US Supreme Court declares same-sex marriage legal throughout the country

[V.Balasubramani]

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I have mixed feelings about this.

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Doctor Mam,

Out of the nine judges, it appears that while five judges have gone in favour of legalizing the same sex marriage, four went against it.

 

[renuka]

Doctor Mam,

Out of the nine judges, it appears that while five judges have gone in favour of legalizing the same sex marriage, four went against it.

Dear Sir,

So it was quite a close call.
But I feel LBGT should opt for non religious marriage.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Excerpt from Editorial, The Hindu dated: 30.06.2015.

The Supreme Court’s December 2013 judgment upholding Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, which seeks to punish “carnal intercourse against the order of nature”, continues to hold the field. The pious observation by the two-judge Bench that it was up to Parliament to decide whether to retain, amend or delete the section has not been acted upon by the political leadership. The restraint that the court has shown in not striking down Section 377, and the reasoning that it should be left to the legislature to decide whether or not to decriminalise homosexuality, fell short of Indian judicial standards. There are several cogent arguments — including some that figure in the U.S. Supreme Court’s majority opinion — in favour of judicial intervention to uphold individual liberties. Now that the judicial opportunity has been lost, the legislature cannot shirk its responsibility any longer. It may seem unlikely that parties embroiled in electoral politics will risk antagonising conservative sections of society. However, progressive parties and liberal parliamentarians should come forward with amendments to delete or at least dilute Section 377. An outdated provision cannot be allowed to violate fundamental rights and offend human dignity by remaining on the statute book.

Source: http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/edi...ex-marriages-across-the-us/article7367786.ece

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Dear Sir,

So it was quite a close call.
But I feel LBGT should opt for non religious marriage.

Doctor Mam,

I would like to share the following information which is self explanatory:


"SCOTUS to churches: Hey, no worries, you can still “advocate” for traditional marriage

On this slender thread does the promise of religious liberty hang. Justice Anthony Kennedy, in his majority opinion in Obergefell that declares same-sex marriage a constitutional right, barely mentions the means by which most Americans conduct their weddings — houses of worship. Only on page 27 does Kennedy get around to addressing the connection between church and state, and the assurances in this paragraph are less than compelling, to say the least:

Finally, it must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned. The First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths, and to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure they have long revered. The same is true of those who oppose same-sex marriage for other reasons. In turn, those who believe allowing same sex marriage is proper or indeed essential, whether as a matter of religious conviction or secular belief, may engage those who disagree with their view in an open and searching debate. The Constitution, however, does not permit the State to bar same-sex couples from marriage on the same terms as accorded to couples of the opposite sex."



Source:
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/06/...-can-still-advocate-for-traditional-marriage/

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American Catholic Church will conduct same-sex weddings

http://kxan.com/2015/06/26/catholic-church-in-austin-will-conduct-same-sex-weddings/


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[prasad1]

BJP leader Subramanian Swamy on Tuesday waded into a fresh controversy when he stated that the BJP's position on homosexuality was that it was a genetic disorder.
Swamy was responding to a question about Law Minister Sadananda Gowda's statement. Gowda was reported to have said that the government was considering scrapping Section 377.
Meanwhile, Union Law Minister Sadananda Gowda said that he has been misquoted with regards to his statement on IPC Section 377 and added that he never mentioned the scrapping of the same.

According to reports, Gowda had earlier indicated that India could move towards abolishing Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, which criminalises 'unnatural sex', paving way for the recognition of homosexual rights in the country.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...ped-says-law-minister-sadananda-gowda-2100255

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Prasad Ji,

Either deleting or diluting Section 377 requires guts.

An analyses on the subject with Google search engine, one may get umpteen number of results leading to nothing but confusion. Every leader is voicing different opinion on the subject. Few in favour and more against. Here are few results for ready reference:

1. BJP will not support 'unnatural' homosexuality: Rajnath Singh
Source: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/b...ural-homosexuality-rajnath-singh-1286933.html

2. Harsh Vardhan supports decriminalization of the Section 377, will BJP back him?
Read more at: http://www.oneindia.com/feature/har...iminalization-the-section-377-wi-1485196.html

3. BJP supports LGBT community on Sec 377: Party's Mumbai chief Ashish Shelar
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/repo...77-party-s-mumbai-chief-ashish-shelar-2011131

It has been rightly pointed out in the Editorial of Hindu that'it may seem unlikely that parties embroiled in electoral politics will risk antagonizing conservative sections of society.

 

[yesmohan]

Gays/Lesbians were there in ancient India also. Here is the quote from Brihat Jataka:

If Sani and Sukra are in each other’s navamsas, aspecting mutually, or if the birth falls (Lagnam} in Vrishabaha or Thula ( ruling houses of Sukra) with the amsa rising (Navaamsa lagnam) in Kumbha, the woman will get sexual satisfaction from females dressed in male attire.

Ref: pp. 511 - Varaha Mihira’s “ BRIHAT JATAKA “ - Stree Jatthaka Adhyaya - Stanza – 7 –pp.511 – B.Suryanarayana Rao – Motilal Banarsidass Publishers Private Limited- Delhi –Fifth edition, Bangalore by B.V.Raman dtd 8.9.1986.

Varaha Mihira (505- 587 CE)

 

[V.Balasubramani]

ஓரினச் சேர்க்கையாளர்களும் ஊனமுற்றவர்களே.. சாமியின் புது உளறல்

டெல்லி: ஓரினச் சேர்க்கையாளர்கள் மரபணு ரீதியாக ஊனமுற்றவர்கள் எனத் தெரிவித்து விமர்சனத்திற்கு ஆளாகியுள்ளார் பாஜக தலைவர் சுப்பிரமணியன் சாமி. டிவிட்டரில் சர்ச்சைக்குரிய பதிவுகளை வெளியிட்டு பரபரப்பை ஏற்படுத்துவது பாஜக தலைவர் சுப்பிரமணியன் சாமியின் ஸ்டைல். ஆனால், சமீபகாலமாக டிவிட்டர் பக்கத்தில் பதிவுகளைக் குறைத்திருந்தார் சுப்பிரமணியன் சாமி. காரணம், ‘ராமர் கோயில் மற்றும் சட்ட கோணங்கள்' எழுதுவதால் தன்னால் முன்பைப் போல் அதிகம் டிவிட் செய்ய இயலவில்லை என அவரே விளக்கமும் அளித்திருந்தார்.

Read more at: http://tamil.oneindia.com/news/indi...my-thinks-homosexuals-are-genetic-230082.html

 

[V.Balasubramani]

How same-sex marriage could ruin civilization

In the wake of the US supreme court ruling that legalised same-sex marriage throughout America, many commenters and objectors have claimed it will have disastrous consequences. But rather than just dismissing them as irrational bitterness, it’s important to consider the genuine scientific basis for such claims.

Read more at: http://www.theguardian.com/science/...9/same-sex-marriage-ruin-civilisation-science

 

[renuka]

Gays/Lesbians were there in ancient India also. Here is the quote from Brihat Jataka:

If Sani and Sukra are in each other’s navamsas, aspecting mutually, or if the birth falls (Lagnam} in Vrishabaha or Thula ( ruling houses of Sukra) with the amsa rising (Navaamsa lagnam) in Kumbha, the woman will get sexual satisfaction from females dressed in male attire.

Ref: pp. 511 - Varaha Mihira’s “ BRIHAT JATAKA “ - Stree Jatthaka Adhyaya - Stanza – 7 –pp.511 – B.Suryanarayana Rao – Motilal Banarsidass Publishers Private Limited- Delhi –Fifth edition, Bangalore by B.V.Raman dtd 8.9.1986.

Varaha Mihira (505- 587 CE)

I had read this too sometime back...so since LBGT seems to have an astrological basis ..so would Pariharams work to make a person give up his/her same sex desire?

 

[Vaagmi]

US and all the European Countries may say homosexuality is legally ok.

There can be many evidences in the ancient literature that homosexuality is as old as humanity.

In future we may have even a few modern acharyas endorsing same sex marriages and homosexuality.

But all these will not take away the fact that homosexuality is a deviant behavior as far as human beings are concerned. So it is not normal. We live with many abnormalities and this is one with which we can live tolerating it. But any attempt to glorify it and raise it to the level of normal behavior is foolish.

SSwamy has for once stated the right thing. LOL.

In a few days we may have vadhyars chanting vedic mantras in a marriage function in which two young men/women may get married. That will be the beginning of anarchy. Stupid. It is marriage and not a sexual tool for manipulation. LOL.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

What Two Hindu Temples In The US Tell Us About The Divide Among Hindus In India
Posted by
Lata Jha
| Jun 30, 2015

Both temples founded on fairly ancient religious sects have different approaches to homosexuality -- one says it would never perform a same-sex marriage, another says it would be happy to collaborate with the LGBT community.

Even as March dawned, the weather Gods of New York City were showing no signs of mercy. Indian women volunteers of the Bochasanwasi Shri Akshar Purushottam Swaminarayan Sanstha, or BAPS, Mandir — a Gujarati religious organisation in Flushing — walked in on a Saturday morning, under multiple layers of trousers and overcoats, and proceeded directly to the changing rooms downstairs to slip into their thin chiffon saris and salwar-kameezes.

The women hadn’t exactly gathered to pray. They were getting ready for a conference organised on the occasion of International Women’s Day.

Though it seems to be just another traditional Hindu temple, BAPS encourages its followers to tie religious teachings to other relevant matters of personal life, believing broadly in spreading Hinduism as a way of being.

Bhagwan Swaminarayan, who founded the socio-spiritual association in the late 18[SUP]th[/SUP] century, was a revolutionary for his time because he strongly discouraged casteism, a striking feature of Indian society prevalent to this day that discriminates and creates ranks on the basis of colour and occupation. He would often have his Muslim and Harijan followers visit him alongside his high-caste Hindu devotees.
In a community seen as based on unquestionable faith, BAPS encourages its followers to go beyond the verbatim interpretation of the religion.

Read more at: http://www.newslaundry.com/2015/06/...ll-us-about-the-divide-among-hindus-in-india/

 

[a-TB]

US and all the European Countries may say homosexuality is legally ok.

There can be many evidences in the ancient literature that homosexuality is as old as humanity.

In future we may have even a few modern acharyas endorsing same sex marriages and homosexuality.

But all these will not take away the fact that homosexuality is a deviant behavior as far as human beings are concerned. So it is not normal. We live with many abnormalities and this is one with which we can live tolerating it. But any attempt to glorify it and raise it to the level of normal behavior is foolish.

SSwamy has for once stated the right thing. LOL.

In a few days we may have vadhyars chanting vedic mantras in a marriage function in which two young men/women may get married. That will be the beginning of anarchy. Stupid. It is marriage and not a sexual tool for manipulation. LOL.

Dear Mr LOL Vagmi:

Animals as well as human being of all groupings have shown homosexual preferences. The percentage could be anyone's guess but it is more than you or I can imagine.

This means one of your close relatives is gay or lesbian - only they cannot tell you that. Are you going to call them deviant as if you are fine?

It is your god that created what you call as a deviant homosexuals.

I think humans by nature if left uncorrupted by religion, politics and upbringing believe in live and let live. It is deviant to put groups of people down especially if they are not causing harm to anyone. A gay marrying a gay or even gays raising children does not cause any harm to anyone. Let us embrace all non-violent people as our own blood relations and children of your god!

 

[tbs]

hi

here in USA...BAPS AND ISKONITES ARE ALLOWED TO CONVERSION TO HINDUISM ...but there is no conversion system in hinduism..

 

[V.Balasubramani]

[h=1]Same-sex couples in Texas refused marriage licenses despite SCOTUS ruling[/h]Texas's LGBT community is still battling the right to obtain marriage licences in certain counties, despite the recent US Supreme Court (SCOTUS) ruling legalising same-sex marriage nationwide.

Shortly after the historic ruling on June 26,Texas Attorney General Ken Paxtonstated that county clerks can refuse to issue marriage licences to same-sex couples based on religious objections to gay marriage.

"The Attorney General’s statement has been largely rejected, both within the LGBT community, as well as among county clerks whose job it is to issue incenses," said Chuck Smith Executive Director of Equality Texas, who works to secure full equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Texans.

Read more at: http://www.dnaindia.com/world/repor...rriage-licenses-despite-scotus-ruling-2101762

 

[mraghavan]

It's obvious the dates are wrong in this thread; the Supreme Court decision was made only two weeks ago. My position is that of the normal average mid-Western American. Why change the very fabric of civilized society, namely family, for the purpose of a population less than 1/10 of 1 percent of the country? The move was clearly political and aimed at undermining the value of religion and conventional, common sense morality as a whole.

I now can believe what I want to in the USA, but in doing so, am breaking the law.

 

[mkrishna100]

What are the implications? How these will be handled?
Marriage oath, adultery, divorce, church weddings, adoption of girls by male couple or boys by female couple, rape/unnatural acts and many more. Court reaction will be known only such cases come for arbitration.

 

[yesmohan]

Hindu body ‘celebrates’ decision
Only 55 per cent of Hindus inthe U.S. support same-sex marriages, says poll.

.. In case, same-sex marriages become popular in China and India also, is there any possibility to result in finding solution to the ever exploding population ?