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Dear Sravna,

When it comes to Kundalini and chakra activation...its better not to actively get involved..just let nature take its course.

I have seen people who actively tried to "activate" Kundalini and keep a close watch on it and results can be disastrous.

Even Swami Vivekananda has cautioned about Kundalini activation.

The best is to ignore all signs and symptoms of chakra activation.

Medically there are plexus of nerves at each location of a chakra..naturally more impulses will be there for everyone.

BTW Kundalini does not rise when we place our hand at a chakra.That is just our mind connecting with the extra neuronal impulses at a plexus since we are aware of the chakra location.
 
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renuka said:
Dear Sravna,

When it comes to Kundalini and chakra activation...its better not to actively get involved..just let nature take its course.

I have seen people who actively tried to "activate" Kundalini and keep a close watch on it and results can be disastrous.

Even Swami Vivekananda has cautioned about Kundalini activation.

The best is to ignore all signs and symptoms of chakra activation.

Medically there are plexus of nerves at each location of a chakra..naturally more impulses will be there for everyone.

BTW Kundalini does not rise when we place our hand at a chakra.That is just our mind connecting with the extra neuronal impulses at a plexus since we are aware of the chakra location.
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Dear Renuka,

The problem with science is that it tries to explain the physical manifestation of something spiritual and by explaining that it seems to believe there is nothing spiritual. Many people fall into this trap.
 
sravna said:
Dear Renuka,

The problem with science is that it tries to explain the physical manifestation of something spiritual and by explaining that it seems to believe there is nothing spiritual. Many people fall into this trap.
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Dear Sravna,

There is something called Logic that applies to both science and spirituality.

Even in text about Kundalini and Chakras...the position of plexuses are explained and the corresponding plexus in the physical body is acknowledged.


For example the solar plexus in the human body which is visible to the naked eyes is a complex of ganglia and radiating nerves of the sympathetic system at the pit of the stomach and its position corresponds to the Manipura Chakra..this is even acknowledged by "spiritual"text.

Spirituality is not Magic..its also Logic.

The greatest trap of all is believing Sprituality defies all laws known to mankind and is a "Higher" phenomenon.

Even an Avatar adheres to Dharma of the Yuga.

There is nothing real that defies logic.

Only the unreal defies logic.
 
Dear Renuka,

What I am saying is that spirituality can defy the current known laws of science. Science is yet to reach the point where it can logically explain spirituality.
 
sravna said:
Dear Renuka,

What I am saying is that spirituality can defy the current known laws of science. Science is yet to reach the point where it can logically explain spirituality.
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Nope...it does not defy any known law or unknown law...its just that we have not found all answers yet.
 
Folks,

I am putting together the questions covered so far and my answers here.


1.What is spirituality?

Spirituality is the way of life in accordance with the laws of reality of inner self. The inner reality comprises of time, mind, thoughts and at even deeper level it comprises of timelessness, pure consciousness and blissful experience. The external reality on the other hand comprises of space, physical energy and events. I use the term physical energy to include matter also. The extent of one’s spirituality depends on the extent to which the inner reality prevails.

2.How do we know that inner reality exists?


To answer the question, how do we know that inner reality exists, let us recall what external reality is:A external reality is defined by space, physical energy and events. Physical energy is contained in the space and events occur in the space. Anything which do not satisfy these and accessible to us can be called as inner reality.We defined inner reality as time, mind and thoughts and then at a deeper level as timelessness, pure consciousness and blissful experience.

Let us consider some physical energy which has mass of 5 units.If additional physical energy of 5 units mass are added to it , we except the total energy of the system to be 10 units mass.But something different happens if the added physical energy synchronizes or bonds with the original energy. Synchronization has the property of reducing the total mass of the system. But the state of synchrony producing a higher energy than the sum of the parts, the total energy i.e, mass plus non-mass will actually increase.

In the above example the total mass will decrease say by 2 units so that the total mass of the system is 8 units but the energy itself will be more than 10 units say 12 units. So by bonding 10 units mass has been converted to 8 units mass and there are 4 units non mass.So we see that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. There is thus the additional experience of the whole. This is what we call as self awareness or consciousness. This consciousness reaches the level of life when there is greater and greater synchronizations of energy and the mass part becomes zero. And then the inner reality of mind and soul follow.

So to answer the question whether inner reality exists we just have to know whether pure undifferentiated energy is possible and whether it exists within us. With greater and greater synchronization, differentiation disappears more and more and the state of pure energy can be reached. Mind represents the intermediate form of that energy and pure consciousness the ultimate state.



The above is something that can be scientifically tested.

3. Why should we care to know about inner reality?

Because it is knowledge too like the knowledge uncovered by science. Laws of science are universal. Are they also time independent? I do not think so. That there is a time dependent reality would be evident from considering our own brain.

Consider a physical system as a black box. For a particular set of inputs it behaves the same way and repeats the same output. Science depends on such repeatability. But considering our brain as a black box , for the very same signal it can give different outputs. Brain has the capability to evolve with time.

Thus we can say that the laws according to which the brain acts are not confined to the laws of science. There are higher laws than laws of science and so a higher reality. So to possess real knowledge and improve ourselves we need to master the knowledge about this reality.
 
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4. Why are many people reluctant to believe in inner reality?
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Becos its subject to delusion and imagination.

BTW Sravna...I run my daily life without the need to identify with my so called inner reality...frankly speaking I do not feel the inner reality needs to be given undue importance.

I feel those who give undue importance to inner reality are no different from those who are chase after the phenomenal external world.

Both are on a hunt and a chase...only the direction differs.

The one who is practical pays no undue importance to both outside nor inside...he just functions as a whole unit without the need to break himself into an inside or outside.
 
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Answers in blue.

sravna said:
Folks,

I am putting together the questions covered so far and my answers here.


1.What is spirituality?

Spirituality frankly can never be defined.

Its more of an Abrahamic definition than anything else becos the word Spirit identifies more with the Holy Spirit of the Christian Trinity of Father,Son and Holy Ghost/Spirit.


2.How do we know that inner reality exists?


Those who KNOW do not say they know and those who do NOT know claim to know.



3. Why should we care to know about inner reality?


No one really needs to care about knowing..life can function in ignorant mode too.
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For something to be considered a reality it has to exist, be perceived and offer experiences and so gaining of knowledge. Humans are constantly gaining knowledge and so are perceiving which shows a reality exists.

Many consider the above mentioned reality as physical reality alone and may attribute the gaining of knowledge or our thinking to brain. But as I argued in the previous question, brain itself does not follow universal laws and is something that can evolve. Again, anything that is purely physical has to obey the universal laws which brain does not. That shows there is an influence on the brain that is beyond the physical and that points to the inner world.

So if people stop their strong attachment to the belief that seeing is the only proof of reality, they will be open to accept the existence of inner reality.
 
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sravna said:
Folks,


Let us consider some physical energy which has mass of 5 units.If additional physical energy of 5 units mass are added to it , we except the total energy of the system to be 10 units mass.But something different happens if the added physical energy synchronizes or bonds with the original energy. Synchronization has the property of reducing the total mass of the system. But the state of synchrony producing a higher energy than the sum of the parts, the total energy i.e, mass plus non-mass will actually increase.

In the above example the total mass will decrease say by 2 units so that the total mass of the system is 8 units but the energy itself will be more than 10 units say 12 units. So by bonding 10 units mass has been converted to 8 units mass and there are 4 units non mass.So we see that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. There is thus the additional experience of the whole. This is what we call as self awareness or consciousness. This consciousness reaches the level of life when there is greater and greater synchronizations of energy and the mass part becomes zero. And then the inner reality of mind and soul follow

The above is something that can be scientifically tested..
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Not really - This is contradictory to the law of Coservation of Mass - Energy

The Conservation of Mass-Energy

Back to "Energy, Work, Heat, Temperature."
There is a scientific law called the Law of Conservation of Mass, discovered by Antoine Lavoisier in 1785.In its most compact form, it states:
matter is neither created nor destroyed.

​
In 1842, Julius Robert Mayer discovered the Law of Conservation of Energy. In its most compact form, it it now called the First Law of Thermodynamics:
energy is neither created nor destroyed.

​
In 1907 (I think), Albert Einstein announced his discovery of the equation E = mc[SUP]2[/SUP] and, as a consequence, the two laws above were merged into the Law of Conservation of Mass-Energy:

the total amount of mass and energy in the universe is constant.​
https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&r...iXMkYkWVF0OZk6R7A&sig2=La1a2H4lYpozhM4b6W9HfA
 
Janaki Jambunathan said:
Not really - This is contradictory to the law of Coservation of Mass - Energy

The Conservation of Mass-Energy

Back to "Energy, Work, Heat, Temperature."
There is a scientific law called the Law of Conservation of Mass, discovered by Antoine Lavoisier in 1785.In its most compact form, it states:
matter is neither created nor destroyed.

​
In 1842, Julius Robert Mayer discovered the Law of Conservation of Energy. In its most compact form, it it now called the First Law of Thermodynamics:
energy is neither created nor destroyed.

​
In 1907 (I think), Albert Einstein announced his discovery of the equation E = mc[SUP]2[/SUP] and, as a consequence, the two laws above were merged into the Law of Conservation of Mass-Energy:

the total amount of mass and energy in the universe is constant.​
https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&r...iXMkYkWVF0OZk6R7A&sig2=La1a2H4lYpozhM4b6W9HfA
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I will talk about it later but current laws of science are not the ultimate laws.
 
sravna said:
But as I argued in the previous question, brain itself does not follow universal laws and is something that can evolve.
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Dear Sravna,

I think I have brought this point up many times...the Brain DOES Follow its Law.

All human organs follows its Dharma..its the Dharma of the heart to beat...its the Dharma of the Brain to have neuronal responses..its the Dharma of the Kidneys to filter.

Only the human mind has the option not to follow any Dharma.


If Brain was chaotic and never followed its Dharma...none of us would even survive.

I feel you are equating the function of Brain with the Mind.

Brain is not the MIND and Mind is NOT the Brain but evidence suggest that both are interrelated to a great extent when it comes to function.

For example a person prone to depression can have a different ratio of neurotransmitters compared to people who are supposedly normal..so this organic change of ratio can alter one's mind too.

But one can also argue..did the mind change the ratio in the brain or did the ratio in the brain change the mind?

Hard to answer as for now...so the least we can say logically that each human organ functions according to its nature ordained Dharma.

Its entirely wrong to think that the Brain does not follow any Universal Law.
 
Vaagmi said:
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What is the unit of measurement of that "amount"?

Just curious.
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The constant is not quantified in scientific Equation It is represented by an alphabet like K for Krishna You can visualize in Viswaroopam or as Vamam as per your spiritual or scientific temprament!
 
Dear Renuka,

By saying that brain does not follow universal laws I meant it was under the influence of higher laws which can override these universal laws. So mind has to occupy a position higher than the brain and would be in control of the brain.
 
sravna said:
Dear Renuka,

By saying that brain does not follow universal laws I meant it was under the influence of higher laws which can override these universal laws. So mind has to occupy a position higher than the brain and would be in control of the brain.
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Dear Sravna,

You still prefer to always feel there is something "Higher".

That is your addiction to spirituality.

It holds your thoughts and existence..can you delete the concept of a "Higher Reality" from your mind?

Can you try that and let me know how you feel?

My understanding is Why grade anything to start with.

A more neutral definition would be "Undefined concepts"...cos we have no idea what we are talking about...not that we deny it but we can not define it.

Yesterday my father was having a conversation with me saying he is into the concept of a formless worship...then I asked him than why do you still do morning prayers and have a prayer room..you are indeed practicing worship with form and BTW formless concept of worship does not exist.

He was not too happy with my opinion and asked me why I feel the formless concept of prayer does not exists?

I said...even if you pray without an idol or an image ...as long as the concept of prayer exists...that forms an impression/imprint in the mind..that lends an undefined form to the mind.

We humans can not be entirely blank...formlessness is not possible.
 
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Believe me Renuka, I am not obsessed with anything higher but one needs to confront the truth which some people are very disinclined to. I am as comfortable with the material reality as I am with the higher. What is really needed is a balance.
 
sravna said:
Believe me Renuka, I am not obsessed with anything higher but one needs to confront the truth which some people are very disinclined to. I am as comfortable with the material reality as I am with the higher. What is really needed is a balance.
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Dear Sravna,

Why not just exists without even the need to be seeking a balance.

I prefer just existing...doing my duty in the way best known to me.

That should suffice.

Seeking a balance forever would make one Bipolar eventually.
 
renuka said:
Dear Sravna,

Why not just exists without even the need to be seeking a balance.

I prefer just existing...doing my duty in the way best known to me.

That should suffice.

Seeking a balance forever would make one Bipolar eventually.
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It is not enough to just exist Renuka, It is the most rudimentary state of living. You need to be conscious of why you exist and derive happiness from such knowledge. Balance which is achieved in this process helps us from not being afflicted by undue influences.
 
Folks,

I am putting together the questions covered so far and my answers here.

1.What is spirituality?

Spirituality is the way of life in accordance with the laws of reality of inner self. The inner reality comprises of time, mind, thoughts and at even deeper level it comprises of timelessness, pure consciousness and blissful experience. The external reality on the other hand comprises of space, physical energy and events. I use the term physical energy to include matter also. The extent of one’s spirituality depends on the extent to which the inner reality prevails.

2.How do we know that inner reality exists?


To answer the question, how do we know that inner reality exists, let us recall what external reality is:A external reality is defined by space, physical energy and events. Physical energy is contained in the space and events occur in the space. Anything which do not satisfy these and accessible to us can be called as inner reality.We defined inner reality as time, mind and thoughts and then at a deeper level as timelessness, pure consciousness and blissful experience.

Let us consider some physical energy which has mass of 5 units.If additional physical energy of 5 units mass are added to it , we except the total energy of the system to be 10 units mass.But something different happens if the added physical energy synchronizes or bonds with the original energy. Synchronization has the property of reducing the total mass of the system. But the state of synchrony producing a higher energy than the sum of the parts, the total energy i.e, mass plus non-mass will actually increase.

In the above example the total mass will decrease say by 2 units so that the total mass of the system is 8 units but the energy itself will be more than 10 units say 12 units. So by bonding 10 units mass has been converted to 8 units mass and there are 4 units non mass.So we see that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. There is thus the additional experience of the whole. This is what we call as self awareness or consciousness. This consciousness reaches the level of life when there is greater and greater synchronizations of energy and the mass part becomes zero. And then the inner reality of mind and soul follow.

So to answer the question whether inner reality exists we just have to know whether pure undifferentiated energy is possible and whether it exists within us. With greater and greater synchronization, differentiation disappears more and more and the state of pure energy can be reached. Mind represents the intermediate form of that energy and pure consciousness the ultimate state.

The above is something that can be scientifically tested.

3. Why should we care to know about inner reality?

Because it is knowledge too like the knowledge uncovered by science. Laws of science are universal. Are they also time independent? I do not think so. That there is a time dependent reality would be evident from considering our own brain.

Consider a physical system as a black box. For a particular set of inputs it behaves the same way and repeats the same output. Science depends on such repeatability. But considering our brain as a black box , for the very same signal it can give different outputs. Brain has the capability to evolve with time.

Thus we can say that the laws according to which the brain acts are not confined to the laws of science. There are higher laws than laws of science and so a higher reality. So to possess real knowledge and improve ourselves we need to master the knowledge about this reality.
​


4. Why are many people reluctant to believe in inner reality?
For something to be considered a reality it has to exist, be perceived and offer experiences and so gaining of knowledge. Humans are constantly gaining knowledge and so are perceiving which shows a reality exists.

Many consider the above mentioned reality as physical reality alone and may attribute the gaining of knowledge or our thinking to brain. But as I argued in the previous question, brain itself does not follow universal laws and is something that can evolve. Again, anything that is purely physical has to obey the universal laws which brain does not. That shows there is an influence on the brain that is beyond the physical and that points to the inner world.

So if people stop their strong attachment to the belief that seeing is the only proof of reality, they will be open to accept the existence of inner reality.
​

​
 
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