(continued from the thread:
http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/philosophy-traditions/4374-kanchi-paramacharya-satsangham-4.html)
I came to show that the words pitA, guru are used to refer to the same AsAmi--(Tam)man. To call pitA guru is loka-vyavahAram--worldly practice. In contrast, I showed from the upaniShads how shiShyas--the great men who themselves individually held the guru-sthAnam--position of guru-- held their guru as their real father.
Elders like Kambar are those who observed the vaidika aupaniShada sampradAyam--tradition of the Vedas and UpaniShads, and taught the abhiprAya--opinions of the Vedas and UpaniShads in their Tamizh books.
• The opinion that we were look at--that the father who gave birth is only for namesake, the real father is one who brings up the boy in good shape--Kambar has mentioned it in relation to shrI RAmachandra-mUrti.
• Sage VishvAmitra took RAma who was yuva--young, to king Janaka's rAja sadas--royal court, in order to tie the string of the dhanuSh--bow, introduces RAma to Janaka. At that time he starts from the greatness of the sUrya-vaMsha--SUrya clan (in which RAma was born).
• Starting from SUrya who started the clan, he proceeds to speak of the greatness of all the successors--Manu, BRutu, IkShavAku, Kakutstha, MAndhAta, Shibi, BhagIratha, Raghu--ends with the greatness of Dasharatha and then says that RAma is the son born out of the purtra-kAmeShTi yAgam performed by Dasharatha.
• It is here that he comes to the point we were discussing: "The four brothers starting with RAma are the sons of Dasharatha for only namesake"--'புதல்வர் என்னும் பெயரே காண்!
•--pudalvar ennum peyarE kAN!', but then one who brought them up and shaped them is only sage VasiShTha--'உபநயன விதி முடித்து மறை ஓதுவித்து வளர்த்தோன் வசிட்டன் காண்!--upa~nayana vidhi muDithtu maRai Oduvithtu vaLarthtOn vasiTTan kAN!'--Thus has Kambar sung about the speech of sage VishvAmitra.
Note:
The quote in question from Kambar is:
744. புதல்வரின் வேத முதலிய கலைப்பயிற்சி
’திறையோடும் அரசு இறைஞ்சும்
செறி கழல் கால் தசரதனாம்
பொறையோடும் தொடர் மனத்தான்
புதல்வர் எனும் பெயரே காண்?
உறை ஓடும் நெடு வேலாய்!
உபநயன விதி முடித்து,
மறை ஓதுவித்து, இவரை
வளர்த்தானும் வசிட்டன் காண்.’ 1.11.24
---கம்பராமாயணம், பாலகாண்டம், குலமுறை கிளத்து படலம்.
<lang=eng>744.<-lang> pudalvarin vEda mudaliya kalaippayiRci
'tiRaiyODum arasu iRai~jchum
cheRi kazhal kAl dasarathanAm
poRaiyODum toDar manathtAn
pudalvar enum peyarE kAN?
uRai ODum ~neDu vElAy!
upa~nayana vidhi muDithtu,
maRai Oduvittu, ivarai
vaLarttAnum vasiTTan kAN.' <lang=eng>1.11.24<-lang>
---kambarAmAyaNam, bAlakANDam, kulamuRai kiLathtu paThalam.
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http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/philosophy-traditions/4374-kanchi-paramacharya-satsangham-4.html)
I came to show that the words pitA, guru are used to refer to the same AsAmi--(Tam)man. To call pitA guru is loka-vyavahAram--worldly practice. In contrast, I showed from the upaniShads how shiShyas--the great men who themselves individually held the guru-sthAnam--position of guru-- held their guru as their real father.
Elders like Kambar are those who observed the vaidika aupaniShada sampradAyam--tradition of the Vedas and UpaniShads, and taught the abhiprAya--opinions of the Vedas and UpaniShads in their Tamizh books.
• The opinion that we were look at--that the father who gave birth is only for namesake, the real father is one who brings up the boy in good shape--Kambar has mentioned it in relation to shrI RAmachandra-mUrti.
• Sage VishvAmitra took RAma who was yuva--young, to king Janaka's rAja sadas--royal court, in order to tie the string of the dhanuSh--bow, introduces RAma to Janaka. At that time he starts from the greatness of the sUrya-vaMsha--SUrya clan (in which RAma was born).
• Starting from SUrya who started the clan, he proceeds to speak of the greatness of all the successors--Manu, BRutu, IkShavAku, Kakutstha, MAndhAta, Shibi, BhagIratha, Raghu--ends with the greatness of Dasharatha and then says that RAma is the son born out of the purtra-kAmeShTi yAgam performed by Dasharatha.
• It is here that he comes to the point we were discussing: "The four brothers starting with RAma are the sons of Dasharatha for only namesake"--'புதல்வர் என்னும் பெயரே காண்!
•--pudalvar ennum peyarE kAN!', but then one who brought them up and shaped them is only sage VasiShTha--'உபநயன விதி முடித்து மறை ஓதுவித்து வளர்த்தோன் வசிட்டன் காண்!--upa~nayana vidhi muDithtu maRai Oduvithtu vaLarthtOn vasiTTan kAN!'--Thus has Kambar sung about the speech of sage VishvAmitra.
Note:
The quote in question from Kambar is:
744. புதல்வரின் வேத முதலிய கலைப்பயிற்சி
’திறையோடும் அரசு இறைஞ்சும்
செறி கழல் கால் தசரதனாம்
பொறையோடும் தொடர் மனத்தான்
புதல்வர் எனும் பெயரே காண்?
உறை ஓடும் நெடு வேலாய்!
உபநயன விதி முடித்து,
மறை ஓதுவித்து, இவரை
வளர்த்தானும் வசிட்டன் காண்.’ 1.11.24
---கம்பராமாயணம், பாலகாண்டம், குலமுறை கிளத்து படலம்.
<lang=eng>744.<-lang> pudalvarin vEda mudaliya kalaippayiRci
'tiRaiyODum arasu iRai~jchum
cheRi kazhal kAl dasarathanAm
poRaiyODum toDar manathtAn
pudalvar enum peyarE kAN?
uRai ODum ~neDu vElAy!
upa~nayana vidhi muDithtu,
maRai Oduvittu, ivarai
vaLarttAnum vasiTTan kAN.' <lang=eng>1.11.24<-lang>
---kambarAmAyaNam, bAlakANDam, kulamuRai kiLathtu paThalam.
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