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Ramayana is Real, Say Experts

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Shri Samarapungavan Sir,

Before I give my comments to your learned posts nos.170 to 175 above, permit me to digress a little.

I am sure you have read, or at least heard about, a famous thriller novel titled "Day of the Jackal" written by Frederick Forsyth. It describes an imaginary, failed, assassination attempt on Charles De Gaulle, the (Late) President of France, by a French dissident organization OAS which contracts a professional sharpshooter. The assassination attempt fails dramatically in the very last minute, thanks to the braver of a government detective, who kills the assassin but sacrifices his life. This is the detailed plot, in a nutshell.

The novel gives accurate descriptions about an earlier failed attempt on the life of De Gaulle, as also very correct descriptions of many locales of Paris, the government of France, etc.

The question is whether the novel therefore gives a true incident which actually happened in history, or whether it remains the imagination of its author Frederick Forsyth? Will you agree that it is a "true incident"?

The truth or otherwise of the Rama story imo has to be decided on the same lines of argument.

My views/comments on your six posts will follow.
 
Purananooru pertains to Jainism (Samanar) and Silapathikaram pertains to Jainism or Buddhism.

Since Jainism also has a Ramayana story, Purananooru's reference, in all probability, may be related to their work.
 
Sriman Sarang,

आत्मानं मानुषं मन्ये रामं दशरथात्मजम् || ६-११७-११
सोऽहं यस्य यतश्चाहं भगवंस्तद्ब्रवीतु मे |
தாங்கள் குறிப்பிட்ட இந்த ஸ்லோகம் யுத்த காண்டத்தில் வருகிறது.
இராமன் தன்னை ஒரு மனுஷ்யன், தசரத புத்ரன் என்று சொல்லிக்கொள்கிறார்.
இதை அவதார விடம்பனம் என்று ஆசார்யர்கள் கூறுவர்.
அதற்கு முன்னும், பின்னும் உள்ள ஸ்லோகங்களில், ப்ரஹ்மா, ருத்ரர் முதலிய தேவர்கள்
அனைவரும் ஸ்ரீராமரை, ஶாக்ஷாத் நாராயணன் என்று கூறி, ஸ்துதி செய்கிறார்கள்.
இது ப்ரஹ்ம ஸ்துதி என்று பெயர் பெற்றது. இது பாராயண க்ரமத்தில், பட்டாபிஷேக
ஸர்கத்துடன் சேர்த்து பாராயணம் செய்யப்படுகிறது.

भवान्नारायणो देवः श्रीमांश्चक्रायुधः प्रभुः || ६-११७-१३
एकशृङ्गो वराहस्त्वं भूतभव्यसपत्नजित् |
अक्षरं ब्रह्म सत्यं च मध्ये चान्ते च राघव || ६-११७-१४
लोकानां त्वं परो धर्मो विष्वक्सेनश्चतुर्भजः |
शार्ङ्गधन्वा हृषीकेशः पुरुषः पुरुषोत्तमः || ६-११७-१५
अजितः खड्गधृग्विष्णुः कृष्णश्चैव महाबलः |
सेनानीर्ग्रामणीश्च त्वं त्वं बुद्धि स्त्वं क्षमा दमः || ६-११७-१६
प्रभवश्चाप्ययश्च त्वमुपेन्द्रो मधुसूदनः |
इन्द्रकर्मा महेन्द्रस्त्वं पद्मनाभो रणान्तकृत् || ६-११७-१७
शरण्यं शरणम् च त्वामहुर्दिव्या महर्षयः |
सहस्रशृङ्गो वेदात्मा शतशीर्षो महर्षभः || ६-११७-१८
त्वं त्रयाणां हि लोकानामादिकर्ता स्वयंप्रभुः |
सिद्धानामपि साध्यानामाश्रयश्चासि पूर्वजः || ६-११७-१९
त्वं यज्ञ्स्त्वं वषट्कारस्त्वमोंकारः परात्परः || ६-११७-२०
प्रभवं निधनं वा ते नो विदुः को भवानिति |
दृश्यसे सर्वभूतेषु गोषु च ब्राह्मणेषु च || ६-११७-२१
दिक्षु सर्वासु गगने पर्वतेषु नदीषु च |
सहस्रचरणः श्रीमान् शतशीर्षः सहस्रदृक् || ६-११७-२२
त्वं धारयसि भूतानि पृथिवीं च सपर्वताम् |
अन्ते पृथिव्याः सलिले दृश्यसे त्वं महोरगः || ६-११७-२३
त्रीन् लोकान् धारयन् राम देवगन्धर्वदानवान् |
अहं ते हृदयं राम जिह्वा देवी सरस्वती || ६-११७-२४
देवा रोमाणि गात्रेषु ब्रह्मणा निर्मिताः प्रभो |
निमेषस्ते स्मृता रात्रिरुन्मेषो दिवसस्तथा || ६-११७-२५
संस्कारास्त्वभवन्वेदा नैतदस्ति त्वया विना |
जगत्सर्वं शरीरं ते स्थैर्यं ते वसुधातलम् || ६-११७-२६
अग्निः कोपः प्रसादस्ते सोमः श्रीवत्सलक्षणः |
त्वया लोकास्त्रयः क्रान्ताः पुरा स्वैर्विक्रमैस्त्रिभिः || ६-११७-२७
महेन्द्रश्च कृतो राजा बलिं बद्ध्वा सुदारुणम् |
सीता लक्ष्मीर्भवान् विष्णुर्देवः कृष्णः प्रजापतिः || ६-११७-२८
वधार्थं रावणस्येह प्रविष्टो मानुषीं तनुम् |
तदिदं नस्त्वया कार्यं कृतं धर्मभृतां वर || ६-११७-२९
निहतो रावणो राम प्रहृष्टो दिवमाक्रम |
अमोघं देव वीर्यं ते न ते मोघाः पराक्रमाः || ६-११७-३०
अमोघं दर्शनं राम अमोघस्तव संस्तवः |
अमोघास्ते भविष्यन्ति भक्तिमन्तो नरा भुवि || ६-११७-३१
ये त्वां देवम् ध्रुवं भक्ताः पुराणं पुरुषोत्तमम् |
प्राप्नुवन्ति सदा कामानिह लोके पात्र च || ६-११७-३२
इममार्षम् स्तवं दिव्यमितिहासं पुरातनम् || ६-११७-३३
ये नराः कीर्तयिष्यन्ति नास्ति तेषां पराभवः |

நீரே வராஹ மூர்த்தி, அக்ஷரப்ப்ரஹ்மம், பத்மனாபன், ஸ்ரீவத்ஸன், என்றும், சீதை லக்ஷ்மி தேவி, நீரே விஷ்ணு என்று ப்ரஹ்மா கூறுகிறார்.
இந்த ஸ்துதியில் பலஸ்ருதி சொல்லப்பட்டதால், பாரயணம் செய்ய்ய உகந்தது.
 
Maybe I am raking up an old topic here, but I just got thinking about the ideas/ideals to be learnt from Krishna's life. Some members were of the opinion that ideals followed by Rama were examples for humanity, and that in itself was Godhood (if I am paraphrasing it correctly). Then, applying the same logic, what could be the life examples set by Krishna?
 
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