1. Vedas, Puranas, Shastras, Ramayana & Mahabarata etc.. are ALL purely dravidian texts. All cities/towns are found (& named the same way) in South India/Lanka. Hastinapuram (Andhra) Pandavapura, Kishkinda & Vatapi (Karnataka), Kansapuram, Kasipuram, Srivaikuntam, Madurai (land of nectar), Kailasapuram, Sivakasi, ayottipatinam (ayodhya), Gangavathi etc..
2. for south dravidian kings, north/Vadaku represented - North Karnataka & Andhra. Vindhyas were the Himalayas in ancient texts, they had no visibility beyond this. Agasthiyar Hills officially named as such are down south & is NOT the vindyas. Kalidasa was in the court of Vikramditya - Kannada King. Hastinapuram & Kasipuram are in current Andhra - North of tamil nadu.
BARATAVARSHA IS THE LAND FROM VINDHYAS TO KERALA DOWN SOUTH - land locked kingdown with Lanka controlling all sea routes. thats why south dravidians wanted to defeat him & reduce their influence on sea routes. so thats why only the Lanka version goes to Greece (HOMER'S ILLIAD - TROY IS LANKA) & Ramayana version goes to South east asia & other countries. RAMAYANA DID NOT & COULD NOT HAVE GONE TO GREECE THROUGH NORTH INDIA/CENTRAL ASIAN ETC.. GIVEN THE MANY HOSTILE KINGDOMS IN BETWEEN.
YOU CAN ARGUE THAT RAMA CAME FROM A DISTANT NORTH INDIA, HOWEVER VALMIKI & ALL OTHER RAMAYANA'S SAY RAMA IS A LONG ARMED DARK PRINCE & LAKSHMANA IS A DARK PRINCE - RAMA IS AVATAR OF VISHNU - CONFIRMED DARK GOD IN ALL THE PURANAS/VEDAS (THE POTRAYAL OF THE RECENT TV SERIAL OF RAMANANDA SAGAR WITH FAIR SKINNED RAMA/LAKSHMANA IS MISLEADING AND THE SAME WITH KRISHNA ETC..) . SO IF THEY ARE DARK PRINCES, THEN THEY WILL NEED TO COME FROM A DRAVIDIAN KINGDOM. BUT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO FATHOM THAT RAMA & LAKSHMANA CAME THROUGH 1000'S OF KMS TO DOWN SOUTH FROM AYODHYA OF NORTH INDIA. + ALL THE CITIES OF RAMAYANA - VATAPI, KISHKINDA, AYOTTIYAPATTTINAM, KAILASAM, KASIPURAM, SIVAKASI, RAMESHWARAM, LANKA ARE ALL LOCATED DOWN SOUTH BELOW VINDYAS. CHOLA EMPIRE TAKES RAMAYANA TO EVERY PART OF SOUTH EAST ASIA - THAI, CAMBODIA, INDONESIA, MALAYSIA, ETC.. IN TAMIL & SANSKRIT BECOS IT IS THEIR LEGACY, STORY, HISTORY & CULTURE. ++ MOST IMPORTANTLY CHOLA/PANDIAN/CHERA HAVE BEEN AT WAR WITH LANKA FOR CENTURIES,& FINALLY RANSACKED ANURADHAPURA IN LANKA ETC.. - DOCUMENTED IN ALL TEXTS. - "PRIAM (RAVANA) IN TROY (LANKA VERSION OF RAMAYANA) - OUR ENEMIES HAVE BEEN ATTACKING US FOR CENTURIES & OUR WALLS STILL STAND" TROY IS LANKA !! BEFORE THE HISTORIC WAR WITH RAMA/LASKHMANA (AGMEMNON/ACHILLES) LEADING TO RANSACKING OF TROY (LANKA)
SO RAMA IS A DARK DRAVIDIAN & CAME FROM SOUTH AYOTTIYAPTTINAM. !!
3. Yadavas are a kannada race still present in north karnataka
4. Cauvery is/was Ganga in Ramayana. Gangakonda Cholan !! Cauvery was the ganga for dravidians not some unknown river in north india. Gangavathi is in Karnataka (origin of cauvery) & Kannada kings are known as Ganga Kingdom/Kings. Cauvery is the main life source, food source for all dravidians, hence this has to be Ganga & not some unknown river. Also all local legends in south dravidian texts refer to all her Kings worshipping or dipping in Ganga so this has be a nearby river. Today's Ganga in North India is 1000's of kms away, so there is no way Cholas, Pandyas, Cheras, Chalukyas etc.. can go to Ganga & come every now & then not to mention the treacherous pass through the impassable Vindya Mountains. It is the Vindya Mountains that protected the south dravidian states, language & culture from the invading muslim rulers.
5. Triveni Sangam (in Tamil Nadu) is a sangam of Cauvery (Ganga), Bhavani (Yamuna) & Amudha (Saraswati - invisible river).
6. Hinduism, Jainism & Buddism all orginated in South Dravidian Kingdoms.
7. Jainism originated in Karnataka & Gometeswara became the most powerful holy town.
8. One of the Jain Thirthankara was Buddha (from north/vadaku karnataka). Original texts on Buddhism talks about the extensive links to Jainism. One of the legend says Budhha as a monk was sold to a "north indian king - above the vindyas" & thats how Buddhism spread there.
9. Kannada/Tamil Kings were heavily buddhist & took it to Lanka, South east Asia. There was NO sasnkrti found in Ashoka regime (one of the largest kings in north) documented by every researcher, becos it originated in South dravidian. It was written in Brahmi/Tamil script.
10. South Dravidian kings established Ayodhya in Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, North India etc.. becos they ruled in the name of Lord Ram
11. Thats why no temple was found under Babri Masjid becos the North India Ayodhya is NOT the original place. It is ayottiyapattinam in Tamilnadu.
12. TROY STORY IS A COPY OF RAMAYANA (WIFE IS KIDNAPPED & TRIGGERED AN EXTRAORDINARY WAR). THIS IS THE LANKA VERSION. RAVANA/PRIAM ARE JUST KINGS. Sita/Helen were never harmed in Lanka/Troy. Subtext - No TWO extraordinary legends can exist at the same time (around 400 to 100 BC) WITH IDENTICAL STORY LINES/DESTRUCTION OF LANKA/TROY, both were preserved for many centuries through oral tradition (no writing was there during this time). SO EITHER WE COPIED THE TROY LEGEND & NAMED AS RAMAYANA OR GREEKS COPIED OUR LEGEND BUT FROM THE SOURCES OF LANKA. THATS WHY RAMA (AS AGEMEMNON) IS PORTRAYED AS A BAD KING (UNDERSTANDBLY). MY OPINION IS THAT RAMAYANA/LANKA VERSION OF RAMAYANA WERE THE ORIGINAL BECOS ALL THE PLACES MENTIONED IN RAMAYANA EXISTS even today, BUT TROY DOES NOT EXIST & ALL THE GREEKS RIGHT THROUGH IN HISTORY SAY THAT IT IS A LEGEND/MYTH. MANY WESTERNERS TRIED TO LOCATE TROY IN MODERN TURKEY, BUT COULD NOT, NO WRITTEN INSCRIPTIONS ANYWHERE OTHER THAN THE STORY OF HOMER. HOWEVER RAMAYANA IS INSCRIBED IN ALL OUR TEMPLES, IN ALL COUNTRIES OF THAILAND, CAMBODIA, INDONESIA, MALAYSIA, ETC..
13. Mythical Lanka/Troy were protected by Invincible God Princes - Indrajit/Hector.
14. Achilles (in the form of Patroclus -- his cousin), Laskhmana are killed by Hector/Indrjit. Lakshmana is revived by Sanjeevini. Achilles fight again with Hector as Achilles himself.
15. Achilles wears a Shield from God to battle Hector. Lakshmana prays Indra & obtains protective gear & Thunder spear to kill Indrajit
16. Mythical Lanka/Troy controlled all the sea routes & protected by Invincible Walls & princes - Indrajit/Hector.
17. Like greek kingdoms, dravidian kings were always at war, however they came together - Rama, Sugriva and others to fight Ravana.
18. Ravana/Priam are just kings & ruled for a long time with tremendous prosperity. Many dravidian texts praises Ravana for his just rule.
19. Megasthenis comes to India visits pataliputra & goes straight to Madurai. & then talks about an epic similar to Illiad of Homer (Troy story) which is many times larger in text.
20. Marco Polo visits south dravidian kingdoms & says all their gods are dark.
21. In summary, all texts - Vedas, puranas, Sastras, Ramayana, Mahabarat, etc.. are all based on south dravidian kings, places & timelines. Brahmi script (written on all south dravidian temples) is the origin for Sanskrit, Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada, Tulu, Koda - these are the only true dravidian languages. All north languages - Hindi, Punjabi, Bengali, Marathi, Bhojpuri etc.. are all persian. North temples are built on Islamic Architecture & not as per Vedic scriptures, they chant in Hindi & NOT in sanskrit. Priests in Nepal Pashupathi Nath temple are Kannadigas from Managalore/Karnataka. Thai Royal Brahmin priest send his disciples to Kanchi to learn Sanskrit. Hinduism was revived in north by Vivekananda & RSS during the british era after the decline of the mughals & they rebuilt many of the temples. There are very few temples in North India that are more than 200/300+ yrs old unlike in South India. with Ramayana propagated in all south east asian countries by Cholas, it is a story of the dravidian kings/cheftians in south india & all co-located by a few 100 kms instead of a distant North India.
22. Ramayana/Mahabarata were writted in 400 bc by Valmiki (south dravidian) who meets with Rama & teaches Lava/Kush. so these are based on dravidian cheiftans/kings
23. anything above cauvery (Ganga) was north for them. So there is NO arayan invasion - debunked by many of the western researchers.
Sanskrit, Kannada, Telugu, Tamil, Tulu, Koda, Malayalam are the true dravidian languages of this country. thats why Telugu is 70%sanskrit, Kannada, Tamil & Telugu are 50% sanskrti. Dravidian kingdom was named after the gods, madurai is Land of Nectar, Hampi land of kishkinda, Lanka - land of asuras, Pandavapura, Hastinapuram, etc.. so dravidian kingdoms are based on the puranas.
south dravidian kings who conquered thailand, cambodia etc.. propagated Ramayana, estabilished Ayodha & propagated sasnkrit becos it was their langauge. look at Bali, Suvarnabhumi (Thai) etc.. are all in sanskrit & tamil - by chola kings.
South brahmins/upper caste are all dravidians, they became fair becos they never worked in the sun. however ask them to stand in the sun, they will get sun tanned & turn dark. thats why u have charcoal brahmins.
south kings were all dark dravidians, they ruled in the name of lord ram. thats why there is a ayodhya in every country they conquered (Thai, Indonesia, Cambodia, North India etc..) Thai's proudly name their babies in sanskrit, embrace our culture with pride. Indonesia Bali is a world heritage again a significant cultural reminince of south dravidian kings.
Caste system was dravidian origin written in ancient kingdoms of Chola, Pandian etc.. but it was supposed to be flexible & only indicated what one does, rather than impose dominance. they all talk about brahmins/Kshatriya/Vysya etc.. in every script!!
Now u know how powerful & deep our culture is. thats why Tamils/Kannada/Telugu & Malayalam people are so protective of their languages & culture.
Now hopefuly we can move forward beyond caste issues in South dravidian states, & celebrate our culture. Tamil Brahmins worshipped Dark Gods - Rama Krishna Shiva Vishnu etc.. !!. Ravana was/is a dravidian Brahmin like all south brahmins - Vadaku Brahmins are from North Karnataka & Andhra pradesh !!
Addendum - the beauty of Ramayana is that it is written by both the victors (south dravidian kings/Valmiki) & the defeated (Lanka & its dravidian descendants). Lanka version goes to Greece & gets immortalized as Homer's Illiad story of Troy. Rama is God in Ramayan, Ravana/Priam is the God in Troy Story !! & both are dravidian kings - Rama & Ravana like Priam & Agmemnon are both Greek cultural icons..
Also - British/european kings claimed lineage from Troy. Dravidian kings claimed lineage from Lord Rama. !. Rama (above cauvery/ganga river) & Ravana (down south lanka) were both powerful dravidian kings & led their people to great prosperity. Similarly Pandavas & Kauravas are dravidian cheftains who fight a long battle of mahabarata. Baratavarsha is the land from Vindyas to Kerala down south - land locked kingdown with Lanka controlling all sea routes. thats why south dravidians wanted to defeat him & reduce their influence on sea routes. so thats why only the Lanka version goes to Greece & Ramayana version goes to South east asia & other countries.
Also - No north indian king has propagated Ramayana in thier conquest like the south dravidian kings. Asoka was the greatest emporer & there was NO sanskrit there -documented by ALL researchers - no dispute on this. he later converts to Buddhism which is propagated by Kannada dravidian kings/monks.
Northern indian kings were also dravidian, asoka, chandragupta maurya etc.. maurya dynasty actually starts in Karnataka, Kalinga starts in andhra pradesh till Harshavardhana dynasty all of them were dravidians. thats why u have many dark dravidians in northern india even today. Also post the Islamic rule of 700+ yrs in north india, there was a Hindu rennaissance / revival by vivekananda/RSS leaders. they studied ramayana & interpreted that Himalayas are the mountain ranges in Nepal etc.., they named many of the current locations like ayodhya, the rivers - Ganga, Yamuna & Saraswati etc... Though Kannada rulers & Kalinga - andhra rulers ruled many parts of northern india & propagated hinduism/ramayana etc.. in the distant past most were destroyed during islamic rule.
caste system in the current repressive form did NOT exist in the south dravidian kingdoms. Till Vijayanagara empire (ruled by Chalukyas) in north karnataka/andhra, all people were treated equally, a place of just rule - documented by all Greek, Chinese, Persian travellers. It is only after its collapse during 1650+, & subsequent emergence of British & later, did the caste system in the repressive form get entrenched. so at best it was the last 300 yrs & is the worst part of our great dravidian culture !! But this is NOT the case in Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia Cambodia etc.. where Hinduism was propagated by Cholas, there is NO such repressive Caste system.
LASTLY, TROY STORY SUBSCRIBES TO THE many dravidian claims THAT RAVANA (PRIAM) WAS A JUST/HONEST KING & WORSHIPPED SHIVA (APPOLLO), RAMA WORSHIPPED/INCARNATION OF VISHNU. WAR BETWEEN RAVANA (PRIAM) & RAMA (AGMEMNON) ARE THE WAR OF SHIVA versus VISHNU (thus starts the Shiava's & Vishnavites philosophy - the war splits the dravidian society) SIMILAR TO APOLLO & ZEUS. HELEN/SITA WENT WITH PARIS/RAVANA ON HER OWN FREE WILL & ACCORD, NEVER FORCED BY RAVANA/PRIAM/PARIS - FROM TROY STORY !. STORY OF TROY (LANKA) IS SO PIOGNANT THAT MILLIONS CRIED OVER IT (FOR RAVANA/INDRAJIT - PRIAM/HECTOR) & STILL DO WHEN THEY HEARD/HEAR THE STORY. THIS CANNOT HAPPEN UNLESS RAVANA WAS TRULY A JUST/HONEST KING & THE GREEKS MUST HAVE KNOWN HIM WELL BECOS HE CONTROLLED ALL SEA ROUTES. SO THE STORY OF RAMA & RAVANA MUST BE A STORY (MERGING THE STORY OF RAMAYANA & HOMER'S ILLIAD TROY) OF TWO TRULY POWERFUL KINGS & FIGHTING FOR POWER TO CONTROL THE SEA ROUTES. GREEKS HAD NO REASON TO GLORIFY RAVANA (PRIAM), BUT CHOLAS/SOUTH DRAVIDIANS HAD EVERY REASON TO GLORIFY RAMA SINCE IT WAS THEIR KING. MY OPINION - IS TILTED IN THE FAVOUR OF RAVANA/TROY/LANKA STORY AS GREEKS ARE THE NUETRAL PARTY HERE & HAD ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO GLORIFY RAVANA (PRIAM) & MUST HAVE TRULY BEEN SHOCKED AT THE DESTRUCTION OF A GREAT EMPIRE CALLED LANKA/TROY !!
TAMIL KINGS/CULTURE IS NO DOUBT THE GREATEST IN THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT. TAMILS CONQUERED OR FOUGHT IN ALL THE COUNTRIES AROUND (HISTORICALLY TAMILS ARE PRESENT HERE, NOT RECENTLY MIGRATED)- SRILANKA, SINGAPURA, MALAYASIA, INDONESIA, THAILAND, CAMBODIA, ETC.. ALL THESE INSCRIPTIONS ARE IN TAMIL & SANSKRIT ONLY. THEY ARE ONLY ONES WITH NAVAL FLEET UNMATCHED IN ANCIENT TIMES, NORTH INDIAN KINGS DID NOT HAVE SUCH NAVAL FLEETS EXCEPT FOR KALINGA RULED BY ANDHRA RULERS. TAMIL KINGS HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY WARRING WITH LANKAN KINGS, MANY DOCUMENTED STORIES FROM DRAVIDIAN, JAIN, BUDDHIST TEXTS OF CHOLAS, PANDYAS, CHERAS WARRING WITH THEM DURING 800 TO 100 BC DURING WHICH TIME RAMAYANA ORIGINATED. INSTANCES OF TAMIL KINGS RANSACKING THE CITY OF ANURADHAPURA IN LANKA. THE PART OF LANKA CLOSER TO INDIA ARE PREDOMINANTLY TAMILS, SUBSTANTIATING CLAIMS THAT RAVANA WAS A DRAVIDIAN TAMIL BRAHMIN (CASTE SYSTEM CAME FROM DRAVIDIANS). THATS WHY MANY TAMIL DRAVIDIAN STORIES ARE VERY SYMPATHETIC TO RAVANA. ALL CITIES MENTIONED IN VEDAS/SASTRAS/RAMAYANA/MAHABARATA ARE ALL IN TAMIL NADU, KARNATKA, KERALA, ANDHRA, & LANKA. METHORA POINTS TO MADURAI (AS MENTIONED BY MEGASTHENIS HIMSELF) & NOT SOME UNKNOWN NORTH INDIAN CITY. KANSAPURAM IS IN TAMIL NADU CLOSET TO MADURAI, SO KRISHNA RULED FROM MADURAI (MATHURA).... APART FROM KAILASPURAM, SRIVAIKUNTAM, AYOTTIYAPATTINAM, HASTINAPURAM, THIRUMALA (KUBEIRA), PANDAVAPURA, VATAPI, KISHKINDA (DOCUMENTED BY ALL AS IN HAMPI OF KARNATAKA WHICH LATER WAS THE MOST FAMOUS OF ALL DRAVIDIAN KINGDOMS OF VIJAYANAGARA) ETC.. ARE ALL IN TAMIL NADU, ANDHRA & KARNATAKA.
THE REASON YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE CITIES IN NORTH INDIA/THAILAND/INDONESIA.. IS BECOS RAMAYANA WAS TAKEN THEIR BY THE KARNATKA/ANDHRA/TAMIL DRAVIDIAN RULERS. IN ALL CONQUERED LAND DRAVIDIANS ESTABLISHED AYODHYA, MATHURA ETC... & RULED IN THE NAME OF LORD RAMA, KRISHNA, ETC..
AFTER READING THIS, HOPEFULLY U WILL BETTER APPRECIATE RAVANA & IN MY OPINION HE IS THE GREATEST TAMIL DRAVIDIAN KING UNPARALLED IN HIS WISDOM, JUSTICE, WEALTH, POWER & PROBABLY GREATER THAN RAMA HIMSELF. I AM NOT SIDING WITH THE RAVANA SYMPATHETICS HERE, BUT GOING BY EASTERN/WESTERN TEXTS, LEGENDS, MYTHS BY ALL SOURCES !!! HENCE RAVANA IS RIGHTFULLY WORSHIPPED BY MANY DRAVIDIAN PEOPLE IN INDIA - BOTH SOUTH INDIA & NORTH INDIA . !!
OH RAVANA THE GREATEST NOBLE KING EVER, UNPARALLELED IN YOUR RIGHTNESS, WISDOM & JUSTICE !. HOW CUNNINGLY YOU WERE UNDONE BY RAMA LAKSHMANA SUGRIVA & HANUMAN ACTIVELY SUPPORTED BY THE GODS !! CRIES AN OLD LADY AFTER RAVANA/PRIAM IS KILLED IN THE LANKA (TROY) VERSION OF RAMAYANA !!
Only in North Hindus, you have the situation of very fair skinned people (so called aryans) worshipping Dark Gods. No where in history you have this. Greek gods are all white. gods reflected the local people & color. South Brahmins while they are fair, are NOT as fair as North Indians. & they turn dark when sun tanned. Charcoal Brahmins & far too many of them !! Caste system is a dravidian origin - Nowhere else inlcluding persia, central asia, Huns, Kushanas etc.. But all Tamil Kings talk about caste system - Brahmin as a word come only in our texts, but NEVER in any other culture. ! Ramayana/Mahabarata legends cannot exist in Vaccum without any historical basis. so they must be based on local kings in india & their wars/lives. the fact that Chola empire propagated ramyana/sanskrit & tamil so much in all south east countries shows their naval poweress, & a very powerful evidence that this is their story, legacy, culture, Kings & religion. all South east asia countries have writings only in Tamil & Sanskrit, no other indian language !! for eg., Angor Vat (vattaram) greatest temple in Bali includes detailed inscriptions in sanskrit & tamil only. Add to this, the fact that the tamil kings have been warring with lanka for centuries & eventually ransacking/buring anuradhapura/lanka !! BUT NO SINGLE HISTORICAL INSTANCE OF ANY NORTH INDIAN KING COMING TO SOUTH INDIA & WAGING A WAR WITH LANKA EVER IN ANY DOCUMENTED TEXT, HENCE NORTH INDIANS CAN ONLY/DO CLAIM IT IS A MYTH LIKE THE GREEKS. BUT IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO ENSIVION SUCH A COMPLEX STORY & WRITE IT WITHOUT A BASIS TO LOCAL KINGS/STORIES, FOLK TALES ETC.. + SO MUCH EVIDENCE OF SUCH A STORY/PLACES/FOLK TALES IN SOUTH INDIA/LANKA !! Proud dravidian kings will NEVER propagate Ramayana to all south east asia where a "Aryan Rama" kills a "Dark Dravidian Ravana" & that too rule in the name of Aryan Lord Ram. Impossible. So Rama had to be Dark & one of their Anscetors !!
Source Texts - Vedas (Rigveda & Yajur Veda), Ramayana, Mahabarata, Analysis of Legends of Ganga, South Indian temple towns & locations, south east asia cities (Ayodhya in Indonesia, Ayuttya in Thailand, Bali, Suvarnabhumi etc..) scripts written in SEA countries + on our South Dravidian Temples + extensive study of Homer's Illiad Troy Story + Odyssues + Greek Gods/Culture + Western research.
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2. for south dravidian kings, north/Vadaku represented - North Karnataka & Andhra. Vindhyas were the Himalayas in ancient texts, they had no visibility beyond this. Agasthiyar Hills officially named as such are down south & is NOT the vindyas. Kalidasa was in the court of Vikramditya - Kannada King. Hastinapuram & Kasipuram are in current Andhra - North of tamil nadu.
BARATAVARSHA IS THE LAND FROM VINDHYAS TO KERALA DOWN SOUTH - land locked kingdown with Lanka controlling all sea routes. thats why south dravidians wanted to defeat him & reduce their influence on sea routes. so thats why only the Lanka version goes to Greece (HOMER'S ILLIAD - TROY IS LANKA) & Ramayana version goes to South east asia & other countries. RAMAYANA DID NOT & COULD NOT HAVE GONE TO GREECE THROUGH NORTH INDIA/CENTRAL ASIAN ETC.. GIVEN THE MANY HOSTILE KINGDOMS IN BETWEEN.
YOU CAN ARGUE THAT RAMA CAME FROM A DISTANT NORTH INDIA, HOWEVER VALMIKI & ALL OTHER RAMAYANA'S SAY RAMA IS A LONG ARMED DARK PRINCE & LAKSHMANA IS A DARK PRINCE - RAMA IS AVATAR OF VISHNU - CONFIRMED DARK GOD IN ALL THE PURANAS/VEDAS (THE POTRAYAL OF THE RECENT TV SERIAL OF RAMANANDA SAGAR WITH FAIR SKINNED RAMA/LAKSHMANA IS MISLEADING AND THE SAME WITH KRISHNA ETC..) . SO IF THEY ARE DARK PRINCES, THEN THEY WILL NEED TO COME FROM A DRAVIDIAN KINGDOM. BUT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO FATHOM THAT RAMA & LAKSHMANA CAME THROUGH 1000'S OF KMS TO DOWN SOUTH FROM AYODHYA OF NORTH INDIA. + ALL THE CITIES OF RAMAYANA - VATAPI, KISHKINDA, AYOTTIYAPATTTINAM, KAILASAM, KASIPURAM, SIVAKASI, RAMESHWARAM, LANKA ARE ALL LOCATED DOWN SOUTH BELOW VINDYAS. CHOLA EMPIRE TAKES RAMAYANA TO EVERY PART OF SOUTH EAST ASIA - THAI, CAMBODIA, INDONESIA, MALAYSIA, ETC.. IN TAMIL & SANSKRIT BECOS IT IS THEIR LEGACY, STORY, HISTORY & CULTURE. ++ MOST IMPORTANTLY CHOLA/PANDIAN/CHERA HAVE BEEN AT WAR WITH LANKA FOR CENTURIES,& FINALLY RANSACKED ANURADHAPURA IN LANKA ETC.. - DOCUMENTED IN ALL TEXTS. - "PRIAM (RAVANA) IN TROY (LANKA VERSION OF RAMAYANA) - OUR ENEMIES HAVE BEEN ATTACKING US FOR CENTURIES & OUR WALLS STILL STAND" TROY IS LANKA !! BEFORE THE HISTORIC WAR WITH RAMA/LASKHMANA (AGMEMNON/ACHILLES) LEADING TO RANSACKING OF TROY (LANKA)
SO RAMA IS A DARK DRAVIDIAN & CAME FROM SOUTH AYOTTIYAPTTINAM. !!
3. Yadavas are a kannada race still present in north karnataka
4. Cauvery is/was Ganga in Ramayana. Gangakonda Cholan !! Cauvery was the ganga for dravidians not some unknown river in north india. Gangavathi is in Karnataka (origin of cauvery) & Kannada kings are known as Ganga Kingdom/Kings. Cauvery is the main life source, food source for all dravidians, hence this has to be Ganga & not some unknown river. Also all local legends in south dravidian texts refer to all her Kings worshipping or dipping in Ganga so this has be a nearby river. Today's Ganga in North India is 1000's of kms away, so there is no way Cholas, Pandyas, Cheras, Chalukyas etc.. can go to Ganga & come every now & then not to mention the treacherous pass through the impassable Vindya Mountains. It is the Vindya Mountains that protected the south dravidian states, language & culture from the invading muslim rulers.
5. Triveni Sangam (in Tamil Nadu) is a sangam of Cauvery (Ganga), Bhavani (Yamuna) & Amudha (Saraswati - invisible river).
6. Hinduism, Jainism & Buddism all orginated in South Dravidian Kingdoms.
7. Jainism originated in Karnataka & Gometeswara became the most powerful holy town.
8. One of the Jain Thirthankara was Buddha (from north/vadaku karnataka). Original texts on Buddhism talks about the extensive links to Jainism. One of the legend says Budhha as a monk was sold to a "north indian king - above the vindyas" & thats how Buddhism spread there.
9. Kannada/Tamil Kings were heavily buddhist & took it to Lanka, South east Asia. There was NO sasnkrti found in Ashoka regime (one of the largest kings in north) documented by every researcher, becos it originated in South dravidian. It was written in Brahmi/Tamil script.
10. South Dravidian kings established Ayodhya in Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, North India etc.. becos they ruled in the name of Lord Ram
11. Thats why no temple was found under Babri Masjid becos the North India Ayodhya is NOT the original place. It is ayottiyapattinam in Tamilnadu.
12. TROY STORY IS A COPY OF RAMAYANA (WIFE IS KIDNAPPED & TRIGGERED AN EXTRAORDINARY WAR). THIS IS THE LANKA VERSION. RAVANA/PRIAM ARE JUST KINGS. Sita/Helen were never harmed in Lanka/Troy. Subtext - No TWO extraordinary legends can exist at the same time (around 400 to 100 BC) WITH IDENTICAL STORY LINES/DESTRUCTION OF LANKA/TROY, both were preserved for many centuries through oral tradition (no writing was there during this time). SO EITHER WE COPIED THE TROY LEGEND & NAMED AS RAMAYANA OR GREEKS COPIED OUR LEGEND BUT FROM THE SOURCES OF LANKA. THATS WHY RAMA (AS AGEMEMNON) IS PORTRAYED AS A BAD KING (UNDERSTANDBLY). MY OPINION IS THAT RAMAYANA/LANKA VERSION OF RAMAYANA WERE THE ORIGINAL BECOS ALL THE PLACES MENTIONED IN RAMAYANA EXISTS even today, BUT TROY DOES NOT EXIST & ALL THE GREEKS RIGHT THROUGH IN HISTORY SAY THAT IT IS A LEGEND/MYTH. MANY WESTERNERS TRIED TO LOCATE TROY IN MODERN TURKEY, BUT COULD NOT, NO WRITTEN INSCRIPTIONS ANYWHERE OTHER THAN THE STORY OF HOMER. HOWEVER RAMAYANA IS INSCRIBED IN ALL OUR TEMPLES, IN ALL COUNTRIES OF THAILAND, CAMBODIA, INDONESIA, MALAYSIA, ETC..
13. Mythical Lanka/Troy were protected by Invincible God Princes - Indrajit/Hector.
14. Achilles (in the form of Patroclus -- his cousin), Laskhmana are killed by Hector/Indrjit. Lakshmana is revived by Sanjeevini. Achilles fight again with Hector as Achilles himself.
15. Achilles wears a Shield from God to battle Hector. Lakshmana prays Indra & obtains protective gear & Thunder spear to kill Indrajit
16. Mythical Lanka/Troy controlled all the sea routes & protected by Invincible Walls & princes - Indrajit/Hector.
17. Like greek kingdoms, dravidian kings were always at war, however they came together - Rama, Sugriva and others to fight Ravana.
18. Ravana/Priam are just kings & ruled for a long time with tremendous prosperity. Many dravidian texts praises Ravana for his just rule.
19. Megasthenis comes to India visits pataliputra & goes straight to Madurai. & then talks about an epic similar to Illiad of Homer (Troy story) which is many times larger in text.
20. Marco Polo visits south dravidian kingdoms & says all their gods are dark.
21. In summary, all texts - Vedas, puranas, Sastras, Ramayana, Mahabarat, etc.. are all based on south dravidian kings, places & timelines. Brahmi script (written on all south dravidian temples) is the origin for Sanskrit, Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada, Tulu, Koda - these are the only true dravidian languages. All north languages - Hindi, Punjabi, Bengali, Marathi, Bhojpuri etc.. are all persian. North temples are built on Islamic Architecture & not as per Vedic scriptures, they chant in Hindi & NOT in sanskrit. Priests in Nepal Pashupathi Nath temple are Kannadigas from Managalore/Karnataka. Thai Royal Brahmin priest send his disciples to Kanchi to learn Sanskrit. Hinduism was revived in north by Vivekananda & RSS during the british era after the decline of the mughals & they rebuilt many of the temples. There are very few temples in North India that are more than 200/300+ yrs old unlike in South India. with Ramayana propagated in all south east asian countries by Cholas, it is a story of the dravidian kings/cheftians in south india & all co-located by a few 100 kms instead of a distant North India.
22. Ramayana/Mahabarata were writted in 400 bc by Valmiki (south dravidian) who meets with Rama & teaches Lava/Kush. so these are based on dravidian cheiftans/kings
23. anything above cauvery (Ganga) was north for them. So there is NO arayan invasion - debunked by many of the western researchers.
Sanskrit, Kannada, Telugu, Tamil, Tulu, Koda, Malayalam are the true dravidian languages of this country. thats why Telugu is 70%sanskrit, Kannada, Tamil & Telugu are 50% sanskrti. Dravidian kingdom was named after the gods, madurai is Land of Nectar, Hampi land of kishkinda, Lanka - land of asuras, Pandavapura, Hastinapuram, etc.. so dravidian kingdoms are based on the puranas.
south dravidian kings who conquered thailand, cambodia etc.. propagated Ramayana, estabilished Ayodha & propagated sasnkrit becos it was their langauge. look at Bali, Suvarnabhumi (Thai) etc.. are all in sanskrit & tamil - by chola kings.
South brahmins/upper caste are all dravidians, they became fair becos they never worked in the sun. however ask them to stand in the sun, they will get sun tanned & turn dark. thats why u have charcoal brahmins.
south kings were all dark dravidians, they ruled in the name of lord ram. thats why there is a ayodhya in every country they conquered (Thai, Indonesia, Cambodia, North India etc..) Thai's proudly name their babies in sanskrit, embrace our culture with pride. Indonesia Bali is a world heritage again a significant cultural reminince of south dravidian kings.
Caste system was dravidian origin written in ancient kingdoms of Chola, Pandian etc.. but it was supposed to be flexible & only indicated what one does, rather than impose dominance. they all talk about brahmins/Kshatriya/Vysya etc.. in every script!!
Now u know how powerful & deep our culture is. thats why Tamils/Kannada/Telugu & Malayalam people are so protective of their languages & culture.
Now hopefuly we can move forward beyond caste issues in South dravidian states, & celebrate our culture. Tamil Brahmins worshipped Dark Gods - Rama Krishna Shiva Vishnu etc.. !!. Ravana was/is a dravidian Brahmin like all south brahmins - Vadaku Brahmins are from North Karnataka & Andhra pradesh !!
Addendum - the beauty of Ramayana is that it is written by both the victors (south dravidian kings/Valmiki) & the defeated (Lanka & its dravidian descendants). Lanka version goes to Greece & gets immortalized as Homer's Illiad story of Troy. Rama is God in Ramayan, Ravana/Priam is the God in Troy Story !! & both are dravidian kings - Rama & Ravana like Priam & Agmemnon are both Greek cultural icons..
Also - British/european kings claimed lineage from Troy. Dravidian kings claimed lineage from Lord Rama. !. Rama (above cauvery/ganga river) & Ravana (down south lanka) were both powerful dravidian kings & led their people to great prosperity. Similarly Pandavas & Kauravas are dravidian cheftains who fight a long battle of mahabarata. Baratavarsha is the land from Vindyas to Kerala down south - land locked kingdown with Lanka controlling all sea routes. thats why south dravidians wanted to defeat him & reduce their influence on sea routes. so thats why only the Lanka version goes to Greece & Ramayana version goes to South east asia & other countries.
Also - No north indian king has propagated Ramayana in thier conquest like the south dravidian kings. Asoka was the greatest emporer & there was NO sanskrit there -documented by ALL researchers - no dispute on this. he later converts to Buddhism which is propagated by Kannada dravidian kings/monks.
Northern indian kings were also dravidian, asoka, chandragupta maurya etc.. maurya dynasty actually starts in Karnataka, Kalinga starts in andhra pradesh till Harshavardhana dynasty all of them were dravidians. thats why u have many dark dravidians in northern india even today. Also post the Islamic rule of 700+ yrs in north india, there was a Hindu rennaissance / revival by vivekananda/RSS leaders. they studied ramayana & interpreted that Himalayas are the mountain ranges in Nepal etc.., they named many of the current locations like ayodhya, the rivers - Ganga, Yamuna & Saraswati etc... Though Kannada rulers & Kalinga - andhra rulers ruled many parts of northern india & propagated hinduism/ramayana etc.. in the distant past most were destroyed during islamic rule.
caste system in the current repressive form did NOT exist in the south dravidian kingdoms. Till Vijayanagara empire (ruled by Chalukyas) in north karnataka/andhra, all people were treated equally, a place of just rule - documented by all Greek, Chinese, Persian travellers. It is only after its collapse during 1650+, & subsequent emergence of British & later, did the caste system in the repressive form get entrenched. so at best it was the last 300 yrs & is the worst part of our great dravidian culture !! But this is NOT the case in Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia Cambodia etc.. where Hinduism was propagated by Cholas, there is NO such repressive Caste system.
LASTLY, TROY STORY SUBSCRIBES TO THE many dravidian claims THAT RAVANA (PRIAM) WAS A JUST/HONEST KING & WORSHIPPED SHIVA (APPOLLO), RAMA WORSHIPPED/INCARNATION OF VISHNU. WAR BETWEEN RAVANA (PRIAM) & RAMA (AGMEMNON) ARE THE WAR OF SHIVA versus VISHNU (thus starts the Shiava's & Vishnavites philosophy - the war splits the dravidian society) SIMILAR TO APOLLO & ZEUS. HELEN/SITA WENT WITH PARIS/RAVANA ON HER OWN FREE WILL & ACCORD, NEVER FORCED BY RAVANA/PRIAM/PARIS - FROM TROY STORY !. STORY OF TROY (LANKA) IS SO PIOGNANT THAT MILLIONS CRIED OVER IT (FOR RAVANA/INDRAJIT - PRIAM/HECTOR) & STILL DO WHEN THEY HEARD/HEAR THE STORY. THIS CANNOT HAPPEN UNLESS RAVANA WAS TRULY A JUST/HONEST KING & THE GREEKS MUST HAVE KNOWN HIM WELL BECOS HE CONTROLLED ALL SEA ROUTES. SO THE STORY OF RAMA & RAVANA MUST BE A STORY (MERGING THE STORY OF RAMAYANA & HOMER'S ILLIAD TROY) OF TWO TRULY POWERFUL KINGS & FIGHTING FOR POWER TO CONTROL THE SEA ROUTES. GREEKS HAD NO REASON TO GLORIFY RAVANA (PRIAM), BUT CHOLAS/SOUTH DRAVIDIANS HAD EVERY REASON TO GLORIFY RAMA SINCE IT WAS THEIR KING. MY OPINION - IS TILTED IN THE FAVOUR OF RAVANA/TROY/LANKA STORY AS GREEKS ARE THE NUETRAL PARTY HERE & HAD ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO GLORIFY RAVANA (PRIAM) & MUST HAVE TRULY BEEN SHOCKED AT THE DESTRUCTION OF A GREAT EMPIRE CALLED LANKA/TROY !!
TAMIL KINGS/CULTURE IS NO DOUBT THE GREATEST IN THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT. TAMILS CONQUERED OR FOUGHT IN ALL THE COUNTRIES AROUND (HISTORICALLY TAMILS ARE PRESENT HERE, NOT RECENTLY MIGRATED)- SRILANKA, SINGAPURA, MALAYASIA, INDONESIA, THAILAND, CAMBODIA, ETC.. ALL THESE INSCRIPTIONS ARE IN TAMIL & SANSKRIT ONLY. THEY ARE ONLY ONES WITH NAVAL FLEET UNMATCHED IN ANCIENT TIMES, NORTH INDIAN KINGS DID NOT HAVE SUCH NAVAL FLEETS EXCEPT FOR KALINGA RULED BY ANDHRA RULERS. TAMIL KINGS HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY WARRING WITH LANKAN KINGS, MANY DOCUMENTED STORIES FROM DRAVIDIAN, JAIN, BUDDHIST TEXTS OF CHOLAS, PANDYAS, CHERAS WARRING WITH THEM DURING 800 TO 100 BC DURING WHICH TIME RAMAYANA ORIGINATED. INSTANCES OF TAMIL KINGS RANSACKING THE CITY OF ANURADHAPURA IN LANKA. THE PART OF LANKA CLOSER TO INDIA ARE PREDOMINANTLY TAMILS, SUBSTANTIATING CLAIMS THAT RAVANA WAS A DRAVIDIAN TAMIL BRAHMIN (CASTE SYSTEM CAME FROM DRAVIDIANS). THATS WHY MANY TAMIL DRAVIDIAN STORIES ARE VERY SYMPATHETIC TO RAVANA. ALL CITIES MENTIONED IN VEDAS/SASTRAS/RAMAYANA/MAHABARATA ARE ALL IN TAMIL NADU, KARNATKA, KERALA, ANDHRA, & LANKA. METHORA POINTS TO MADURAI (AS MENTIONED BY MEGASTHENIS HIMSELF) & NOT SOME UNKNOWN NORTH INDIAN CITY. KANSAPURAM IS IN TAMIL NADU CLOSET TO MADURAI, SO KRISHNA RULED FROM MADURAI (MATHURA).... APART FROM KAILASPURAM, SRIVAIKUNTAM, AYOTTIYAPATTINAM, HASTINAPURAM, THIRUMALA (KUBEIRA), PANDAVAPURA, VATAPI, KISHKINDA (DOCUMENTED BY ALL AS IN HAMPI OF KARNATAKA WHICH LATER WAS THE MOST FAMOUS OF ALL DRAVIDIAN KINGDOMS OF VIJAYANAGARA) ETC.. ARE ALL IN TAMIL NADU, ANDHRA & KARNATAKA.
THE REASON YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE CITIES IN NORTH INDIA/THAILAND/INDONESIA.. IS BECOS RAMAYANA WAS TAKEN THEIR BY THE KARNATKA/ANDHRA/TAMIL DRAVIDIAN RULERS. IN ALL CONQUERED LAND DRAVIDIANS ESTABLISHED AYODHYA, MATHURA ETC... & RULED IN THE NAME OF LORD RAMA, KRISHNA, ETC..
AFTER READING THIS, HOPEFULLY U WILL BETTER APPRECIATE RAVANA & IN MY OPINION HE IS THE GREATEST TAMIL DRAVIDIAN KING UNPARALLED IN HIS WISDOM, JUSTICE, WEALTH, POWER & PROBABLY GREATER THAN RAMA HIMSELF. I AM NOT SIDING WITH THE RAVANA SYMPATHETICS HERE, BUT GOING BY EASTERN/WESTERN TEXTS, LEGENDS, MYTHS BY ALL SOURCES !!! HENCE RAVANA IS RIGHTFULLY WORSHIPPED BY MANY DRAVIDIAN PEOPLE IN INDIA - BOTH SOUTH INDIA & NORTH INDIA . !!
OH RAVANA THE GREATEST NOBLE KING EVER, UNPARALLELED IN YOUR RIGHTNESS, WISDOM & JUSTICE !. HOW CUNNINGLY YOU WERE UNDONE BY RAMA LAKSHMANA SUGRIVA & HANUMAN ACTIVELY SUPPORTED BY THE GODS !! CRIES AN OLD LADY AFTER RAVANA/PRIAM IS KILLED IN THE LANKA (TROY) VERSION OF RAMAYANA !!
Only in North Hindus, you have the situation of very fair skinned people (so called aryans) worshipping Dark Gods. No where in history you have this. Greek gods are all white. gods reflected the local people & color. South Brahmins while they are fair, are NOT as fair as North Indians. & they turn dark when sun tanned. Charcoal Brahmins & far too many of them !! Caste system is a dravidian origin - Nowhere else inlcluding persia, central asia, Huns, Kushanas etc.. But all Tamil Kings talk about caste system - Brahmin as a word come only in our texts, but NEVER in any other culture. ! Ramayana/Mahabarata legends cannot exist in Vaccum without any historical basis. so they must be based on local kings in india & their wars/lives. the fact that Chola empire propagated ramyana/sanskrit & tamil so much in all south east countries shows their naval poweress, & a very powerful evidence that this is their story, legacy, culture, Kings & religion. all South east asia countries have writings only in Tamil & Sanskrit, no other indian language !! for eg., Angor Vat (vattaram) greatest temple in Bali includes detailed inscriptions in sanskrit & tamil only. Add to this, the fact that the tamil kings have been warring with lanka for centuries & eventually ransacking/buring anuradhapura/lanka !! BUT NO SINGLE HISTORICAL INSTANCE OF ANY NORTH INDIAN KING COMING TO SOUTH INDIA & WAGING A WAR WITH LANKA EVER IN ANY DOCUMENTED TEXT, HENCE NORTH INDIANS CAN ONLY/DO CLAIM IT IS A MYTH LIKE THE GREEKS. BUT IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO ENSIVION SUCH A COMPLEX STORY & WRITE IT WITHOUT A BASIS TO LOCAL KINGS/STORIES, FOLK TALES ETC.. + SO MUCH EVIDENCE OF SUCH A STORY/PLACES/FOLK TALES IN SOUTH INDIA/LANKA !! Proud dravidian kings will NEVER propagate Ramayana to all south east asia where a "Aryan Rama" kills a "Dark Dravidian Ravana" & that too rule in the name of Aryan Lord Ram. Impossible. So Rama had to be Dark & one of their Anscetors !!
Source Texts - Vedas (Rigveda & Yajur Veda), Ramayana, Mahabarata, Analysis of Legends of Ganga, South Indian temple towns & locations, south east asia cities (Ayodhya in Indonesia, Ayuttya in Thailand, Bali, Suvarnabhumi etc..) scripts written in SEA countries + on our South Dravidian Temples + extensive study of Homer's Illiad Troy Story + Odyssues + Greek Gods/Culture + Western research.
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