in couple of hours. What in the room changes the color of the Lotus. What is the gas/ Chemical content in the room loose to gain the cooling and how our body responds to that?

When boiling milk what the milk looses so it comes up fast and thickens?

Shri Ramacchandran,

Even if milk is kept in a vessel made of cent per cent pure silver or gold, it may mostly turn rancid and not into tasty curds, unless some curd or lime juice or a drop of tamarind water (some people say so but I have not tried tamarind water) so that the desired type of good lactobacillii start growing in the milk, curdle it microscopically and create what we call curd. It is also relevant to note that this "curd making" requires external heat - not much - but it will not happen if the milk is kept in a refrigerator.

Regarding lotus I do not know. But when milk is boiled it loses its water content and ultimately becomes the casein which will then turn to carbon if further heated further.

 

[drsundaram]

If we keep milk in copper vessel it turns curd. So as when we keep milk in Silver vessel it turns curd. When copper creates heat, the Silver cools what makes the milk to precipitate and turn curd.

Similarly when a red lotus is kept in an A/c room it turns blue in couple of hours. What in the room changes the color of the Lotus. What is the gas/ Chemical content in the room loose to gain the cooling and how our body responds to that?

When boiling milk what the milk looses so it comes up fast and thickens?

Sir,
Each of your questions is different, I only have room for one.
What I know/learnt of is:
please note that copper (and silver) tend to make materials stored in them acidic. Copper does not "create heat", that is impossible, nor does silver cool, also impossible
And more info on milk
Re storing milk
first we need to understand what milk is, other than a just being a white liquid you get from mammary glands. Milk is an emulsion of fat, water, lactose (a type of sugar) and a mixture of proteins (loads of other stuff, but these are what we will talk about).
The small fat globules are surrounded by a skin of phospholipids and proteins, which are chemicals that help them stay as small globules in the mix, rather than clumping together into a big pat of butter. If you beat/churn the milk, that is exactly what happens - and is how you make butter from milk.
The water in the milk contains soluble proteins, which wander around by themselves in the liquid, and proteins which have one end which likes water, and one end which doesn't. Think of a match - a red head on one end, with a tail of wood trailing behind. In order for the "water hating" ends of the protein (the wood of the match) to stay away from the water they are floating in, these proteins arrange themselves into globules called micelles. Kind of like a circle of cows in a field standing in a protective circle, with all of the tails in the centre and a circle of heads looking outwards.
The proteins that do this are called caseins, there are four different types and they make up about 80% of the weight of the total protein in the milk. The outer layer of these micelles is make up of a type of casein known as kappa-casein, and the kappa casein reaches out a bit into the surrounding liquid. Under an electron microscope, each ball looks a bit like a little polystyrene ball (like you get in bean bags and the like), with a bit of a lumpy surface. The kappa-casein has a negative charge, and as like charges repel, all of the micelles stay away from each other - which keeps them in solution.
An acid is any chemical which loves to give (positively charged) proteins away, and the stronger the acid, the stronger the tendency to force proteins onto other chemicals (which usually breaks them down into simpler structures - this is the iconic "fizzing" you see in hollywood movies involving acids.)
As you add acid to milk, say by pouring in lemon juice, or by letting bacteria turn the milk sugar lactose into lactic acid, more and more positively charged proteins are given to the negatively charged kappa-casein, the kappa-casein loses its charge and so the casein micelles begin to clump together. Eventually the clumps become big enough to see - which are the lumps we call curds, and the process is called curdling. Good if you want to collect the curds to make cheese. Bad if you want a smooth drink or sauce!.

Source :Wiki answers[partly]
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[drsundaram]

If we keep milk in copper vessel it turns curd. So as when we keep milk in Silver vessel it turns curd. When copper creates heat, the Silver cools what makes the milk to precipitate and turn curd.

Similarly when a red lotus is kept in an A/c room it turns blue in couple of hours. What in the room changes the color of the Lotus. What is the gas/ Chemical content in the room loose to gain the cooling and how our body responds to that?

When boiling milk what the milk looses so it comes up fast and thickens?

I think, for your qtn on lotus "Flowers have enzymes and pigments within. With altered temperature they are released hence which color changes can occur. Red/blue sounds like an acid/base change. Were they in water, did they wilt & what was the make of container? Sounds like a good experiment to explore.

 

[Ramacchandran]

But Vedic Philosophy says something extra. When Milk within Copper Vessel with "Sami Viruksha leaves and samiths in it are to be used in Yagas and fire offerings. This when put in fire create a wave that creates a wave of smoke that when penetrate in our body create alertness both in body and mind.

For Saligrama pooja elders prefers Water stored in Silver sombhu and for drinking water they prefer water stored Copper Sombhu. When a man is mature he is cool as the body gets more hydrogen/ water in him that creates Kabha and that brings laziness in him. It is natural. If he wish to activate his mind and body he should remove that Kabha. Hence there are people who perform yagas in their home and elders prefers to visit the places where yagnas sit in the place for some time so that the waves penetrates in them through their skin and activate them.

In the A/c room, the Heating elements of oxygen may be Phosphates are removed by the nitrogen that is created by compressor that sucks Phosphates and creates a cool atmosphere . This reduces the size of our nerves throgh which blood circulates. Once you come out of this A/c room. the body to neutralise its heats sucks the heat and the body sweats a lot.

The phosphate from red lotus is taken away by the ammonia so that the ammonia deposits in the fibrils and alkalinity forms. Now refer this Lotus with human skin!

In few ayurveda books and manuscripts I found the doctors recommend to drink water in which red lotus is soaked for two hours. Similarly if a boy takes water soaked with white lotus he gets active brain. So poets on those days said, Saraswathi sits on Whites lotus and Lakshmi sits on Red lotus.

 

[sangom]

But Vedic Philosophy says something extra. When Milk within Copper Vessel with "Sami Viruksha leaves and samiths in it are to be used in Yagas and fire offerings. This when put in fire create a wave that creates a wave of smoke that when penetrate in our body create alertness both in body and mind.

For Saligrama pooja elders prefers Water stored in Silver sombhu and for drinking water they prefer water stored Copper Sombhu. When a man is mature he is cool as the body gets more hydrogen/ water in him that creates Kabha and that brings laziness in him. It is natural. If he wish to activate his mind and body he should remove that Kabha. Hence there are people who perform yagas in their home and elders prefers to visit the places where yagnas sit in the place for some time so that the waves penetrates in them through their skin and activate them.

In the A/c room, the Heating elements of oxygen may be Phosphates are removed by the nitrogen that is created by compressor that sucks Phosphates and creates a cool atmosphere . This reduces the size of our nerves throgh which blood circulates. Once you come out of this A/c room. the body to neutralise its heats sucks the heat and the body sweats a lot.

The phosphate from red lotus is taken away by the ammonia so that the ammonia deposits in the fibrils and alkalinity forms. Now refer this Lotus with human skin!

In few ayurveda books and manuscripts I found the doctors recommend to drink water in which red lotus is soaked for two hours. Similarly if a boy takes water soaked with white lotus he gets active brain. So poets on those days said, Saraswathi sits on Whites lotus and Lakshmi sits on Red lotus.

Shri Ramacchandran,

Despite all that has been written, all of us (including you, I feel) will rush to an allopathic doctor or an allopathic hospital at the very first symptom of "kapham" (it is कफम् and not कभम् , as per ayurveda) in the chest, especially for an old person (lest pneumonia sets in), and will not have any reliance on the "yaga waves" and all those things. It is also very clear that diseases were rampant when ayurveda developed as a possible remedy, and definitely the people in those days must have followed the esoteric principles contained in your post more faithfully and rigorously.

Lastly, just two or three days ago the Chennai High Court has allowed all ayurveda, homoeopathy, unani and siddha doctors to prescribe allopathic drugs for their patients; the petition was from the practitioners of indigenous medicine systems, I understand, and it was made because they are steadily losing credibility, except in the case of "hospice" services!!

 

[Ramacchandran]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bacteria-turned-into-silver-bullet-to-combat-common-cold/698644/

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=192508


Bacteria turned into 'silver bullet' to combat common cold



This is not new. The Ahathya Samhithai quotes that Iron in blood can be turned as gold to fight Cancer!

and this in later days misunderstood as Rasaavatha mentioning that Iron bars will be made as Gold Bars!

 

[sangom]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bacteria-turned-into-silver-bullet-to-combat-common-cold/698644/

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=192508


Bacteria turned into 'silver bullet' to combat common cold



This is not new. The Ahathya Samhithai quotes that Iron in blood can be turned as gold to fight Cancer!

and this in later days misunderstood as Rasaavatha mentioning that Iron bars will be made as Gold Bars!

Shri Ramacchandran,

I reproduce below some of the relevant extracts from The Telegraph news item:

"The bacteria used, Lactobacillus fermentum, is normally considered to be a "friendly" bacteria that is often found in yogurts and probiotic drinks that can help to aid digestion.

The researchers found that when grown in a solution of silver ions, the bacteria extrete tiny particles of silver, 10,000 times smaller than the width of a human hair, which stud the outside of the cells.

Although the bacteria eventually die as a result of the silver, they remain intact and the dead cells carrying the silver particles can then be added to solutions to create nasal sprays or handwashes.
...
Silver nanoparticles are already used in antimicrobial fabrics for sports wear clothing as they can help to reduce the growth of bacteria that can lead to the clothes smelling.

But there have been widespread concerns about applying such tiny particles in ways that could lead to them getting inside the human body.

Silver is already known to cause damage to the liver, kidneys and lungs in large enough amounts and there are fears that the small size of the particles could allow it to pass into other parts of the body and cause harm.

Professor Verstraete, however, claims that by attaching the silver to the outside of the Lactobacillus fermentum bacteria, the silver is fixed onto a larger object that cannot pass into other parts of the body."

It will be seen that the crucial point viz., whether the silver nano-particles attached to the dead bacillii get completely evacuated from the body or not, whether they get detached due to the action of body fluids, etc., have not been addressed satisfactorily. This appears to me as a half-baked research, the finding of which has been hurriedly published so that drug mfrs. can get a good profit in the near future. The after-effects will be known after millions have suffered irreparable loss/damage due to this new drug.

As regards iron in blood being converted into gold, you have not given how agastya samhitai proposes to go about it. Without that info. it will be difficult to say anything. Anyway, it is very different from this silver experiment, because the iron in blood will have to be first turned into gold and then this golden blood will have to be used as a medicine, if one has to have any similarity between them.

 

[Ramacchandran]

The iron in the atmosphere has 8 % vanadium , and this vanadium at high temperature when in air will not show any magnetic force and when the same is heated by the herbal oil smoke in the room, will create a magnetic force forms a salt, Vanadinite, this salt penetrates through the hair follicle of the skin mixes with the blood, converts this Iron in to lead which doesn’t allow the cancer cells to eat the heating elements of oxygen and make the blood thick and so the person affected by Cancer will not fell anemic[FONT=&quot][1][/FONT].

This finds a place in Agathya Samhitai as
[FONT=&quot]Yavaksharamayan dhanam Susuktha Jalasannidhau [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Achchdhayati thath thamaram swarnem rajathena tha[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Swarnaliptam thath thamaram [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Satha kumbham ithi smritham[FONT=&quot][2][/FONT].[/FONT]

In alchemy lead is looked upon as a dispeller of sorcery (The magician who makes the diseases disappear in light of the lamp). “To this lead Varuna gives blessings, Agni gives help, Indra gave me the lead; unfailingly (without fail) it dispels sorcery.[FONT=&quot][3][/FONT]

In Srauta Sutra there are verses quotes as she goat. This she goat in Sanskrit can be noted as a disease, and the eater of the iron cell is identified as Wolf. The she-Goat is the vehicle for Agni and Agni travels on the she Goat. Further there is a quote that the Darbha grass should be placed under the animal. Here we must take that the patient, who suffers from Cancer when treated with alchemy, the Nano way, should be seated on a mat made with Darbha grass, so that the Vibrations he gets should not be passed in to the Earth.[FONT=&quot][4][/FONT].

[FONT=&quot][1][/FONT] )V.G. Bhide, Massaaner effects and applications, Tata McGrow- Hill publicating Co., Ltd New Delhi
1973 pp-220-222

[FONT=&quot][2][/FONT] ) C.D.Chatterjee, Ed.Journal of U.P. Historical Siciety, Society Vol V part I “The Sage Agni” , Lucknow
1957 pp-30-36; Ahathya Samhithai ,Palm leaves No D 5050-5091 Oriental Manuscript Library
Chennai.

[FONT=&quot][3][/FONT] ) Praphulla Candra Ray, History of Hindu Chemistry Vol I Prithwis Chandra ray, Calcutta 1902 pp
(introduction) vi-vii

[FONT=&quot][4][/FONT] ) R.N.Dandekar, Ed, Sroutakosa, Vol I Part 2, Vaidikamsasodhana Mandala, Poona 1962 pp-411-418

 

[sangom]

The iron in the atmosphere has 8 % vanadium , and this vanadium at high temperature when in air will not show any magnetic force and when the same is heated by the herbal oil smoke in the room, will create a magnetic force forms a salt, Vanadinite, this salt penetrates through the hair follicle of the skin mixes with the blood, converts this Iron in to lead which doesn’t allow the cancer cells to eat the heating elements of oxygen and make the blood thick and so the person affected by Cancer will not fell anemic[FONT=&quot][1][/FONT].

This finds a place in Agathya Samhitai as
[FONT=&quot]Yavaksharamayan dhanam Susuktha Jalasannidhau [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Achchdhayati thath thamaram swarnem rajathena tha[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Swarnaliptam thath thamaram [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Satha kumbham ithi smritham[FONT=&quot][2][/FONT].[/FONT]

In alchemy lead is looked upon as a dispeller of sorcery (The magician who makes the diseases disappear in light of the lamp). “To this lead Varuna gives blessings, Agni gives help, Indra gave me the lead; unfailingly (without fail) it dispels sorcery.[FONT=&quot][3][/FONT]

In Srauta Sutra there are verses quotes as she goat. This she goat in Sanskrit can be noted as a disease, and the eater of the iron cell is identified as Wolf. The she-Goat is the vehicle for Agni and Agni travels on the she Goat. Further there is a quote that the Darbha grass should be placed under the animal. Here we must take that the patient, who suffers from Cancer when treated with alchemy, the Nano way, should be seated on a mat made with Darbha grass, so that the Vibrations he gets should not be passed in to the Earth.[FONT=&quot][4][/FONT].

[FONT=&quot][1][/FONT] )V.G. Bhide, Massaaner effects and applications, Tata McGrow- Hill publicating Co., Ltd New Delhi
1973 pp-220-222

[FONT=&quot][2][/FONT] ) C.D.Chatterjee, Ed.Journal of U.P. Historical Siciety, Society Vol V part I “The Sage Agni” , Lucknow
1957 pp-30-36; Ahathya Samhithai ,Palm leaves No D 5050-5091 Oriental Manuscript Library
Chennai.

[FONT=&quot][3][/FONT] ) Praphulla Candra Ray, History of Hindu Chemistry Vol I Prithwis Chandra ray, Calcutta 1902 pp
(introduction) vi-vii

[FONT=&quot][4][/FONT] ) R.N.Dandekar, Ed, Sroutakosa, Vol I Part 2, Vaidikamsasodhana Mandala, Poona 1962 pp-411-418

Shri Ramacchandran,

Your data and your sources seem to be peculiar.

1.What Is the Chemical Composition of Air?Nearly all of the Earth's atmosphere is made up of only five gases: nitrogen, oxygen, water vapor, argon, and carbon dioxide. Several other compounds also are present. Although this CRC table does not list water vapor, air can contain as much as 5% water vapor, more commonly ranging from 1-3%. The 1-5% range places water vapor as the third most common gas (which alters the other percentages accordingly).
Answer: This is composition of air in percent by volume, at sea level at 15°C and 101325 Pa. Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084%
Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%
Argon -- Ar -- 0.934%
Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314%
Neon -- Ne -- 0.001818%
Methane -- CH4 -- 0.0002%
Helium -- He -- 0.000524%
Krypton -- Kr -- 0.000114%
Hydrogen -- H2 -- 0.00005%
Xenon -- Xe -- 0.0000087%
Ozone -- O3 -- 0.000007%
Nitrogen Dioxide -- NO2 -- 0.000002%
Iodine -- I2 -- 0.000001%
Carbon Monoxide -- CO -- trace
Ammonia -- NH3 -- trace
Reference: CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, edited by David R. Lide, 1997.


You will thus observe that iron is present only in trace. If earth's atmosphere had enough iron all of us would have long ago become acute asthmatics and died also.


Now we come to vanadium. It is very different element. vanadinite is a mineral Pb3(VO4)3 Cl, an ore of lead and vanadium found only on earth's surface, not in air. Can you cite some reference where they have successfully demonstrated creation of vanadinite through interaction of atmospheric vanadium with the herbal oil (what herbal oil?) smoke?


Similarly, as you seem to be quite thorough with chemistry, can you kindly give the chemical equations for vanadinite reacting with iron (in the blood) and converting the iron into lead?


All that you say looks somewhat too farfetched.


Next, lead is a deadly poison. Once it enters the body, it can not be ejected, not even one atom of it will get out. Some other metals like cadmium**, vanadium, etc., are also equally deadly poisons. And there are large number of gullible people who may read this and try all these with fatal consequences.If you don't believe, please make it a point to eat in a lead plate from tomorrow, tell your allopathic doctor and then see what happens to you in say, one year. Even asking your grandchild to eat his/her dry tiffin, buiscuits etc. placed on printed newspaper which still contains lead (despite government ban) in India and the child's skeleton will become brittle by the time he is 25 or 30 years.



Lastly, please do not make yourself a laughing stock unless you can scientifically back-up your statements.


** A colleague of mine took two bottles of some ayurvedic medicine and died of cadmium poisoning. The ayurvedic doctor must have had odd notions and beliefs like those you have!!

 

[Ramacchandran]

This forum I am sharing my views what I read in Vedas. I am not a wealthy person to install a lab and undertake tests. I am presenting here what I read and it is up to some one to take the work and follow. When vanadium is in Earth why can't it spread in air? will it go inside the earth? Ok., will not the vanadium in earth will penetrate through the roots of the trees/ herbal plant that gives the quality of vanadium? Will you argue that vanadium can not be sucked by the roots of the plants and can you prove that? The air passes through earth and the combination of air depends on the quality of the Earth. Scolding is easy as if everyone thinks that they (alone) are intellectuals. If we tell the truth of nature some who doesn't know may oppose instead of going in to it. Don't compare Hindu Chemistry with European Chemistry. European Chemistry is to go a long way to reach Hindu alchemy. It may take more than 100 years.
If you go through the records of Vedas Ravana who authored Arka Prakasika quotes about the pregnancy and precautions to be taken during child birth. The same was written by caraka but the name of the original author the Ravana was hidden. But in later dates The westerners wanted name and fame and wanted to control the world says more. at one time they say By chewing chocolates heart diseases won't come. But doctors say that it will spoil the gems. So you are loosing one thing to gain one.

Further in olden days the physicians didn't asked the patients to continue the drug they gave, but changed the medicine according to the environments and improvements which was told in the form of a story.

I request you read my posting once again and see how it support each points. You said the composition of air. Ok where it is like that you mentioned? is it in Tamil Nadu or in U.S or in Europe?? What is difference from one place to another?

Then did the scientists analysed the chemical combination of Sea water from South Pole to North Pole? Ok then why they are not getting a good quality of salt like that of South Tamil Nadu?

It is natural when a man try to present the truth that will get many questions that I welcome.

I am clear in my presentation that the environment plays a major role in forming diseases and if we improve the quality of atmosphere by lighting with herbal oils will certainly improve our health and mind.

 

[Ramacchandran]

Dear Sangom,
You said
composition of air in percent by volume, at sea level at 15°C and 101325 Pa. Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084%
Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%
Argon -- Ar -- 0.934%
Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314%
Neon -- Ne -- 0.001818%
Methane -- CH4 -- 0.0002%
Helium -- He -- 0.000524%
Krypton -- Kr -- 0.000114%
Hydrogen -- H2 -- 0.00005%
Xenon -- Xe -- 0.0000087%
Ozone -- O3 -- 0.000007%
Nitrogen Dioxide -- NO2 -- 0.000002%
Iodine -- I2 -- 0.000001%
Carbon Monoxide -- CO -- trace
Ammonia -- NH3 -- trace
Reference: CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, edited by David R. Lide, 1997.

Ok how the Scientist measured the air content? by an apparatus ok. Can you name it?

Now if you bring the equipment to India, measure the quality of air in a yagasala before conducting an Yaga with herbal sticks, and during the Yagna, immediatly after the conclusion of Yaga after an hour of the Yaga this is first.

Now second, Measure the quality of air at a room. Then bring all cancer patients in the same room measure the quality of air when all the patients are staying in the room for an hour, two and four hours. Ten send them out measure the quality of air and analyst the room content.

Third Light a lamp with herbal oil for an hour measure the air quality.

see the difference.

Now the Vanadium in the earth can be burnt. You grow a herbal in the Earth that contains the mineral, the Herbal will bring the juices of the Earth quality to its Leaves and Sticks. Then create smoke the smoke will emit Vanadium.

Here in my place there is a burial ground. The Ground keeper planted few Keerais in the ground and brought the same for sales in the market. My wife bought that and cooked. It smelt ash when boiled, and brought a steam with unbearable smell. So the ash that was in the burial ground was taken by the Vegetable plant that let the smoke/ steam.

So the content of the Earth can be pulled up if you plant a herbal.

 

[sangom]

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This forum I am sharing my views what I read in Vedas.

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[FONT=&quot]I did not know that you are sharing your views on what you read in "Vedas".[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Agastya samhita is not generally considered as veda or even as vedAnga; it is an Agama within the pAncarAtra tantras. Anyway that is only a minor point.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Coming to your post # 9 above, you have stated that, “The iron in the atmosphere has 8 % vanadium , and this vanadium at high temperature when in air will not show any magnetic force and when the same is heated by the herbal oil smoke in the room, will create a magnetic force forms a salt, Vanadinite, this salt penetrates through the hair follicle of the skin mixes with the blood, converts this Iron in to lead which doesn’t allow the cancer cells to eat the heating elements of oxygen and make the blood thick and so the person affected by Cancer will not fell anemic[1].”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I had raised reservations about the above statements themselves. But instead of proving your point/s with suppporting evidence and/or arguments, you have stated, among other things that “I am presenting here what I read and it is up to some one to take the work and follow.” If even this stand of yours is to be accepted, what you write should be logical, at least apparently.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Next you state, “This finds a place in Agathya Samhitai as” and follow it up with a Sanskrit SlOka. From my limited command of English I feel this would mean that what was stated above in English by you, finds expression in the said SlOka. Pl. tell me whether this conclusion is correct or not.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Taking my conclusion as right, the SlOka, as under, does not seem to have any relevance to all that you said earlier. Since my knowledge of Veda/s, Sanskrit as also chemistry are very rudimentary, I request you to explain as to how the SlOka expresses what you said.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Yavaksharamayan dhanam Susuktha Jalasannidhau[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Achchdhayati thath thamaram swarnem rajathena tha[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Swarnaliptam thath thamaram[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Satha kumbham ithi smritham[2].[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][1] )V.G. Bhide, Massaaner effects and applications, Tata McGrow- Hill publicating Co., Ltd New Delhi[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1973 pp-220-222[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][2] ) C.D.Chatterjee, Ed.Journal of U.P. Historical Siciety, Society Vol V part I “The Sage Agni” , Lucknow[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1957 pp-30-36; Ahathya Samhithai ,Palm leaves No D 5050-5091 Oriental Manuscript Library[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Chennai.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The reference at [1] is not available in the internet; the next of course will not be. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Will you be kind enough to elucidate how and where the stanza refers to vanadium, high temperature, herbal oil and its smoke, salt (vanadinite), penetrating the hair follicle/s, converting iron ions in the haemoglobin into lead ions (without damaging the blood), and whether the SlOka states about or whether anyone has done any experiment (it need not be you) to conclusively prove that lead ion in the haemoglobin protein prevents cancer cells from "eating the heating elements of oxygen"? Further, where are the references for the statement of yours that if the "heating element of oxygen" in the blood is "eaten", the blood becomes thin and the person becomes "anemic"?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]To make it easy for you to reply to me I give below my objections.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]AFAIK, yavakshAra [/FONT]யவக்ஷார [FONT=&quot]refers to a medicine used in ayurveda and perhaps in siddha also. Can you kindly explain what it means? [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]jalasannidhau[/FONT][FONT=&quot] = in the presence of water; thamaram (taamram?) = copper; swarnem (swarnena?) = by gold; rajathena = by silver; [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]swarnaliptam[/FONT][FONT=&quot] = gold-plated; thath thamaram (tat tAmram) = that copper; satha kumbham = hundred pots ( there are two other possible correct words in the place of "Satakumbham". These are, Satakumbha [/FONT]சதகும்ப [FONT=&quot]= Nerium Odorum or sweet-scented oleander or karaveera [/FONT]அரளி[FONT=&quot], [/FONT]அடுக்கரளி[FONT=&quot], and SatakumbhA [/FONT]சதகும்பா[FONT=&quot]=Phyalis Flexuosa, winter cherry or [/FONT]அமுக்கிரம்[FONT=&quot])[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The words (yavakshAra)mayan dhanam, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Achchdhayati,tha[/FONT][FONT=&quot] do not show any cogent meaning. Therefore, kindly explain how these lines will relate to vanadium, vanadinite, herbal oil smoke, iron in blood, lead, cancer cells, anemia etc.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Now I come to your post # 11. You take umbrage at my simple enquiry as to whether your statements in your post have been certified to be true by anyone; my exact query to you was, “Can you cite some reference where they have successfully demonstrated creation of vanadinite through interaction of atmospheric vanadium with the herbal oil (what herbal oil?) smoke?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It will be clear that I did not ask you whether you have done any experiment. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]You ask, “When vanadium is in Earth why can't it spread in air?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There are many chemical compounds on the surface and inside earth. Do you think all of them evaporate at atmospheric temperatures and go up like water vapour, into the atmosphere? If nature had obeyed your imaginary law, we would now find gold, silver, sodium, potassium etc. salts, as also uranium, thorium and other radio-active items which will be highly dangerous for almost all life forms except perhaps [/FONT]கரப்பான் பூச்சி [FONT=&quot]which has very high resistance to atomic radiation.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Ok., will not the vanadium in earth will penetrate through the roots of the trees/ herbal plant that gives the quality of vanadium? Will you argue that vanadium can not be sucked by the roots of the plants and can you prove that?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] Sir, vanadium is not there on earth’s surface like bommai in a bommai kolu, just separate and ready for absorption. FYI, vanadium is found only as a mineral vanadinite which yields more of lead and some vanadium also. The element vanadium is got after complicated chemical processes. This mineral is found only in deep mines and that too in arid areas. Hence not many trees or vegetables which become food for humans grow in such areas. There is some very small presence of vanadium in food but when the level goes up due to external causes like nearby industrial sources, especially oil refineries and power plants using vanadium rich fuel oil and coal, the high content starts giving trouble. Global human-made atmospheric releases of vanadium has been estimated to be greater than vanadium releases due to natural sources. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Plants do absorb vanadium if present in the soil. But so far food with very high vanadium content has not become a problem. Cigarette smoke contains high concentration of vanadium. Vanadium is toxic. A number of effects have been found in rats and mice ingesting several vanadium compounds. The effects include: Decrease in number of red blood cells, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Increased blood pressure, Mild neurological effects. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lung cancer has been found in mice exposed to vanadium pentoxide. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has determined that vanadium is possibly carcinogenic to humans.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The air passes through earth and the combination of air depends on the quality of the Earth.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] That air passes through the earth is news to me. Is it from one pole to another or near the equator through the diameter of the earth?[/FONT]

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Don't compare Hindu Chemistry with European Chemistry. European Chemistry is to go a long way to reach Hindu alchemy. It may take more than 100 years.

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[FONT=&quot]Now, I understand where you come from. I withdraw from this discussion and ask for your forgiveness.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]But, if at any time in your life, you become aware that it is the european chemistry, and not your much-vaunted Hindu Alchemy, which gives you everything from A to Z in your life, including the allopathic medicines, the modes of conveyances you use successfully, the very many items of day-to-day use varying from the stainless steel utensils, to plastic items, to the glass frames, even the monitor panel, stand, UPS and mouse for your computer, please remember this nincompoop.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Since you have so much faith and pride in your “Hindu Alchemy” and utter contempt for European Chemistry, I expect that you should, as a conscientious person, avoid all the products from European Chemistry and stick to only those found out by Hindu Alchemy. BTW, did Hindu Alchemy find out “vanadium”? If so can you furnish the evidence? [/FONT]

 

[Ramacchandran]

Dear Sangom,
You said
composition of air in percent by volume, at sea level at 15°C and 101325 Pa. Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084%
Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%
Argon -- Ar -- 0.934%
Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314%
Neon -- Ne -- 0.001818%
Methane -- CH4 -- 0.0002%
Helium -- He -- 0.000524%
Krypton -- Kr -- 0.000114%
Hydrogen -- H2 -- 0.00005%
Xenon -- Xe -- 0.0000087%
Ozone -- O3 -- 0.000007%
Nitrogen Dioxide -- NO2 -- 0.000002%
Iodine -- I2 -- 0.000001%
Carbon Monoxide -- CO -- trace
Ammonia -- NH3 -- trace
Reference: CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, edited by David R. Lide, 1997.

Ok how the Scientist measured the air content? by an apparatus ok. Can you name it?

Now if you bring the equipment to India, measure the quality of air in a yagasala before conducting an Yaga with herbal sticks, and during the Yagna, immediatly after the conclusion of Yaga after an hour of the Yaga this is first.

Now second, Measure the quality of air at a room. Then bring all cancer patients in the same room measure the quality of air when all the patients are staying in the room for an hour, two and four hours. Ten send them out measure the quality of air and analyst the room content.

Third Light a lamp with herbal oil for an hour measure the air quality.

see the difference.

Now the Vanadium in the earth can be burnt. You grow a herbal in the Earth that contains the mineral, the Herbal will bring the juices of the Earth quality to its Leaves and Sticks. Then create smoke the smoke will emit Vanadium.

Here in my place there is a burial ground. The Ground keeper planted few Keerais in the ground and brought the same for sales in the market. My wife bought that and cooked. It smelt ash when boiled, and brought a steam with unbearable smell. So the ash that was in the burial ground was taken by the Vegetable plant that let the smoke/ steam.

So the content of the Earth can be pulled up if you plant a herbal.

Dear Sangom,
You didn't mentioned about the equipment that was used to measure the air content.

Secondly I request you to let me know if any Indian Universities using this equipment.

You also read in book ok you didn't saw the equipment and how it worked etc.,

You too a book worm like me!

Ok please go through the above quoted text and give me a best answer

 

[sangom]

Dear Sangom,
You didn't mentioned about the equipment that was used to measure the air content.

Secondly I request you to let me know if any Indian Universities using this equipment.

You also read in book ok you didn't saw the equipment and how it worked etc.,

You too a book worm like me!

Ok please go through the above quoted text and give me a best answer

Shri Ramacchandran,

My post #13 makes it clear that I would respond further depending on your reply to my points raised therein.
And, at last when I found that you are still living in the age of "Hindu Alchemy", deriding western chemistry but shamelessly using whatever they have offered, I have withdrawn from any further discussion, because I feel it won't be possible even for Agastya to convince you that you are praising some primitive pseudo-science (and that too citing some irrelevant SlOka) and using the benefits of what Agastya himself would have vouchsafed as the correct science if he were to come today.

If you are in a position to answer the points in my post #13, I will write further. In the meantime you may very well unearth the vast secrets of Hindu Alchemy which, according to you, is the shape of science 100 years hence. Who knows you may get a Nobel Prize also in that process!

 

[Ramacchandran]

Please visit the web

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[Ramacchandran]

The book what you referred was

Reference: CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, edited by David R. Lide, 1997.

Before that you can find this in
Samuel S.Butcher, Introduction to Air Chemistry, Academic Press, Newyork 1972 pp-4-5