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In India you can make insensitive skin color comments.

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Union Minister and BJP MP from Nawada in Bihar, Giriraj Singh, on Wednesday made a controversial comment on Congress president Sonia Gandhi's "skin colour."
Making the controversial comment in Hajipur, near Patna, Mr. Singh asked, had Rajiv Gandhi married a 'Nigerian woman' and she was not of 'white skin', would the Congress party accepted her as a leader?


Giriraj Singh's 'white skin' comment on Sonia sparks controversy - The Hindu

I suppose many in this site would support Giriraj's racial comment (secretly) and not even accept that they are racist.
 
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In evaluating prospective bride or groom, the first thing a TB person asks is the skin color of the prospect.

Most Indians are obsessed and drool over white skin LoL

India has the most skin whitening products. Even a grandma wants to put Ponds powder to look more white LoL
 
I just remember 'the Black skin comment on south Indian women' by the veteran Parlimentarian Sharad Yadav. There was no Hue and cry for that comment,But now it is different.
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Union Minister Giriraj Singh, who triggered a major row on Wednesday with his racist comments on Sonia Gandhi, was forced to express his regrets after a call from BJP President Amit Shah who made it clear to him that "such language" was not acceptable.
Party sources said Shah called Singh over telephone and made it clear in no uncertain terms that it was unbecoming of a minister to use such a language.
BJP President Amit Shah disapproves of Giriraj Singh's remarks | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis
 
I do NOT support the current govt & have said this earlier as well. Having said this, what is wrong in the statement from Giriraj???

Infact all he is pointed out is if Rajiv had married a Nigerian, she would not have become the congress president which is actually true !!!. Congress in all likelihood would not have made her a president given the white skin fixation!!! So just coz the silly coterie in Congress is upset with the truth does not make it a racist comment !!

Now coming to the junk comment by Sharad Yadav on South Indian women, he is not only a “unpad gawar”, fool but also a buffoon, so his statement only deserves to be thrown into the dustbin & should not be given any prominence by discussing it - frankly who cares what that silly idiot thinks - LOL !!
 
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Right from puranic / epic days to the latest mega serials, colour, especially in the case of women, plays its cruel part.

How many men-folk will sing 'KARRUPUTHAN ENAKKU PUDICHA COLORU' and accept a bride who is black?

People are ready to preach and not practise.
 
I fully agree that the comments of the Minister in public press conference is of bad taste, crude and objectionable. But let us not be hypocrates and take moral high ground of "holier than thou" attitude and accuse the Minister for exposing the mindset of majority in our Country . Colour prejudice is inborn in us, Just go through the Matrimonial Ads in News Papers we will find the colour preference for "good looking and fair" brides and bride grooms.
This is not some thing special to our Country alone. Racial and Colour prejudice is prevalent in all countries.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
In evaluating prospective bride or groom, the first thing a TB person asks is the skin color of the prospect.

Most Indians are obsessed and drool over white skin LoL

India has the most skin whitening products. Even a grandma wants to put Ponds powder to look more white LoL


hi

its true.....KOLANDAI KARUPPA/VELLAYA?............SIGAPPA IRUKKARA ENNODA PONNE ....KAAKA MAITHIRI IRUKKARA UNGALLUKKU


KATTI KUDUTHAARU....these are very common in tambram houses....
 
Union Minister and BJP MP from Nawada in Bihar, Giriraj Singh, on Wednesday made a controversial comment on Congress president Sonia Gandhi's "skin colour."
Making the controversial comment in Hajipur, near Patna, Mr. Singh asked, had Rajiv Gandhi married a 'Nigerian woman' and she was not of 'white skin', would the Congress party accepted her as a leader?


Giriraj Singh's 'white skin' comment on Sonia sparks controversy - The Hindu

I suppose many in this site would support Giriraj's racial comment (secretly) and not even accept that they are reacist.

If this is your supposition, you have not been observing enough.

There have been **N** number of threads on inter-religious marriages and many of our forum members have a son or a daughter-in-law of other faith in their family or extended family. Have you come across any instance of a coloured son or daughter-in-law being discussed?

As you have spent quite sometime of your life living in North India, you surely would have seen quite a few Hindi films and there are umpteen songs and dialogues addressing the heroine as 'O goree". Is there any song or dialogue addressed tp O, kAlee?

Congress has the culture of imported party presidents. Remember Dr. Annie Beasant, way back in 1920s or so?

Mere writing about racial issues does not make one a non-racist.
 
Well, well, well... what is the difference between
Making the controversial comment in Hajipur, near Patna, Mr. Singh asked, had Rajiv Gandhi married a 'Nigerian woman' and she was not of 'white skin', would the Congress party accepted her as a leader?
and

I suppose many in this site would support Giriraj's racial comment (secretly) and not even accept that they are racist.

Both are speculations. And both have generalizations about a section of the society. If one is to be condemned, what about the other?

Btw, the fact that Indians ARE obsessed with skin colour is apparent; the fascination of the "firangee" colour is what propels many "fairness" creams.

On second thoughts, I think that Giriraj's statement may have some truth in it... after all.. :) Not much can be said about the speculation in the OP though...
 
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OP as usual is going places with least logic and no integrity.

1. On one hand we want freedom of speech to be a fundamental right, and on the other say - I define it. The minister, after the press conference concluded, was having a chat with residual journalists over a cup of tea. He warned them that it was off the record and instructed them to switch off the camera and recording. Some honest journalists say it was unethical to record what the minister said, but it is a wasted effort as we know most of the MSM journalists are unethical. They recorded off the cuff statements and use it for fun, frolic and abuse.

2. Patrick French, author of the book 'In india: A Portrait' wrote "Had she (sonia) been of blond northern European or *black African origin*, she would never have been credible as a leader". He had appeared in ndtv and no one has questioned him.

3. "Her slim figure, her flawless European skin tone..." This is about priyanka gandhi during elections. This is not by any politician, sanghi or otherwise. Someone thought amethi voters will love this and vote for congress.

4. Shashi tharoor on Indira gandhi: "Had indira's parsi husband been a toddywalla (liquor trader) rather than so conveniently a gandhi, I sometimes wonder, might india's political history have been different?"

5. Sagarika ghos of NSM, "why do hindi films choose heroines who are so firangi and can't speak hindi? The fair skin syndrome?"

6. Congress slogan against maneka gandhi: "Beti hai sardar ki, desh ke gaddar ki"

7. What congress leader including sonia shouted as abuse of Sri Narendra Modi will form a big list running to several pages.
http://deshgujarat.com/2013/04/06/a-list-of-how-congress-leaders-define-narendra-modi/

What goa minister said to the striking girl students, not to sit in the open as the hot sun will darken their skin. How can anyone dispute that. Daily all fairness cream ads say the same thing. In addition they claim that their cream is the passport for getting a good job or husband.

The congress party must retort that they have elected their president because of her merit and credentials, and not because she is from the gandhi family or white. As always they and the media will lose this round too.
 
Giriraj statement may not be appropriate for a Union Minister...But color /appearance has always been important..In Tamil Nadu after the advent of Dravidian parties preference for fairer skin has gone up contrary to ones expectations....No more Kamaraj's ..What is required is toned, wrinkle free and fit posture!
 
Btw, the fact that Indians ARE obsessed with skin colour is apparent; the fascination of the "firangee" colour is what propels many "fairness" creams.

I have a bit of question here. Does this obsession lead us to discriminate to the extent we are called racists?

There is a bit of labeling of Indians going on here as "racists", "casteists" "rapists" etc etc
 
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Among the questions about how to define racism are the question of whether to include forms of discrimination that are unintentional, such as making assumptions about preferences or abilities of others based on racial stereotypes, whether to include symbolic or institutionalized forms of discrimination such as the circulation of ethnic stereotypes through the media, and whether to include the socio-political dynamics of social stratification that sometimes have a racial component.
Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I have a bit of question here. Does this obsession lead us to discriminate to the extent we are called racists?

There is a bit of labeling of Indians going on here as "racists", "casteists" "rapists" etc etc

Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com

racism
[rey-siz-uh m]
noun
1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I have seen, among most TBs and most NBs as well, that fair skin is preferred, esp for girls. There is a "syndrome" due to which fairness of the skin is associated to fairness of the mind. And cleanliness as well. Light force vs dark force. "Gnyana oli" & not "Gnyana irul". The fair Devas vs the dark Asuras (even in comics). To that extent that a dark Rama or a dark Krishna is coloured blue in pictures whereas dark asuras are just dark. Black, rather.

So, I tend to think that there is a sub-conscious hammering, into the psyche, of the significance of the colour through variables around us. This is one aspect.

The varna & jati, combined together, has, through the crop of religion, fed us with a belief that there are some inherent characteristics that are specific to either a varna or a jati. Regarding the belief of gene conditioning and inheritence of such character, we can infer, with the knowledge available now, that such a speculation has no proof. However, the masses do not understand this. For the majority of the North Indians, it might be, even now, a surprise to note that there are dark skinned brahmins down south. Exceptions due to pratiloma and anuloma are very rare. Even if it were to happen in the days of yore, that used to be mainly between the 3 castes and not the 4th. Hence the dark skin tag tends also to be associated with a inferior caste factor. For example, a dark skinned brahmin is a brahmin but not "THE BRAHMIN". Just like some consider vadama to be superior to brahacharnam. This is another aspect.

When the "really white" skinned conquerors forced the varna adherents to their knees, a new thought permeated - the white man (TWM) superiority. TWM was seen as an unshakeable master that he could not be taken by force and freedom was obtained through begging. While many of us may ignore or even resent it, there is a feeling of lord-servant relationship among many Indians even now. Here again, I am using the colour (TWM) consciously to indicate that the colour was a main factor that indicated superiority (by the british). Fair skin meant equal status with TWM,albeit with some tremor on the part of the Indian. This is the last aspect.

The Indian, through religion, caste and conquest, has inevitably linked the fairness of the skin to social status, character, and a perceived superiority. Hence it would not be wrong to conclude that the obsession, of Indians, with fair skin, actually does lead us to discriminate to an extent that be would covered under the ambit of racism.
 
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While wider social attitudes about skin colour in Indian society are lamentable and need fixing, they cannot be an excuse. The Modi government has already been distracted in the past by intemperate statements by extremist Hindutva MPs and unless these elements are firmly gagged or removed, they will continue to shift focus from the prime minister’s wider, progressive governance agenda and damage it.
Racist odour: Loose talking BJP leaders are harming PM?s agenda and must be reined in - TOI Blogs
 
Wanting white is more a preference than obsession. There are fair and dark men and women in every jati, and mixed varna (colour) marriages are there for everyone to see. Western influence has influenced rather poisoned our mind set to take extreme stands on such issues. Our gods and heroes are well spread out in the color spectrum.

I prefer to work in google or Microsoft, but accept and enjoy working in some other company. I am sure each one of us will find a fair(!) distribution of kali ghori in our family tree.
We also subscribe to 'karuppe azhagu, kantale ruchi'.
 
The media is intentionaly oblivious to thousand good events happening every day, and clings to irrelevant issues. Suddenly freedom of speech is denied to anyone related to bjp or Hindus. Any ordinary sneeze is portrayed as TB. Modi govt will ignore such stone throwing from road side. Modi has faced bigger attacks and every abuse has made him stronger.
 
Congress party leaders have not answered his off the record challenge - if the party would have accepted a non white, non European wife as their supreme leader?
Everybody knows the answer. Tavleen Singh tweeted soon after - the minister was politically incorrect, but totally right on evaluation.
It is established that media pushed by the western financiers will make issues out of nothing, make mountains of mole hills and work hard to bad mouth and derail the bjp modi govt. We all will be there to see who wins.
 
Colour mania is purely psychological. The problem cannot be solved. Utmost we can restrict badmouthing.
 
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For the majority of the North Indians, it might be, even now, a surprise to note that there are dark skinned brahmins down south.
There are dark skinned Brahmins all over North India :) . They will no longer be surprised at this fact :D As for skin colour biases, it is a complex pervading all of India. Even in the deep north India, I get compliments for my "golden" skin tone. Whereas, I do find dark skinned girls just as attractive as the light skinned ones.
 
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