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palindrome

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what no fixed sampradaya ? are you sure?

every yogic practice from ordinary aasana yogas to your kundalini - goes from vedas - my dear.

and who carried the priceless transmission generation from generation?

it is brahmins - not only carried what's said also imparted and taught to the public and lived upto that.

It is very easy to put down one , it is hard to appreciate what benefits they brought to the society as whole.

i hope you have even tried to speak to someone who ever did kundalini form of yoga...

those naga babas, nath ppl, the ones doing laya, etc are no way related to the current 'brahmins'. they are not following any untouchability..

i already told you to go find out how some sections became so-called brahmins in the colonial times...
 
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s007bala

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bala!

Is not learning sense of gratitude more important than learning Kundalini?

regards

ok i tried to dodge :( gratitude is something which comes on its accord to ones being without any external stimuli or prompting.same kundalini gets activated in a minority few with no apparent effort on their part but itself on its own accord.in majority of the cases kundalini shakthi gets activated only thru a deeksha guru.

gratitude=highest form of living.

Yatra Naaryasthu poojyanthe
Ramanethe thatra devathaha

Where women are treated with dignity and Womanhood is worshipped, there Roam the GODS

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s007bala

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-how did they get to know the teaching at first?

its 'swayambhu' or 'iccha shakthi' thru repeated births of life forms=just like vedas are there in akasham for rishis to see it with divya drishti or like how newton understood gravitation or akarshna shakthi and formulated laws or sampradayas for the bhu-loka to understand and live....

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s007bala

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sorry not from current brahmins...

if you wanna know the history, leave me out and please see a teacher bcoz in this topic you will not find anybody willing to discuss openly..

well i don't know,what peoples grouse are against current brahmins?whether current or past or future=brahmins will be brahmins,just like other personality traits kshatriyas,vaishyas,shudras.

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palindrome

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pali!

are you saying " there is absolutely no scriptural reference" on theetu?

and it is all one bad interpretation?

yes.

please quote any reference to any vedic texts on untouchability.

not dharmashastras, puranas give me references from the rig, sama, yajur and atharva...lemme know if it existed in the vedic times...
 
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malgova.mango

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bala!

even a baby monkey knows about gravitation...that's why it latches to mother's body.

The entire corpus of Yoga sutra is from Vedas.

We have Brahma Sutra, Yoga Sutra and Bhakti Sutra all have source in VEDAS .

Regards
 

palindrome

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well i don't know,what peoples grouse are against current brahmins?whether current or past or future=brahmins will be brahmins,just like other personality traits kshatriyas,vaishyas,shudras.

sb

what grouse against current brahmins? was responding to mm that kundalini practices did not come from current brahmins..that's all.
 
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malgova.mango

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yes.

please quote any reference to any vedic texts on untouchability.

not dharmashastras, puranas give me references from the rig, sama, yajur and atharva...lemme know if it existed in the vedic times...

why you want me to exclude that?

anyway my parents practiced theetu - whenever they did poojas and vratas.
they won't touch us (children) till the end of it.
 
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palindrome

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The entire corpus of Yoga sutra is from Vedas.

We have Brahma Sutra, Yoga Sutra and Bhakti Sutra all have source in VEDAS .

Regards

ofcourse its vedas...who said its not...

but nobody owes it to any current 'brahmins'...you think baba ramdev is a brahmin? go find out more abt various monastic schools and yoga akhadas...
 

palindrome

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why you want me to exclude that?

anyway my parents practiced theetu - whenever they did poojas and vratas.

because dharmashastras and puranas were not written by vedic brahmins...they were written after the northern hordes came into india and absorbed themselves into existing vedic cultures..

so gimme verses from vedic texts only if untouchability is sanctioned by those texts or not..
 
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malgova.mango

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that's not what I read.

From Yangyavalkaya Smirti to Parahsara Smriti all are written by seers.

common who are the northern hordes u are talking about.
 

palindrome

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that's not what I read.

From Yangyavalkaya Smirti to Parahsara Smriti all are written by seers.

common who are the northern hordes u are talking about.

all those seers were local guys....please ask this to Sri N-ji...he can explain without his emotions coming in b/w....because in this topic these days i am not able to feel ok..

ppl look down upon some ppl like say toddy tapers as low class but forgot soma oblations in the vedas..its around the same 'type' of occupation...in the sangam times brahmins were doing all sorts of occupations, they were killing all sorts of animals and ofering bali, the brahmin class was fluid...then later things got rigid..and those old classes are tribes now...you yourself can read thru available literature...i have given sufficient leads, spoken brazenly in the other threads too and do not wish to talk on this topic anymore.
 
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s007bala

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as N... would write=whats the thread topic khe khe :)

monkey latching to its mom,is svadharma,a sense of secure feeling.that is why we love moms more becoz we all,remember our stay inside her womb,get fed and finally after 270-280 days umbilical cord is snipped and finally we feed on her milks produced from her body=bonding of nature.we are no different from apes or monkeys,in very many ways.like apes we dont have a tail but like monkeys we keep our mind jumping from one branch to another....now i am 'thaaving' to how to make money and loot for myself,so start axe-brand party in the guise of helping brahmins..khe khe:pound:

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palindrome

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why you want me to exclude that?

anyway my parents practiced theetu - whenever they did poojas and vratas.
they won't touch us (children) till the end of it.

my mum's parents and my dad's mother also did that (didn't touch until others until their prayers were complete)....my parents do not do that...and we are completely out of it.

am not talking abt wht you do inside home..am not talking abt what a priest living his life perfectly as a brahman priest does...am only talking abt the current industrialized society...like in your work place and the people you interact with..
 
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Seshadri Subramaniam

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to palindrome,

smritis are the texts laid down by people who wanted to incorporate the aim of the vedas into the life of the common man...

and hence they contain the rules and regulations which are to be followed, and it depends on a combination of variables - situation, relativity, societal-setup, etc...

it neither demeans a person nor makes another superior just by practising a way... it is a path - that is all...

there are various dharmashasthras that lay down about "theetu", for those who follow a particular mode of life, it is necessary to adhere to it... there may be people who do not follow it and have probably remained enlightened, but that is not the point here...

consider, for example, if a school lays down rules, about uniforms, do we challenge it? saying that it discriminates or that it is not really necessary in the broader scope of things? or that education is the important thing, not a dress? definitely, a student from another school does not wear the same uniform, but does he not become educated?

so you see what you speak is not logic, rather a distorted vision of trying to huddle together everything under the umberella of so-called equality... by saying that "theetu" or "untouchability" is not warranted for... it simply doesn't make sense...
 

Seshadri Subramaniam

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ss,this piece from pali...sorts of confusing for me.how is 'theetu' fundamentalistic?if you understood can you plz explain?mandaiyae vedichudum pola irukku!!!!



ss,tell me,when does ones society becomes new or old?isn't it old wine in new bottle(khe khe,i know you hate this example :))



i think m m has been unfairly understood here...all it is about hygeine..the methods deployed was prolly hurting communities...i still remember in our house in teynampet,in front of our house,the 'paal karans'used tie their cows,which used drop their dungs,pee,....etc emanating a wretched stench..i had the guts and go and tell the 'cheri' people,please give bath to cows and also dont allow children to shit in the rods,its un-hygeinex...promptly i was told=get real.

we are so poor,we dont even have a house,food,clothes,latrines...and you expect us to be hygeinic....'vayatha komattindu' warum to even walk on the road for us..but nobody listened,and told me 'muka' has told to have chris like this in every locality so that poor people will get jobs as maidservants=i could not beat the logic of muka.

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sb, i think the social aspects of untouchability - restricting usage of wells, the two-tumbler system etc are the ones which palindrome seems to be talking about... she (oops, i think it is a she?) thinks that theetu is a concept which implicitly suggests a hierarchy based on birth... not bothering to know what are the circumstances under which these are being followed...

one can say that god too is a male chauvinist, since he chose labour and child birth to women only, why not make men too capable of this? her logic is also somewhat similar to this...

fundamentalism is when every interpretation of literals in our vedas is held to be the sacred truth... but then, it depends on our understanding as to what the message really is... the vedas do not speak about dress codes too, then how did the specifics come to appear? can we roam about naked? one can reply to the affirmative to this, but how may really practice this?

as i have said in my previous post, there are interpretations to help us integrate the essence of the vedas through our social life...

parasarar, (quoted from the skd) says,

"after menstruation, it is said that, a woman is said to contain the doshas of a chandali on the first day, that of a brahmna hatthi on the second day and that of a rajaki on the third day... the woman must remain secluded and intercourse is prohibited. she becomes clean of doshams only on the fifth day, after bath... he says, that it is good for "prajasamrakshanam'..."

now, one may question what these doshams are and how do they fix upon the woman? on the other hand, did such seers write something on such flimsy grounds that it is subject to being questioned on the drop of a hat? would they have not envisaged this during the latter ages?

or is it something that our minds have not yet fathomed?

so, judging a person as a fundamentalist is simply a way of this society, but let them keep on judging... we have to plod our way...

regarding mm's stance - i think there may be a determined individual/group of people here who take on mm simply for the sake of rebuking him and his ideas...

society is ever-changing, but only with regard to certain aspects... after having advanced to a level, one may find that certain practices as done in olden days, were actually the best practices... society takes the form of the more dominant personality that is evident - in collective individuals... it is materialistic and longing for pleasure now, and society has adapted to meet this demands - probably when it comes to be predominantly dharma based or spiritual based, we may see new light in our scriptures...

old wine? wine itself is a fermented product... the question then, merely, is one of palatability... :)
 
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s007bala

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sb, i think the social aspects of untouchability - restricting usage of wells, the two-tumbler system etc are the ones which palindrome seems to be talking about... she (oops, i think it is a she?) thinks that theetu is a concept which implicitly suggests a hierarchy based on birth... not bothering to know what are the circumstances under which these are being followed...

one can say that god too is a male chauvinist, since he chose labour and child birth to women only, why not make men too capable of this? her logic is also somewhat similar to this...

fundamentalism is when every interpretation of literals in our vedas is held to be the sacred truth... but then, it depends on our understanding as to what the message really is... the vedas do not speak about dress codes too, then how did the specifics come to appear? can we roam about naked? one can reply to the affirmative to this, but how may really practice this?

as i have said in my previous post, there are interpretations to help us integrate the essence of the vedas through our social life...

parasarar, (quoted from the skd) says,

"after menstruation, it is said that, a woman is said to contain the doshas of a chandali on the first day, that of a brahmna hatthi on the second day and that of a rajaki on the third day... the woman must remain secluded and intercourse is prohibited. she becomes clean of doshams only on the fifth day, after bath... he says, that it is good for "prajasamrakshanam'..."

now, one may question what these doshams are and how do they fix upon the woman? on the other hand, did such seers write something on such flimsy grounds that it is subject to being questioned on the drop of a hat? would they have not envisaged this during the latter ages?

or is it something that our minds have not yet fathomed?

so, judging a person as a fundamentalist is simply a way of this society, but let them keep on judging... we have to plod our way...

regarding mm's stance - i think there may be a determined individual/group of people here who take on mm simply for the sake of rebuking him and his ideas...

society is ever-changing, but only with regard to certain aspects... after having advanced to a level, one may find that certain practices as done in olden days, were actually the best practices... society takes the form of the more dominant personality that is evident - in collective individuals... it is materialistic and longing for pleasure now, and society has adapted to meet this demands - probably when it comes to be predominantly dharma based or spiritual based, we may see new light in our scriptures...

old wine? wine itself is a fermented product... the question then, merely, is one of palatability... :)

nawab of pataudi shot,thru the covers for a six :),thnx yaar!

sb
 
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