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Life in Vaikundam / Kailash

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Can some body tell me about life in Vaikundam?

I know that we cannot eat, sleep, breath, walk etc...... in vaikundam.

what happens to souls after reaching vaikundam / Kailash?

What happens to us after having the Darshan of the Lord?

Do our soul mingle with Lord? or do we wander and live in vaikundam?

Who else live in Vaikundam apart from God, Goddess, Nithyasuris?

I am very Curious to Know?

Can any learned person elaborate on this?
 
green,

is this all not a matter of faith?

just like the garden of eden for the christians, and the 75 virgins for muslims?

not sure, if there was anyone who actually visited vaikuntam or kailasam and came back to tell the story.

right?
 
Vaikundam/Kailasam

green,

is this all not a matter of faith?

just like the garden of eden for the christians, and the 75 virgins for muslims?

not sure, if there was anyone who actually visited vaikuntam or kailasam and came back to tell the story.

right?

Hi everybody . This is an interesting topic for discussion N I am sure that many among us will come forward to share their personal experience........
 
Hi everybody . This is an interesting topic for discussion N I am sure that many among us will come forward to share their personal experience........

You mean - share their personal experience of how vaikuntam/kailasam is like???!!!:dizzy:
 
Can some body tell me about life in Vaikundam?

I know that we cannot eat, sleep, breath, walk etc...... in vaikundam.

what happens to souls after reaching vaikundam / Kailash?

What happens to us after having the Darshan of the Lord?

Do our soul mingle with Lord? or do we wander and live in vaikundam?

Who else live in Vaikundam apart from God, Goddess, Nithyasuris?

I am very Curious to Know?

Can any learned person elaborate on this?

Sri Greentrees,

I am not a learned person. I feel like being naughty tonight. No hard feelings

Please. Hope you would enjoy the lighter side of my answer.

Life in Srivaikundam is very nice. There is a nice river in the south. The place is not very crowded. All sorts of Tamil Nadu food are available there. We can eat, sleep, walk… anything we like. The souls after reaching Srivaikundam will be tired after the journey. What happens after the darshan is the choice of the soul. Different souls may have different plans. It is hard to predict all of it. The souls certainly wander and live in Srivaikundam, if they choose to do so. About 18,000 souls live in Srivaikundam.

It is very hard to get accommodation in Kailasapuram. I have been there. It is a posh place. But I have not lived there.
 
Sri Durgadasan,

You got it right about Srivaikundam. The river I mentioned is Thamiravaruni. I meant the darshan in one of the 'Nava thirupathy' temples. 18,000 is the estimated population.
Kailasapuram is the BHEL colony. The accomadations are allocated to senior engineers and executives. The place is posh.
Like I admitted, I was feeling a bit naughty.
 
Seriously, souls does not have emotions, feelings (according to Bhagvat Geeta). It does not feel pain and sorrow, happiness, sadness.. no feelings. I really think god does not think like human, so may be there is a different setup for the emotionless souls. I think we should be ready packed for the next birth esp whoever goes to vaigundam from the present birth :angel: . Sorry, your superb question evoked such a stupid side of me..ha ha ....
 
Mr Raghy

You are right,
I am just back from Vaikundam about which Greentrees asked. The life there is really paradisical.

I am not able to explain in normal worlds.One has to really experience oneself. But alas! The city is now closed for another 10 years for major renovation. Those who have confirmed tickets and visas will be given their priorties after 10 yrs in their order.

But some creative minds are thinking of constructiing a replica in some other place soon. Tenders will be floated soon. Please await that.

Till that time please read all the experience myself and Raghy had written.

Best of Luck next time.
 
Just in case you are in the mood to know about the Sri vaikuntam that is supposed to be three times the size of the material universe, पादोस्य विश्वा भूतानि त्रिपादस्यामृतं दिवि ॥ According to Sri Vaishnava faith, Iswara is Sriman Narayana and he has two eternal forms, dhivya Athma swaroopam and dhivya mangala vighraham. Both are supposed to be real and eternal and yet it is the Dhivya Managala Vighraham, also known as Subhasriyam, that is given lot more importance for it is this physical form that one is able to readily behold and serve. Among other things, it is the denial of this physical form by Sankaracharya that earned him the criticism of Prachanna Bouddha by Sri Vaishnavas.

Among the many works of Bhagavath Ramanuja is a collection of three poems in verse form collectively called Gadya Thraiyam. The three Gadyas are (i) Saranagathi Gadyam aka periya Gadyam, (ii) Sri Ranga Gadyam (aka sinna gadyam – many here I am sure have heard the beautiful rendition of this Gadyam by late MS), and (iii) Sri Vaikaunta Gadyam. In Sri Vaikunta Gadyam Bhagavat Ramanuja describes in vivid detail what it is like in Sri Vaikuntam, so much so, Dr. Radhakrishnan commented in his book on Indian Philosophy that the description reads like an eye witness account.

According to Visishtadvaitam, there are three eternals, namely, Chetana, Achetana, Iswara. Chetana is consciousness that is self aware, is atomic in size and possess a substance called Dharmabhootha Jnanam through which Chetana perceives the external world. Achetana is substance bereft of consciousness and Dharmabhootha Jnanam. Iswara is a Chetana, but Vibhu (all pervading), and is the cause of the manifestation of the universe.
There are three kinds of Achetana, namely,(i) matter of the material universe pervaded by the three gunas, (ii) suddha satvam, the self luminous matter present only in Sri Vaikuntam and (iii) time.

There are three kinds of Chetanas, namely, Nithya Soorees, Mukthas, and Baddas. Badda Jeevas are chetanas in samsara with accumulated karma over countless births. The only way they can achieve moksha (release) is by expending all the karma and that can be achieved only through Bhakthi Yoga which is the culmination of Karma/Jnana yoga. Those who have the knowledge, ability, caste based privilege for Vedic rites, and patience can follow Bhathi Yoga. Even if one of these requirements is unmet, then the Badda jIva can resort to Saranagathi in the prescribed fashion by which the Jiva beseeches Iswara to stand in place of Bhakthi Yoga and clear out all the karma thus leading to moksha. Such Jivas are called called prapannas who become Mukthas after reaching Sri Vaikunta. The third kind of Chetana is Nithyasoorees. They are jivas, but have never been in Samsara. Visvaksena and Garuda are examples of Nithyasoorees.

Iswara is Sriman Narayana. Some say Sri (Lakshmi) is also Iswara along with her husband and others say she is a Nithyasoory, but first among them.

When a prapanna dies he is escorted by Vishnu ganas through various parts of the material universe and finally reaches Viraja river. Here, the jiva takes a ritual bath and the sukshma sarira of the jIva is relinquished. On the other side of the river is Sri Vaikunta. There, the jIva takes on a body of any form to his liking, made of Sudda Satva.

Then he goes to the mani maNdapam and sits on the bed of Sriman Narayana and Lakshmi and proclaims aham Brhmmasmi, i.e. the soul of my soul is Brhmman and my soul is Brhmman’s body. Then, he joins the congregation of Mukthas and Nithyasoorees and serves Sriman Narayana at the command of Sri conveyed through Visvaksenar.

The muktha like nithyasoory gets the ability to take any kind of body in order to serve Iswara in any manner whatsoever. Serving Sriman Narayana bestows the jIva with incomparable and uninterrupted bliss that is equal to that enjoyed by Sriman narayana himself.

The masculine pronoun “he” used above in reference to jeeva is misleading as jeevas are free of gender and gender is only to the body according to Visishtadvatam. In Sri Vaikuntam Mukthas and Nithyasoorees are free to take any body, male or female, in the service of Iswara.

The above is mainly based on what I have gathered from several sources, mainly from the Tamil commentary to Swami Sri Desikan’s magnum opus Srimath Rahasya Thraiya Saram called Rahasya Thraiya Sara Vivaranam written by the present Srimath Azagiya Singar of Sri Ahobila Matam. Any errors in my account are mine alone, not that of Srimath Azagiya Singar or Swami Sri Desikan.

Let me further add, I have no personal belief in any of this.
 
According to Visishtadvaitam, there are three eternals, namely, Chetana, Achetana, Iswara. Chetana is consciousness that is self aware, is atomic in size and possess a substance called Dharmabhootha Jnanam through which Chetana perceives the external world. Achetana is substance bereft of consciousness and Dharmabhootha Jnanam. Iswara is a Chetana, but Vibhu (all pervading), and is the cause of the manifestation of the universe.
There are three kinds of Achetana, namely,(i) matter of the material universe pervaded by the three gunas, (ii) suddha satvam, the self luminous matter present only in Sri Vaikuntam and (iii) time.

Dear Sri Nara Ji,

In Srivaishnavism, is there a "reason" that results in the "cause" of the manifestation of the universe? What role does 'time' play in it? (methinks, after 'god', 'time' is the only beginingless entity, everything else has a begining). Please could you share something on Dharmabhootha Jnanam (what exactly is it or is possibly comparable to as an example) ?

Thanks very much.
 
i just want to post a question.
the topic of the trasmigration of the soul has always been my main interest because thats a topic none of us have first hand experience.
many think we are in our soul form after death but we actually still have our Subtle and Causal body and our mind/senses are still active. its only our physical body which is absent.
in the case of hindus we believe either a Vishnu Doota or Yama Doota will escort us after death and be placed in our desrved realm after the customary journey to Yamapuri and after being given the verdict by Dharmaraja.
it is believed that in Vaikuntha everyone is clad in Yellow(Peetambar).
this is how the Hindu mind is conditioned and thats what we might see.
the eyes see what is decided/conditioned by the mind.
so what about non hindus who have a different mental perception of their various heavens.just say if a non Hindu is also entitled to Vaikuntha would Vaikuntha appear to him/her as it would appear to a Hindus mind?
just say if Vaikuntha is fixed that is it appears as how its described to us Hindus then wouldnt a non Hindu feel "cheated" that he or she is in a "foreign" region.
i really wonder.
 
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Hello HH, Greetings!

In Srivaishnavism, is there a "reason" that results in the "cause" of the manifestation of the universe?

The only reason given for the cycle of shrushti and pralayam is "leela".


What role does 'time' play in it? (methinks, after 'god', 'time' is the only beginingless entity, everything else has a begining).

According to Visihtadvaitam there are three entities that are eternal, not created and beginningless. They are (i) Chetana i.e. jeevathamas, (ii) achetana, and (iii) Iswara. Creation refers only to giving form and body. Creation does not entail creation of jeevathmas or achethana -- the basic material pervaded by three gunas that is the building block of all sareera.

Visishtadvaitam explains time as Vibhu or omnipresent. This means it is present both in "leela vibhoothi" (material universe) and "nithya vibhoothi" Sri Vaikuntam. In leela vibhoothi time causes change to the achetanas pervaded by three gunas. However, time in nithya vibhooti, even though it is present, has no such power. For example, flower will never go wilted in Sri Vaikuntam. The body of the residents of Sri Vaikuntam will never age.

Please could you share something on Dharmabhootha Jnanam (what exactly is it or is possibly comparable to as an example) ?

The concept of Dharmabhootha Jnanam is unique to Visihtadvaitam. It is not accepted by any other school. In its essence it is achethana. It is a substance that is part and parcel of Jeevathama. It is this jnanna through which the jeevathma perceives the external world. The Dharmabhootha jnanam is covered up by karma and limits its reach. Once free of karma, i.e. in moksha, the dharmabhootha jnana of Jeevathma comes to full bloom and the Jeevathma becomes omniscient just like Iswara.

What I have expressed here are not my views, they are strictly the views of the proponents of Visihtadvaita. My views are well known in this forum.
 
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Sow.Renukakarthikeyan,
"in the case of hindus we believe either a Vishnu Doota or Yama Doota will escort us after death and be placed in our desrved realm after the customary journey to Yamapuri and after being given the verdict by Dharmaraja.
it is believed that in Vaikuntha everyone is clad in Yellow(Peetambar).
this is how the Hindu mind is conditioned and thats what we might see.
the eyes see what is decided/conditioned by the mind."

I am not nit-picking from your message. I just high-lighted the jist of the message.
Personally, I grew up as a Hindu. I don't see the transformation of soul as explained in the quotation. I know many hindus who do not think in those lines either. Most people think of a 'yama dhootan' wandering hither and tither, trying to find the address of the deceased. I have not come across too many persons imagining a 'Vishnu Doothan' to show up (that included my grandma, who was ridiculously orthodox).
I know all the 'abrahamic religions' believe in the last day & day of judgement when everyone will be resurrected. According to their belief, all the polytheists (hindus), atheists (budhhists), religion-less people (millions like myself) will be sent to hell straight-away. The remaining rest of the lot will be judged (depending upon who turns out to be the real god and depending upon the god's mood and irritablity levels) some will head to heaven (again the heaven could be anywhere resembling a peaceful garden to choatic brothel, depending upon the real god) or to hell.
 
so what about non hindus who have a different mental perception of their various heavens.just say if a non Hindu is also entitled to Vaikuntha would Vaikuntha appear to him/her as it would appear to a Hindus mind?

The concept of Sri Vaikuntam, according to Sri Vaishnavam, has nothing to do with hindu or non-hindu.

Swami nammazhvar says towards the end of more than 1000 verses of Thiruvaymozhi, வைகுந்தம் புகுவது மண்ணவர் விதியே. This is interpreted to mean, every jeevathma is entitled to and will one day enter Sri Vaikuntam. According to this doctrine, whatever may be the state of the present birth, due to positive action done on purpose or by accident, Iswara will give the opportunity to perform Saranagathi sometime in some unspecified time in the future and the Jeevathma will reach Sri Vaikuntam and attain perfect knowledge of reality. In that state there is no Hindu reality or non-hindu reality, there is only one reality which the jeevathma is now cognizant.

As always, my disclaimer applies with respect to my own POV.
 
Sri Naran,
"What I have expressed here are not my views, they are strictly the views of the proponents of Visihtadvaita. My views are well known in this forum."

I am new in this forum. Thanks very much for posting Vishtadaita views. Since I am new, I do not of your personal views. Can you kindly express your own views also, please. (If you think that I should take the time to read al or most of your posts to learn your views, I understand that. I will do that when I can have a bit of free time in my hands ). Thank you.
 
I think there can not be an accurate report unless that some body who has gone there seen everything around will tell us. But who is that and when .............
I have read that there is neither vaikuntam nor the other opposite thing but only both exist in mind . It is only in as how we tune our mind to.
More inputs please?
 
I do not of your personal views. Can you kindly express your own views also, please.


My own personal views are what one might call nasthika. I like to think of myself as just a human being unencumbered by any religion or doctrine or dogma.
 
My own personal views are what one might call nasthika. I like to think of myself as just a human being unencumbered by any religion or doctrine or dogma.

It is good to know that, Sri Naran. I too consider myself under that category. I came to the conclusion after discussing Bhagavat Gita at a lay person level. May I know why do you consider yourself as nashtika, please? (You don't follow 'meemasa' princilples, do you?)
 
I think this is what we call "Thinking out of the box"...

The query is a paradigm of the saying.

Sri Raghy ji,

I liked your elaborate narration on the query....it's really interesting and offcourse funny. I think yours alone can be the best reply for the query.

Sri Durgadasan ji,

Your indications of the places in this Bhoologam and Sri Raghy ji's further explanations in details are really marvelous.


I THINK IF A SOUL IS BLESSED TO GET INTO THE HEAVEN, IT WOULD ONLY MEAN THAT, THE SOUL WILL GET DISSOLVED WITH THE SUPREME POWER.

PUNYA AATHMA KADUVL KUDAVE AYIKIYAM AYIDUM”


Hats off to Mr.Greentrees.

Cheers.

RAVI

 
What I have expressed here are not my views, they are strictly the views of the proponents of Visihtadvaita. My views are well known in this forum.

I respect your stand and conviction, Sri Nara.

A serving spoon does not taste the food it serves. But it gives pleasure of taste to the person who eats the food. Your serving explanatory knowledge to others ,relevant to the topic eventhough you may not subscribe to the views is really welcome.

greetings
 
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