Value of Assets Submitted by Politicians in India...

[T.S.Sankara Narayanan]

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In Today's News Paper all politicians submitted a " Bogus Statements " about Their Wealth in hand as on Date...

This is purely Fraud but Nothing and Flashed in a Mottive to Cheat The People...

For example M.K.Azagiri has stated that his house in TVS Nagar will worth about just 60 lakhs.He also stated that it is a 10 cents property.

The land value itself in TVS nagar is about 10 lakhs per cent.Apart from it it is a massive house.

If any body ask it for 80 lakhs , will he give it for sale ?

The Income tax department is just a Doll in the hands of Ruling Party.

Does it have Guts to Value the house and give a Feed Back ?.

The Election Commission of India must Look in to the Properties submitted by Politicians and conduct a detailed Valuation of each and every property submitted by Politicians.

 

[niyengaar]

that is how sonia g , rahul g, parle g and manmohan singh "take care" of corruption in a "parliamentarian" manner.

no wonder all those parle g s were missing when people backed up anna ji.

good thing is - now everybody will know how pathetic our govt. is - everybody will know how much their MPs ve quoted and how much they are actually worth ...

btw , did ala giri 's assets include that temple land he snatched to construct road to his daya IT park ?

 

[ShivKC]

today's CBI raid in karnataka ministers family, the iron ore mining barons, groomed by ex CM yeddiyurappa.....

the CBI team found Rs 3 crore in cash and 30 kgs of gold. At Srinivasa's house, the investigating team found Rs 1.45 crore cash and gold ornaments.

our man is now cooling his heels in jail. a hero who once attempted to throw yeddy's bjp govt

Janardhana Reddy sent to jail; Rs 3cr cash, 30 kg gold seized - The Times of India

 

[Yamaka]

In Today's News Paper all politicians submitted a " Bogus Statements " about Their Wealth in hand as on Date...

This is purely Fraud but Nothing and Flashed in a Mottive to Cheat The People...

For example M.K.Azagiri has stated that his house in TVS Nagar will worth about just 60 lakhs.He also stated that it is a 10 cents property.

The land value itself in TVS nagar is about 10 lakhs per cent.Apart from it it is a massive house.

If any body ask it for 80 lakhs , will he give it for sale ?

The Income tax department is just a Doll in the hands of Ruling Party.

Does it have Guts to Value the house and give a Feed Back ?.

The Election Commission of India must Look in to the Properties submitted by Politicians and conduct a detailed Valuation of each and every property submitted by Politicians.

The value given is acquisition price.. and not the current market price which could oscillate very much!

If the real estate crashes, as it did in Japan, Spain, US etc recently, the market price could go BELOW acquisition price!

Then, what will you say?

 

[Yamaka]

that is how sonia g , rahul g, parle g and manmohan singh "take care" of corruption in a "parliamentarian" manner.

no wonder all those parle g s were missing when people backed up anna ji.

good thing is - now everybody will know how pathetic our govt. is - everybody will know how much their MPs ve quoted and how much they are actually worth ...

btw , did ala giri 's assets include that temple land he snatched to construct road to his daya IT park ?

Will our self-proclaimed Gandhian - the jet traveling Private Hospital visiting - Annaji publish his audited balance sheet of his NGO soon?

Who are all his Corporate Sponsors?

Oh, No... don't include NGOs in your anti-Corruption drive! Because that's the province of our Annaji! LoL

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Will our self-proclaimed Gandhian - the jet traveling Private Hospital visiting - Annaji publish his audited balance sheet of his NGO soon?

Who are all his Corporate Sponsors?

Oh, No... don't include NGOs in your anti-Corruption drive! Because that's the province of our Annaji! LoL

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I cannot understand the reason behind this compelling urge to defend the crooked politicians at the expense of someone, who stands to gain nothing personally, fighting against them.

 

[Yamaka]

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I cannot understand the reason behind this compelling urge to defend the crooked politicians at the expense of someone, who stands to gain nothing personally, fighting against them.

I have not defended any crooked politician... I have attacked Mu Ka and J Jaya on their "Acquisition of Assets beyond their income" etc.

I know for a fact that Corruption is ubiquitous in India - in all walks of life, all pervasive...

Also, I want to know who this Annaji is?

A Manchurian Candidate propelled by the Corporates to save their skin to grab power from the Elected Gov't... or a true Gandhian?

Do you know who's bankrolling his activities? Who paid for the Ramlila Hoopla? Who paid for his private hospital stay? Who paid for his air ticket to fly from New Delhi to his village?

Why did he spend Rs.220,000 for his birthday celebration (Savant Commission)?

I don't think Gandhiji ever behaved like it using public funds.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

The value given is acquisition price.. and not the current market price which could oscillate very much!

If the real estate crashes, as it did in Japan, Spain, US etc recently, the market price could go BELOW acquisition price!

Then, what will you say?

So this becomes a technical question.

What value should be used when one declares one's assets? Market price or Acquisition price?

Suppose someone acquired land way back in 1960s in south Madras for a pittance, would they be paying property taxes on the acquisition price or the current market price?

Despite Yamaka's assertions, I am sorry to say I only see inane reasoning from him defending the corrupt.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

The Anna Hazare movement is against corruption; corruption that the elected govt indulges happily in collusion with corporate power.

To suggest that this movement is a ploy by corporate to grab power from socialist, poor-people-loving Indian government is to buy into the government propaganda completely without any critical thinking.

 

[Yamaka]

So this becomes a technical question.

What value should be used when one declares one's assets? Market price or Acquisition price?

Suppose someone acquired land way back in 1960s in south Madras for a pittance, would they be paying property taxes on the acquisition price or the current market price?

Despite Yamaka's assertions, I am sorry to say I only see inane reasoning from him defending the corrupt.

Let's clarify this once for all:

Election Commission requires that each registered candidate declare their asset following a given methodology.

For the TN: What was the methodology used in the 2011 Election?

For the Central: What was the methodology used in 2009 National Election?

My recollection is both used the Acquisition Price and the year the property was acquired must be spelled out... please correct me, if this is wrong.

Cheers.

ps. No, I will never support the Corrupt, and the corrupt practices... In fact, I will prefer that all elected officials must publish online their Income Tax Return and details of their Assets for every year in Office.

 

[Nara]

The Anna Hazare movement is against corruption; corruption that the elected govt indulges happily in collusion with corporate power.

To suggest that this movement is a ploy by corporate to grab power from socialist, poor-people-loving Indian government is to buy into the government propaganda completely without any critical thinking.

KB, I had a long exchange with narayan (Zebra16) on this issue. My last post in that exchange is here which remains unanswered.

As I have shown in that exchange, AH's proposal is way off the mark. I took the time and trouble to read through AH's proposal. It is primarily directed against mid-level government officials, a penny-wise-pound-foolish attempt. Corruption by petty government officials is bad no doubt, but at least the public will get something in return.

A little bit of critical thinking, one that you uncritically accuse us of lacking, will show that mid-level petty corruption, in spite of being quite frustrating, at least provides a dependable service in return. On the contrary, the corruption arising out of the nexus between big corporate bigwigs and the establishment political power is nothing but wicked daylight robbery, looting of the public treasury in broad daylight.

Team Anna seems very agitated with the former form of corruption, the petty kind, one that is more a quid pro quo than wholesale looting of the treasury, and quite lackadaisical about the later, one that actually robs the entire nation enriching just a few who, for the uncritical will just by coincidence be, AH's sponsors.

I submit to you, AH is about (i) riding the public frustration about petty corruption and (ii) use it to divert the public attention from the massive thievery being perpetrated by his paymasters -- mega corporations.

Critical thinking, yes it is a good idea, for those who want to blindly support AH.

Cheers!

 

[கால பைரவன்]

KB, I had a long exchange with narayan (Zebra16) on this issue. My last post in that exchange is here which remains unanswered.

As I have shown in that exchange, AH's proposal is way off the mark. I took the time and trouble to read through AH's proposal. It is primarily directed against mid-level government officials, a penny-wise-pound-foolish attempt. Corruption by petty government officials is bad no doubt, but at least the public will get something in return.

A little bit of critical thinking, one that you uncritically accuse us of lacking, will show that mid-level petty corruption, in spite of being quite frustrating, at least provides a dependable service in return. On the contrary, the corruption arising out of the nexus between big corporate bigwigs and the establishment political power is nothing but wicked daylight robbery, looting of the public treasury in broad daylight.

Team Anna seems very agitated with the former form of corruption, the petty kind, one that is more a quid pro quo than wholesale looting of the treasury, and quite lackadaisical about the later, one that actually robs the entire nation enriching just a few who, for the uncritical will just by coincidence be, AH's sponsors.

I submit to you, AH is about (i) riding the public frustration about petty corruption and (ii) use it to divert the public attention from the massive thievery being perpetrated by his paymasters -- mega corporations.

Critical thinking, yes it is a good idea, for those who want to blindly support AH.

Cheers!

Nara, I am aware of your position w.r.t JLP bill. Your opposition to the bill is different from the blanket opposition seen from few members here. These members are creating an impression that the current govt is clean and JLP is a conspiracy against a democratically elected govt. To me, that seems to be buying into a well crafted govt propaganda.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Nara, As we engage in this discussion, efforts are underway to show that the 2G scam, the mother of all scams, was not a scam at all. Have you been following the recent claims by TRAI or the fact that CBI did not even question Maran on the issue despite the submission by one of his aides that there were deliberate delays at the behest of the minister w.r.t. processing of Aircel files?

 

[niyengaar]

Will our self-proclaimed Gandhian - the jet traveling Private Hospital visiting - Annaji publish his audited balance sheet of his NGO soon?

Who are all his Corporate Sponsors?

Oh, No... don't include NGOs in your anti-Corruption drive! Because that's the province of our Annaji! LoL

well , to put it mildly , the only people who ve bought the argument that Anna and co are corrupted ( or say anybody who opposes Congress is Corrupted ) , are the ones who just do Not want to accept their party's mistake. They are just trying to "make themselves believe" that they / their party are right / ve always been right.

They just dont want to accept that their party did a mistake. They will be ready to blame every body else to "create justifications".


An Egoistic party / person will never put up his hand and say "I was wrong". And Only when a person accepts his mistake, will he ever be able to work on correcting it.


Really, it does not matter whether Anna / Kejriwal / Rajnikanth / Salman Khan / the beggar down the street / the cow producing our milk are all corrupt or not.

It was about the Government and Congress. And whether others are corrupt or not - chages nothing about whether Government and Congress are corrupt or not.

Only immature kids blame others instead of accpeting mistakes. An act of shame and fear. A mature party / person would ve just shut up and put its hand up to apoligise.
Surely not congress which sent Mr Sibal to say that "there is ZERO loss to the ex-chequer in 2G Auction" / or which made CBI say that "the Marans and their money are snow - white - and the BSNL cables around his place, invisible" !

 

[sangom]

They just dont want to accept that their party did a mistake. They will be ready to blame every body else to "create justifications".


An Egoistic party / person will never put up his hand and say "I was wrong". And Only when a person accepts his mistake, will he ever be able to work on correcting it.
...

It was about the Government and Congress. And whether others are corrupt or not - chages nothing about whether Government and Congress are corrupt or not.

Only immature kids blame others instead of accpeting mistakes. An act of shame and fear. A mature party / person would ve just shut up and put its hand up to apoligise.

I am wondering as to what will be the conclusion arrived at if the general principles enunciated above by Shri Iyengaar (viz.,blame every body else to "create justifications",An Egoistic party / person will never put up his hand and say "I was wrong", Only immature kids blame others instead of accpeting mistakes. An act of shame and fear. A mature party / person would ve just shut up and put its hand up to apoligise.)
are applied to the line of arguments usually put forward in this Forum by some of our members, e.g., this thread.

 

[Yamaka]

well , to put it mildly , the only people who ve bought the argument that Anna and co are corrupted ( or say anybody who opposes Congress is Corrupted ) , are the ones who just do Not want to accept their party's mistake. They are just trying to "make themselves believe" that they / their party are right / ve always been right.

They just dont want to accept that their party did a mistake. They will be ready to blame every body else to "create justifications".


An Egoistic party / person will never put up his hand and say "I was wrong". And Only when a person accepts his mistake, will he ever be able to work on correcting it.


Really, it does not matter whether Anna / Kejriwal / Rajnikanth / Salman Khan / the beggar down the street / the cow producing our milk are all corrupt or not.

It was about the Government and Congress. And whether others are corrupt or not - chages nothing about whether Government and Congress are corrupt or not.

Only immature kids blame others instead of accpeting mistakes. An act of shame and fear. A mature party / person would ve just shut up and put its hand up to apoligise.
Surely not congress which sent Mr Sibal to say that "there is ZERO loss to the ex-chequer in 2G Auction" / or which made CBI say that "the Marans and their money are snow - white - and the BSNL cables around his place, invisible" !

Well.. Let's see what we are talking about here -

1. Your understanding of "Corruption, Bribery, Graft and Abuse of Power" seems to be very superficial...

My view is it is in all walks of Society - it is not restricted to one political Party or the other - ALL political parties, including BJP, AIADMK, DMK and Congress and others are fully involved.

2. This you should accept, if you want propose comprehensive SOLUTIONS. There is no EGO involved here... it's a cultural problem.. a recent poll showed that young educated people wanted to "bribe their way up in life" and they think "it's their basic RIGHT".

3. It definitely matters to ME and billion others in India whether Anna / K'Wal / Kiran Bedi / Other agitators in the street are corrupt or not....

You may have a selective morality... No.. I don't have that kind of discrimination.

4. No... you are not seeing the whole picture... It has nothing to do with Congress... Corruption is Society's Problem... we have already very many laws against it.. nothing could be enforced because the Integrity and Professionalism among People is very low... so unless you look at the issue organically, no new law can CHANGE anything... Jan Lokpal will create NEW MONSTERS that will ravage the country even MORE.

5. Only the self proclaimed Puritans will look for easy fix without knowing the crux of the issue. An apology is not a SOLUTION... your understanding of the enormity of the problem is mind boggling...

6. Well CBI is investigating very many issues already... what will happen at the end of the court trial is not known... Wait and Watch before you throw your "value judgments" on others.... the issues are complex, like

In 2G, Telecom Regulatory Authority of India (TRAI) recommended to the Govt NOT to auction it to the highest bidder... but to sell it on a "First Qualified First Served" basis for a nominal price. That's what Arun Shouri, Maran and A Raja did... then how in the world CAG can claim that there was a 1.75 lakh crore "paper loss" occurred because of A. Raja?

All humbug...

7. Since you seem to love political parties so much, just follow what's happening in Karnataka regarding Bellary Barons...

Who is funding Anna's campaign? What Corporates are behind his Hoopla?

 

[niyengaar]

I am wondering as to what will be the conclusion arrived at if the general principles enunciated above by Shri Iyengaar (viz.,blame every body else to "create justifications",An Egoistic party / person will never put up his hand and say "I was wrong", Only immature kids blame others instead of accpeting mistakes. An act of shame and fear. A mature party / person would ve just shut up and put its hand up to apoligise.)
are applied to the line of arguments usually put forward in this Forum by some of our members, e.g., this thread.

EXACTLY.


The Govt has been throwing accusations against Anna and the Congress and its supporters fail to put up their hand and accept their mistake here.


The Brahman haters are throwing accusations against Brahmans and the Anti-Brahman brigade fail to put up their hands and accept that they need to accept others for what they are instead of demanding them to un-brahmanize.



Different issues , same principles - Right Conclusion. Well spotted !







btw ... ... ... ...

 

[niyengaar]

Well.. Let's see what we are talking about here -

1. Your understanding of "Corruption, Bribery, Graft and Abuse of Power" seems to be very superficial...

My view is it is in all walks of Society - it is not restricted to one political Party or the other - ALL political parties, including BJP, AIADMK, DMK and Congress and others are fully involved.

2. This you should accept, if you want propose comprehensive SOLUTIONS. There is no EGO involved here... it's a cultural problem.. a recent poll showed that young educated people wanted to "bribe their way up in life" and they think "it's their basic RIGHT".

3. It definitely matters to ME and billion others in India whether Anna / K'Wal / Kiran Bedi / Other agitators in the street are corrupt or not....

You may have a selective morality... No.. I don't have that kind of discrimination.

4. No... you are not seeing the whole picture... It has nothing to do with Congress... Corruption is Society's Problem... we have already very many laws against it.. nothing could be enforced because the Integrity and Professionalism among People is very low... so unless you look at the issue organically, no new law can CHANGE anything... Jan Lokpal will create NEW MONSTERS that will ravage the country even MORE.

5. Only the self proclaimed Puritans will look for easy fix without knowing the crux of the issue. An apology is not a SOLUTION... your understanding of the enormity of the problem is mind boggling...

6. Well CBI is investigating very many issues already... what will happen at the end of the court trial is not known... Wait and Watch before you throw your "value judgments" on others.... the issues are complex, like

In 2G, Telecom Regulatory Authority of India (TRAI) recommended to the Govt NOT to auction it to the highest bidder... but to sell it on a "First Qualified First Served" basis for a nominal price. That's what Arun Shouri, Maran and A Raja did... then how in the world CAG can claim that there was a 1.75 lakh crore "paper loss" occurred because of A. Raja?

All humbug...

7. Since you seem to love political parties so much, just follow what's happening in Karnataka regarding Bellary Barons...

Who is funding Anna's campaign? What Corporates are behind his Hoopla?

well , long post , ll check them out in detail, later.

but the simple funda is this - you are still trying to play the game of - " look , i am not the only one stealing" - this time going one step further by accusing us youngsters too of corruption.

you ve pointed fingers at anna first , students next , bjp ( just another political party to me ) afais at a glance. Like i said - this is like saying that 1. anybody who opposes congress is corrupt / at fault. 2. you are selling that - "i am not the only one stealing" argument.
neither works out correctly.


there might be a 1000 corrupted people and a 1000 pure ones , in the same society. It is not about them.

there is only one Government which is in charge of those 2000 people. It is about that one.


p.s. where the h*ll did i support BJP ? of course they are stealing too and should be punished too.
It is about corruption and this nation - NOT about a BJP Vs Congress.
But the point is, the karnataka situation only makes bjp look dirty. It that does NOT make Congress any better fyi.

 

[Yamaka]

Nara, I am aware of your position w.r.t JLP bill. Your opposition to the bill is different from the blanket opposition seen from few members here. These members are creating an impression that the current govt is clean and JLP is a conspiracy against a democratically elected govt. To me, that seems to be buying into a well crafted govt propaganda.

KB:

I have been writing against Anna & Team for the following reasons:

1. What Anna did in Apr this year is fine... he attracted the attention of the Gov't, which negotiated with him as to the problems in Lokpal Bill etc...

2. When Gov't did not accept SOME of what Anna proposed he wanted to go on again "An Indefinite Hunger Strike", which I did not like.

I did not like including the sitting PM, MPs inside the Parliament and Upper Judiciary in the Lokpal Bill... again such matters MUST be deliberated at the Standing Committee.

3. Anna should always negotiate with the local police and should not pave way for law and order problems in large cities like New Delhi... please recall what happened in London a month ago... Police will be blamed if unruly crowds are allowed to assemble and there is mayhem in the capital city.

Therefore, there was a minor hitch when he started his Suicidal Dance at Ramlila Maidan..

4. Corruption has been there with us for at least since Independence... it's just not new, and is not restricted to one political party or the other.... it is all pervasive in all walks of life.

Where was Anna during the National Election 2004 or 2009? Why didn't he form an Anti-Corruption Party to compete in Elections?

5. Suddenly, he barged into the scene with his "Gandhian Look" and started talking about corruption to give an impression that only Congress Party is corrupt...

That's the Partisan Look he has created, which is very unfortunate....

Therefore, his true face needs to be shown to the world.....

He is fully funded by the Corporates.... his PLOT is to overthrow People's Elected Gov't and Install Corporates at the helm of affairs...a stealth operation, perhaps.

Who are all his Corporate Sponsors? Why is corruption in NGOs not covered in the Jan Lokpal Bill?

Stay tuned.

 

[Yamaka]

well , long post , ll check them out in detail, later.

but the simple funda is this - you are still trying to play the game of - " look , i am not the only one stealing" - this time going one step further by accusing us youngsters too of corruption.

you ve pointed fingers at anna first , students next , bjp ( just another political party to me ) afais at a glance. Like i said - this is like saying that 1. anybody who opposes congress is corrupt / at fault. 2. you are selling that - "i am not the only one stealing" argument.
neither works out correctly.


there might be a 1000 corrupted people and a 1000 pure ones , in the same society. It is not about them.

there is only one Government which is in charge of those 2000 people. It is about that one.


p.s. where the h*ll did i support BJP ? of course they are stealing too and should be punished too.
It is about corruption and this nation - NOT about a BJP Vs Congress.
But the point is, the karnataka situation only makes bjp look dirty. It that does NOT make Congress any better fyi.

I am only asking you to look at the issue COMPREHENSIVELY.... not on the basis of POLITICAL PARTIES... they are just mirrors showing the pathology in the SOCIETY at large.

I only find fault with Anna's tactics... he is NOT telling people the WHOLE TRUTH... that he is working for CORPORATES and NGOs....

Yes, Gov't is RESPONSIBLE to control, if possible eradicate corruption which is all pervasive... even w/o a Lokpal Bill, GOVT has taken stern action against very many people.

Visit Tihar... how many "Big shots" are already in Jail... waiting for the Courts adjudicate the cases!

Again, you don't know how corrupt the prosecutors, judges and others in the Court are!!

Wait & watch.

 

[Yamaka]

EXACTLY.


The Govt has been throwing accusations against Anna and the Congress and its supporters fail to put up their hand and accept their mistake here.


The Brahman haters are throwing accusations against Brahmans and the Anti-Brahman brigade fail to put up their hands and accept that they need to accept others for what they are instead of demanding them to un-brahmanize.



Different issues , same principles - Right Conclusion. Well spotted !







btw ... ... ... ...

This is a Partisan Politics that Anna is playing....

People believe that they can shout their way up! No... it will not work.

Wait & watch.

 

[sangom]

EXACTLY.


The Govt has been throwing accusations against Anna and the Congress and its supporters fail to put up their hand and accept their mistake here.


The Brahman haters are throwing accusations against Brahmans and the Anti-Brahman brigade fail to put up their hands and accept that they need to accept others for what they are instead of demanding them to un-brahmanize.



Different issues , same principles - Right Conclusion. Well spotted !







btw ... ... ... ...

Shri Iyengaar,

"The Govt has been throwing accusations against Anna and the Congress and its supporters fail to put up their hand and accept their mistake here."

Similarly, the brahminist members here fail to accept their (the brahmins') mistakes. This will be more than fully evident to any member who goes through the discussions here.

So, your effort to hide a full pumpkin with cooked rice (முழு பூசணிக்காயெ சோத்தாலெ (சொத்திலெ) மறைக்கறது) will be a very difficult and tragic attempt. Still, I wish you all success with your next (50th.) post - half a ton of eminently avoidable brahminist supremacy

 

[niyengaar]

This is a Partisan Politics that Anna is playing....

People believe that they can shout their way up! No... it will not work.

Wait & watch.

the same answer again - it is not about anna or any individual but about this nation and the prevalent corruption and the govt.'s inactions - it was "corruption" that made us youth worked up - and anna was just the guiding point / single point of contact.

anyways , regarding "shouting their way up" and regarding "this will not work" - i dont know - but now that most youngsters ve got themselves involved in this issue, they will surely have this at the back of their minds every now and then.


anyways, unless the focus remains on Corruption, there is not much use in explaining this .

 

[niyengaar]

Shri Iyengaar,

Similarly, the brahminist members here fail to accept their (the brahmins') mistakes. This will be more than fully evident to any member who goes through the discussions here.

Still, I wish you all success with your next (50th.) post - half a ton of eminently avoidable brahminist supremacy : P

well , in a lighter vein, it is unfortunate that members who hold a different opinion to urs do not even count in ur list. Probably that is what you meant when you said brahman's mistake ( guessing that u r one too ).

regarding the avoidable brahman supremacy -

1) "avoidable" - nope, unless you do not want to listen to any other view point.

2) :brahman supremacy" - afaik, i ve been speaking about the issue. I ve never said that i am bigger than / superior to anybody else here.

so , if a nice and a kind person like me ( ) can be called as one with "superiority" just because i am brahman - my point gets proved again - that it is the fault of others to stereotype Brahmans as superiors. Like stereotyping all cops as bad ones.

and because this stereotyping is again evident in the anti-brahmanism-group-member ( i.e. , you ) , my other point is also proved.
that , "the Anti-Brahman brigade fail to put up their hands and accept that they need to accept others for what they are instead of demanding them to un-brahmanize" and not the other way around ...


btw , thanks a lot for the wishes ...

 

[niyengaar]

I am only asking you to look at the issue COMPREHENSIVELY.... not on the basis of POLITICAL PARTIES... they are just mirrors showing the pathology in the SOCIETY at large.

I only find fault with Anna's tactics... he is NOT telling people the WHOLE TRUTH... that he is working for CORPORATES and NGOs....

Yes, Gov't is RESPONSIBLE to control, if possible eradicate corruption which is all pervasive... even w/o a Lokpal Bill, GOVT has taken stern action against very many people.

Visit Tihar... how many "Big shots" are already in Jail... waiting for the Courts adjudicate the cases!

Again, you don't know how corrupt the prosecutors, judges and others in the Court are!!

Wait & watch.

1) if the only fault u find with anna is that he does not tell who he is working for , then the answer is simple - people do not bother about who is behind anna.

the only reason people supported him - people finally found a means of venting their anger and frustration and the counter effects of harassment they faced with government agencies. that is why i said that the issue was corruption and not the person involved.

2) nope , those in Tihar are there , not because of Govt.'s action.

A Raja is in Tihar, because Times now highlighted it day and night ( obviously JJ's and Mukesh's money behind that )

Kanimozhi is in Tihar because one Mr MK let his mouth wag loose, by claiming that Raja will speak if arrested ( as in, Raja will become an approver and expose Sonia's links to the scam ).

kanimozhi is the leverage that the Congress has over MK.

Maran is Not in Tihar yet, because , unlike Raja or Kanimozhi, he is a businessman and knows which corporate runs the govt. from behind and on how to appease them.

3)

Regarding the Judges and Prosecutors who are corrupt - the ones who are corrupt are the ones at the top, as it is only the Big money that matters to them.
The middle level ones dont really get much to indulge in mass corruption.

And the public is Not bothered much about a Billionaire rolling over a few Millionaires - they are more bothered about the 500 s and 1000s that they ve to shell out every now and then from their hard earned pay packets.

hence the mass support.


another eg : dmk did not lose this time because they rolled over the Tiruppur Garment Industries / Hathway / Cinema Production houses / Construction companies etc.

dmk was rolled over because they ran their scams over real estate and local gundas - both which affected the common middle class man directly.