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Ramdev is trying to mislead society: Shankaracharya

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"Slamming Baba Ramdev's indefinite fast against corruption, Shankaracharya Swarupanand Saraswati said he should first "clean up his own house" as he has a Rs 11,000 crore empire.

"Baba Ramdev should first clean up his own home," the Shankaracharya said here while on his way to Badrinath from Delhi.

"The reality is that Ramdev is trying to mislead society," he said.

Questioning what part an ascetic has to play in politics, he accused Ramdev of trying to achieve his political ambitions.

Those taking part in the spiritual guide's "satyagraha" are not common people but are those who are used to "staying in AC," he alleged."

(from Indianexpress.com June 4, 2011)

What say you all?
 
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No foreign force is necessary to destabilize Hindus. People like Swarupanand is enough to do the damage. Why can't this man see the cause for which a Yogi is fighting instead of the personal qualities of the man. I have been to this Sankaracharya's Ashram few times in Joshimath on the way to Badrinath. It is in a pathetic condition, about which this "Acharya" should worry about than passing comments on others. The fact is that at one time this person was heading Ramarajya Parishad Party. As per his biography compiled by Paul Mason "His name has been linked with politics of Congress Party and is perceived to have been an ally of former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and a friend to Sonia Gandhi".

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
Brahmanyan said:
No foreign force is necessary to destabilize Hindus. People like Swarupanand is enough to do the damage.
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I entirely agree that Hindus are the worst enemies of Hindus. Apart from the Sankaracharyas of Kanchi and Sringeri, the other Sankaracharyas are virtually unknown entities. Still they make such comments.
Personally I feel that Baba Ramdev started this compaign as oneupmanship against Anna Hazare. Some months back Baba started the movement against corruption but it fizzled out due to the indifference of the media and his followers. Suddenly, the sulking Baba found that Anna could mobilise mass support on the very same issue and force the government for negotiation on Lok Pal bill.
At that time, Baba questioned the composition of the civil society members of the drafting committee but did not find much support. So he was waiting for an opportunity to upstage Anna Hazare and did it effectively now by taking care to invite all the media persons. Be that as it may, we have to support whoever raises voice against corruption as, after all, someone has to bell the cat. Let us see whether he shows the same vigour after his arrest and deportation from Delhi.
 
What I I see in Kapil Sibal's press conference on June 04, 2011, the arrest of Baba Ramdev on the early hours of June 05, 2011, Swaroopanand's vituperative comments on Baba Ramdev - all these and more show only one thing. The Congress Party, the present Indian Government and some powerful vested interests do NOT want a Law for creation of a strong Lok Pal to be passed. They have calculated that by feeding the public with a series of such dramatic distractions, people of this country will be bogged down in internal squabbles on petty things and forget the main issue - that of bringing the stashed away black money out in the open and taking it into the coffers of the Government. What is shocking and saddening is that they seem to be succeeding in their endeavour too!
 
Ramdev is no worse than most of the government bigwigs, who are highly corrupt. Plus Ramdev's following is one based on faith, not politics. RSS seems to be behind all this. I expect some serious fall-out in a few days.
 
My two-cents on this:

1. Bribery, corruption, abuse of power and black money are all very entrenched items in the Society.. it is estimated that about 65% of Indians either GIVE or TAKE bribery in their daily lives.

One of the reasons cited is a wide disparity between the wages of salaried Gov't employees and the prices of essential commodities, as some one mentioned in another thread here.

As such, the matter is very complex and it needs concerted efforts by ALL political parties and their cadre..

Yogi Ramdev and Anna Hazare must come together and pool their resources to fire up the Indians, not working against each other.

2. It appears Yogi Ramdev has nearly U$ 1 billion assets at his younger age.. He must immediately publish in the NET as to how he got those assets, his yearly income and expenditure... He must show the world that he has nothing to hide, as Sankaracharya points out.

3. Since the problem is so vast and pervasive, a hunger strike is not the right way to go long term... may be, initially to draw the attention of the media, a hunger strike for a week or so is appropriate.

Remember, the media is the biggest culprit here, they are working for the Corporates who control the strings of power in India, as it is true elsewhere also.

Cheers.

ps. Delhi Gov't claims that Ramdev abused the license to use the grounds to do yoga to propagate his political agenda..therefore, they revoked the license and clamped Cr 144 in and around the ground. Ramdev can go to the Court to redress his grievances, if any..

Gov't should allow Ramdev and Anna Hazare to go on hunger strike without disrupting public life - maybe, in their own residences!
 
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What I I see in Kapil Sibal's press conference on June 04, 2011, the arrest of Baba Ramdev on the early hours of June 05, 2011, Swaroopanand's vituperative comments on Baba Ramdev - all these and more show only one thing. The Congress Party, the present Indian Government and some powerful vested interests do NOT want a Law for creation of a strong Lok Pal to be passed. They have calculated that by feeding the public with a series of such dramatic distractions, people of this country will be bogged down in internal squabbles on petty things and forget the main issue - that of bringing the stashed away black money out in the open and taking it into the coffers of the Government. What is shocking and saddening is that they seem to be succeeding in their endeavour too!
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Dear Sri CLN,

True. When you look at the over all picture of the entire episode what you say seems to be correct. First a group of Ministers and high Government officials go to Airport to receive Baba Ramdev, then a couple of Ministers continue dialogue with him and trap him to sign a letter. And suddenly the Police sweep to action by cancelling the permit for the meeting and arresting the Baba at 2.00 AM on Sunday morning. The good old British method of diplomacy. Kapil Sibal is a shrewd Lawyer, he knows how to deal his cards. But Congress Party should understand that the common man in the this Country will give a befitting reply when he gets a chance, that is what the results of recent elections has taught us.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
Very true Brahmanyan Sir,

Kapil Sibal's theatrics may work wonders within the precincts of a law-court room, but not in the 'Peoples' Court'! He put his foot in his mouth a few months ago in just pooh-poohing CAG's findings in the 2G spectrum and shocked the nation in a press conference claiming that there was no scam at all! Raja and Kanimozhi are cooling their heels in Tihar now, but a typical lawyer that he is, he has no qualms of conscience to restrain him for his blunders and so he goes once again, doing his 'service' to his masters! After all, Congress may lose power in elections, but dear Kapil Sibal has nothing to worry; he will resume to churn in millions to his coffers as a brilliant Supreme Court lawyer, as there will be no dearth of billionaires to pay him to 'protect' them!

As for the shenanigans of the Congress or any political party for that matter, isn't there a famous saying: "Fools never learn from experience (of self or others)?"
 
 
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Very true Brahmanyan Sir,

Kapil Sibal's theatrics may work wonders within the precincts of a law-court room, but not in the 'Peoples' Court'! He put his foot in his mouth a few months ago in just pooh-poohing CAG's findings in the 2G spectrum and shocked the nation in a press conference claiming that there was no scam at all! Raja and Kanimozhi are cooling their heels in Tihar now, but a typical lawyer that he is, he has no qualms of conscience to restrain him for his blunders and so he goes once again, doing his 'service' to his masters! After all, Congress may lose power in elections, but dear Kapil Sibal has nothing to worry; he will resume to churn in millions to his coffers as a brilliant Supreme Court lawyer, as there will be no dearth of billionaires to pay him to 'protect' them!

As for the shenanigans of the Congress or any political party for that matter, isn't there a famous saying: "Fools never learn from experience (of self or others)?"
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Dear Sri CLN,

Another worthy in Congress is Ex Raja of Raghogarh (Pop:49,193 in 2001) Digvijay Singh, a Christian convert, who calls Baba Ramdev a "thug" and a "fraud". I wish you read the articles about this man available plenty in internet to understand reasons for his antipathy towards anything that is "Hindu".

From what they do, I think, the "senior" leaders like Diggy and Sibal work overtime to decimate what ever left of the Grand Old Party. Let us wish them all the best.

By the way, where is our Prime Minister ? I hope to hear his words on the unfortunate happenings in his back yard in Delhi, soon.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
BRAHMANYAN: By the way, where is our Prime Minister ? I hope to hear his words on the unfortunate happenings in his back yard in Delhi, soon.
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Perhaps, he hasn't got clearance yet to open his mouth from Mataji, poor man!
 
renukakarthikayan said:
Dear all..read this link..

Anti-corruption Movement by H. H. Ramdev Baba






Note: this is just for information purposes and nothing more.
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Hello Renuka:

Shankaracharya and many more claim that Yogi Ramdev is a billionaire (worth about U$2 billions!).

Do you know how he got all that money? How much of it is indeed "black money"? Is he a RSS/VHP activist in the disguise of Yoga?

I smell a dead rat somewhere there! Beware!!
 
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Perhaps, he hasn't got clearance yet to open his mouth from Mataji, poor man!
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He has spoken... and he says the license to use the Ramlila ground for yoga camp was misused/abused; therefore they cancelled the license and asked the crowd to leave the place.

There was pandemonium and as per Cr 144, police brought peace to the place!

Ramdev can restart the hunger strike from his place, which he said he is doing! A billionaire himself is talking about "black money"!

I want to see his accounts examined FIRST!
 
We are not sure whether this Baba Ramdev is a person genuinely concerned with bringing out the black money out into the open or not. We haven't got yet details of how he, or, rather his Trust, acquired his alleged wealth. But the undisputedly facts are:-

1. That this Yoga Guru has a great following and was able to muster a large number of people to rally with him in his Satyagraha;
2. That the Government did permit him to start his fast in Ram Lila Maidan;
3. That the Govt. was willing to negotiate with him about the details of the proposed Lok Pal Bill;
4. That a group of senior cabinet ministers went and received him from the airport;
5. That Kapil Sibal succeeded in trapping him to sign some document - a stick to beat him with later;
6. That the Govt. decided to cancel the licence given to the Baba on 4th midnight and asked all those assembled to vacate the maidan in those unearthly hours;
7. That they lathi-charged and teargassed the assembled crowd to ensure compliance.

Now, the questions:

1. Do the actions of the Govt, appeal to any neutral observer, to be sensible, mature and wise?
2. Do not these acts expose the Govt. behaviour as knee-jerk reactions?
3. Did the Satyagraha create any tense and life-threatening atmosphere to warrant such a midnight action? What was the emergency? Why could the Govt. not wait till daybreak?
4. Digvijay Singh, one of the Congress General Secretaries, has been crying hoarse all the time, calling Baba Ramdev as a fraud, cheat etc. and all that. What sort of discipline prevails in a party whose general secretary openly abuses as a fraud, a man to whom senior cabinet ministers pay honour by receiving him in the airport?
5. Does not Congress cut a sorry picture now at being exposed of its childish hollowness in its attempt to unduly humour the Baba first, through receiving him in the airport and negotiating with him through senior ministers and later when they found him a tougher guy than they imagined, resort to carrying out a ham-handed mid-night evacuation exercise, injuring many innocents and inconveniencing hundreds of people in that process?

What a shame!
 
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Brahmanyan said:
No foreign force is necessary to destabilize Hindus. People like Swarupanand is enough to do the damage. Why can't this man see the cause for which a Yogi is fighting instead of the personal qualities of the man. I have been to this Sankaracharya's Ashram few times in Joshimath on the way to Badrinath. It is in a pathetic condition, about which this "Acharya" should worry about than passing comments on others. The fact is that at one time this person was heading Ramarajya Parishad Party. As per his biography compiled by Paul Mason "His name has been linked with politics of Congress Party and is perceived to have been an ally of former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and a friend to Sonia Gandhi".

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
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Politics is not a place for any Acharya including Baba Ramdev or Shri Swarupanandji. Kanchi Acharya got into real trouble. If anybody who can challenge God it is the politician. One may argue that since ALL politicians are corrupt some Swamiji had to step in. Still it is not the ground for Acharyas. They should go about telling the followers/devotees/public not to encourage corruption. If even half of them heed that advice, the country will become great. Politics is the field for greedy pigs. If you want to wrestle with the pigs, the pigs will be happy to welcome you but you will dirty yourself. Baba Ramdev was picked up by congress to counter Anna but looks like BJP hijacked him. And Anna is alleged to have been propped up by a Maharashtriyan strongman. I tell you it is a vicious circle encircling the common public to suffocate them.
 
CLN said:
We are not sure whether this Baba Ramdev is a person genuinely concerned with bringing out the black money out into the open or not. We haven't got yet details of how he, or, rather his Trust, acquired his alleged wealth. But the undisputedly facts are:-

1. That this Yoga Guru has a great following and was able to muster a large number of people to rally with him in his Satyagraha;
2. That the Government did permit him to start his fast in Ram Lila Maidan;
3. That the Govt. was willing to negotiate with him about the details of the proposed Lok Pal Bill;
4. That a group of senior cabinet ministers went and received him from the airport;
5. That Kapil Sibal succeeded in trapping him to sign some document - a stick to beat him with later;
6. That the Govt. decided to cancel the licence given to the Baba on 4th midnight and asked all those assembled to vacate the maidan in those unearthly hours;
7. That they lathi-charged and teargassed the assembled crowd to ensure compliance.

Now, the questions:

1. Do the actions of the Govt, appeal to any neutral observer, to be sensible, mature and wise?
2. Do not these acts expose the Govt. behaviour as knee-jerk reactions?
3. Did the Satyagraha create any tense and life-threatening atmosphere to warrant such a midnight action? What was the emergency? Why could the Govt. not wait till daybreak?
4. Digvijay Singh, one of the Congress General Secretaries, has been crying hoarse all the time, calling Baba Ramdev as a fraud, cheat etc. and all that. What sort of discipline prevails in a party whose general secretary openly abuses as a fraud, a man to whom senior cabinet ministers pay honour by receiving him in the airport?
5. Does not Congress cut a sorry picture now at being exposed of its childish hollowness in its attempt to unduly humour the Baba first, through receiving him in the airport and negotiating with him through senior ministers and later when they found him a tougher guy than they imagined, resort to carrying out a ham-handed mid-night evacuation exercise, injuring many innocents and inconveniencing hundreds of people in that process?

What a shame!
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1. The Supreme Court has asked for explanation from the Gov't as to why / what they did at the Ramlila Grounds midnight of last Sat/Sunday.
2. The PM has said that there was no alternative; and has shown regrets on the developments of events.
3. The Yoga Tent at the Grounds was meant to hold about 5000 to do yoga; and NOT for Hunger Strike which was to attract 50000 people from all around.
4. It's possible that the Police was worried about law and order at the Ground: Like what if some anti-Ramdev Gang came to attack him and his supporters? What if the over capacity lights up and the tent goes on fire?
5. If crude and raw politics get involved in Hunger Strike, events could go out of hand and hundreds of people may be killed or seriously wounded.

Now, Ramdev can go ahead with his Hunger Strike to attract attention for Black Money and Corruption...

He must quit mixing Yoga and raw politics; he must publish his income, assets and source of income etc on the NET immediately to gain sincere support from people at large...

So far, he is an Enigma to me!
 
Corruption is not politics, it is moral decadence. It is the duty of every religious leader to take up the cause to help the common man to fight against wrongs. Now that the Supreme Court has taken up the issue suo moto, we can hope that truth will come out on the mid night raid by the Police on innocent civilians sleeping.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
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B,

sir, is the supreme court becoming very active in enforcing social policies?

is this the function of the court? or should the court restrict itself to interpreting laws as it sees fit. i am just curious that is all.

because of late, whether it be 2G or baba ramdev stuff, everything seems to be driven by supreme court dicta.

i am also looking at this from a constitutional viewpoint.

i have been away from india for 37 years, and till the coming of internet, oblivious to what was happening in the political front (1973 - 2005). when i left india, indira gandhi ruled, and very often her dictats were set aside (eg bank nationalization) by the SC.

IG insisted on the supremacy of the legislature over SC as per indian constitution, and i am not sure how she went through later getting her way.

now it appears, we are playing the same song again - an active SC against a legally elected government re enforcement of law and order & suchlike.

these are just some random thoughts, with no inner purpose in mind.

thank you.
 
Sri Kunjuppu Sir,

It may appear to be judiciary Vs. legislature show, but it is not so. Again the present action may appear to be judicial activism, but it is actually government passivsm.

Although the 2G scam, Hassan Ali case etc. have been doring the rounds since 2006-07, the government machinery did not appear to be moving in the required direction, or it was not moving at all. Independent Judiciary was set up as a constitutional machinery against the Government excesses and to a layman reading or viewing media matterials, it appeared that the government had abdicated its role in addressing these "excesses" committed by a select few in the government. If you carefully analyse the cases, you will find that the supreme court is not intervening in the "legislation business" which is the domain of the parliament, but it is questioning the implementation of the policies by the government, especially when there appear to be gaping holes in the legislation and implementation.

Regards,

narayan
 
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IMHO, the present CJ of the SC, a Parsee of humble beginnings, is going full vigour and may have to tread more cautiously in future. Judiciary's powers are limited.

Ramdev, Hazare or anyone else, the public has every right to support anyone who raises a protest against corruption; this right cannot be questioned but can be politically dealt with either favourably or otherwise, if the govt. has the finesse for it. In Ramdev's case MMS and his govt has seemingly done the proverbial sardarji joke of getting beaten for not revealing where the thief went (I know but I won't tell, was the Sardarji's reply in the story) and is now finding itself in a very great crisis.

But every corruption has 3 parties to it, generally - the swindler, the swindled and a middleman at least. These middlemen will come to the rescue of the govt., eventually. I expect that the drama will end when MMS & co. feel satisfied that the Kazhakams of TN will not be able to raise their heads anymore.
 
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Some more links:
What really happened at Ramlila grounds
INSIDE STORY: What really happened at Ramlila grounds - Rediff.com News

Baba Ramdev's Rs 1,100 crore empire under scanner
Baba Ramdev's Rs 1,100 crore empire under scanner - The Economic Times

Sushma Swaraj dances, Congress throws a fit
Sushma Swaraj dances at Rajghat, Congress throws a fit - Hindustan Times

Supporters block NH-44 to oppose 'barbarism' on Ramdev‎
Supporters block NH-44 to oppose 'barbarism' on Ramdev - The Times of India

Mulayam Singh says crackdown on Ramdev an act of unstable minds‎
Mulayam Singh says crackdown on Ramdev an act of unstable minds

More in this google search:
baba ramdev - Google Search
 
kunjuppu said:
B,

sir, is the supreme court becoming very active in enforcing social policies?
is this the function of the court? or should the court restrict itself to interpreting laws as it sees fit. i am just curious that is all.
because of late, whether it be 2G or baba ramdev stuff, everything seems to be driven by supreme court dicta.
i am also looking at this from a constitutional viewpoint.
i have been away from india for 37 years, and till the coming of internet, oblivious to what was happening in the political front (1973 - 2005). when i left india, indira gandhi ruled, and very often her dictats were set aside (eg bank nationalization) by the SC.
IG insisted on the supremacy of the legislature over SC as per indian constitution, and i am not sure how she went through later getting her way.
now it appears, we are playing the same song again - an active SC against a legally elected government re enforcement of law and order & suchlike.
these are just some random thoughts, with no inner purpose in mind.
thank you.
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Dear Sri Kunjuppu,

Yes, It seems so, that Courts are over zealous in interfering in the Legislature's territory. But I could say that we require that interference. And legally this is approved in our Constitution.

Supreme Court of India is the highest Judicial Authority established by the Constitution to safe Guard the provisions of The Constitution. The Indian Constitution has given the role and jurisdiction of the establishment and Powers of this institution under Part V - Chapter IV from Article 124 to Article 147.

Articles 141 and 142 of the Constitution of India confer the authority of Supreme Court .

The law confers wide powers on the Supreme Court. Article 141 of the Indian Constitution establishes that " Law declared by Supreme Court to be binding on all courts within the territory of India " and extending this power, Article 142 empowers" The Supreme Court in the exercise of its jurisdiction may pass such decree or make such order as is necessary for doing complete justice in any cause or matter pending before it, and any decree so passed or orders so made shall be enforceable throughout the territory of India in such manner as may be prescribed by or under any law made by Parliament and, until provision in that behalf is so made, in such manner as the President may by order prescribe"

"To make it simpler, in case there is law passed by the legislature that has to be interpreted, this Article enables the Supreme Court to give it a more beneficial meaning and make its scope broader so that it benefits the people at large".

Time permits, I would request you to go through the Constituent Assembly debates on these sections. It is worth reading for the substance of debates that had taken place in olden days, by the learned members of the Constituent Assembly.

If this check and guidance of Supreme Court is not there, I am afraid our Legislatures will pass all sorts of "legal" enactments to suit their convenience. The recent happenings and scams have shown how the rules can be changed to obtain monetary gains for individuals occupying high positions.


Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
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