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I am a Tamil Brahmin and I recently did my DNA test. I want to share some interesting ancestry information.

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
This is not My story, I am just sharing it here.

I was surprised to find my paternal line migrated from eastern europe as recently as 6000-4000 years ago (and with most probability into India because as far as my family can remember - great great great grandfather / 16th century - they are all from villages in South India). And also that I share a haplogroup common with Ashkenazi jews.


And on my mother's side using mito-chondrial DNA testing the suggested route taken by their lineage is through Iran. That is out of Africa -> Middle east -> Iran (3000 years ago split) -> India

So by what I have learned, I am more than convinced of recent migration (5000-3000 years ago) of groups of people from Iran and Eastern Europe. And since I am a brahmin as far as my very orthodox family can remember on both mom and dad's side, I am starting to believe in some form of an 'Aryan' immigration theory if not invasion.

Btw, we also know our roots are in Varanasi as the surname carried by me, dad, his dad's dad etc is Kashi Sharma. This is the name also used in Sanskrit shlokas during ceremonies at home when say my name is called out it is said this fellow - "my traditional first name sharma" of "my gotra here" from kashi sharma kula - even though we speak only Tamil at home.

It has to be noted that in my Tamil Brahmin family we have two names for everyone. One is a Sanskrit name and surname which is used in ceremonies by the priests (or gurukul as we call in Tamil) and another Tamil name with dad's name as surname. Am not sure if this is followed by all Tambram families as well?

Now this DNA based migration data makes me believe probably my dad's ancestors travelled down into India (via Punjab?) and settled in Kashi, UP for sometime establishing their clan or kula, and then may be during Asoka's time of Buddhism and de-recognition of Hinduism in the north, moved down south?

Btw, a relative on dad's side is Sir CV Raman :)
Reddit.com/India
 

komaragirihv

New member
This is not My story, I am just sharing it here.

I was surprised to find my paternal line migrated from eastern europe as recently as 6000-4000 years ago (and with most probability into India because as far as my family can remember - great great great grandfather / 16th century - they are all from villages in South India). And also that I share a haplogroup common with Ashkenazi jews.


And on my mother's side using mito-chondrial DNA testing the suggested route taken by their lineage is through Iran. That is out of Africa -> Middle east -> Iran (3000 years ago split) -> India

So by what I have learned, I am more than convinced of recent migration (5000-3000 years ago) of groups of people from Iran and Eastern Europe. And since I am a brahmin as far as my very orthodox family can remember on both mom and dad's side, I am starting to believe in some form of an 'Aryan' immigration theory if not invasion.

Btw, we also know our roots are in Varanasi as the surname carried by me, dad, his dad's dad etc is Kashi Sharma. This is the name also used in Sanskrit shlokas during ceremonies at home when say my name is called out it is said this fellow - "my traditional first name sharma" of "my gotra here" from kashi sharma kula - even though we speak only Tamil at home.

It has to be noted that in my Tamil Brahmin family we have two names for everyone. One is a Sanskrit name and surname which is used in ceremonies by the priests (or gurukul as we call in Tamil) and another Tamil name with dad's name as surname. Am not sure if this is followed by all Tambram families as well?

Now this DNA based migration data makes me believe probably my dad's ancestors travelled down into India (via Punjab?) and settled in Kashi, UP for sometime establishing their clan or kula, and then may be during Asoka's time of Buddhism and de-recognition of Hinduism in the north, moved down south?

Btw, a relative on dad's side is Sir CV Raman :)
Reddit.com/India
Can you please share which lab/agency this person who took the test approached? I would like to have one done as well.
 
This is not My story, I am just sharing it here.

I was surprised to find my paternal line migrated from eastern europe as recently as 6000-4000 years ago (and with most probability into India because as far as my family can remember - great great great grandfather / 16th century - they are all from villages in South India). And also that I share a haplogroup common with Ashkenazi jews.


And on my mother's side using mito-chondrial DNA testing the suggested route taken by their lineage is through Iran. That is out of Africa -> Middle east -> Iran (3000 years ago split) -> India

So by what I have learned, I am more than convinced of recent migration (5000-3000 years ago) of groups of people from Iran and Eastern Europe. And since I am a brahmin as far as my very orthodox family can remember on both mom and dad's side, I am starting to believe in some form of an 'Aryan' immigration theory if not invasion.

Btw, we also know our roots are in Varanasi as the surname carried by me, dad, his dad's dad etc is Kashi Sharma. This is the name also used in Sanskrit shlokas during ceremonies at home when say my name is called out it is said this fellow - "my traditional first name sharma" of "my gotra here" from kashi sharma kula - even though we speak only Tamil at home.

It has to be noted that in my Tamil Brahmin family we have two names for everyone. One is a Sanskrit name and surname which is used in ceremonies by the priests (or gurukul as we call in Tamil) and another Tamil name with dad's name as surname. Am not sure if this is followed by all Tambram families as well?

Now this DNA based migration data makes me believe probably my dad's ancestors travelled down into India (via Punjab?) and settled in Kashi, UP for sometime establishing their clan or kula, and then may be during Asoka's time of Buddhism and de-recognition of Hinduism in the north, moved down south?

Btw, a relative on dad's side is Sir CV Raman :)
Reddit.com/India
Can you let us know how others can get this DNA test done. Is the test costly.
Kindly let us have more details of how to get the similar test done.
Your reply will be very useful to or most of us.
 
Migration happened from India to Persia, Africa, Mexico and South America. Not other way around.
Some group of Brahmins and people of all professions migrated along with Mahabali who went to rule Pathala lok. Pathala lok is not under the earth rather other side of earth. Mexico/South America would come right under India. Hence its Pathala lok. This theory was explained by Maha periyavar. You could check videos about that in Youtube.

MahaVishnu's avatar ruled Atala, Vitala, Sutala, Talatala, Mahatala, Rasatala & Patala Loka.
Atala = Europe
Vitala = Asia
Talatala = Antartica
Rasatala = Africa
Mahatala = North America
Patala = Central & South America
Scores of people of all professions were with him.
So its very likely our DNA would be shared with people from those area.

DNA testing organisations dont consider such detailed history as given in our puranas. So they go with recent history. If you believe that then all Indians would be an immigrant from somewhere which is bit skewed up!!
 
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prasad1

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
Can you let us know how others can get this DNA test done. Is the test costly.
Kindly let us have more details of how to get the similar test done.
Your reply will be very useful to or most of us.



 
Migration happened from India to Persia, Africa, Mexico and South America. Not other way around.
Some group of Brahmins and people of all professions migrated along with Mahabali who went to rule Pathala lok. Pathala lok is not under the earth rather other side of earth. Mexico/South America would come right under India. Hence its Pathala lok. This theory was explained by Maha periyavar. You could check videos about that in Youtube.

MahaVishnu's avatar ruled Atala, Vitala, Sutala, Talatala, Mahatala, Rasatala & Patala Loka.
Atala = Europe
Vitala = Asia
Talatala = Antartica
Rasatala = Africa
Mahatala = North America
Patala = Central & South America
Scores of people of all professions were with him.
So its very likely our DNA would be shared with people from those area.

DNA testing organisations dont consider such detailed history as given in our puranas. So they go with recent history. If you believe that then all Indians would be an immigrant from somewhere which is bit skewed up!!
Sanatana dharma was universal and the evidens are surfacing from other parts of globe. But its influence was being wiped out systematically over the centuries. If one sees even the Philippines had the hindu past and russia had also the vedic past.
 
This is not My story, I am just sharing it here.

I was surprised to find my paternal line migrated from eastern europe as recently as 6000-4000 years ago (and with most probability into India because as far as my family can remember - great great great grandfather / 16th century - they are all from villages in South India). And also that I share a haplogroup common with Ashkenazi jews.


And on my mother's side using mito-chondrial DNA testing the suggested route taken by their lineage is through Iran. That is out of Africa -> Middle east -> Iran (3000 years ago split) -> India

So by what I have learned, I am more than convinced of recent migration (5000-3000 years ago) of groups of people from Iran and Eastern Europe. And since I am a brahmin as far as my very orthodox family can remember on both mom and dad's side, I am starting to believe in some form of an 'Aryan' immigration theory if not invasion.

Btw, we also know our roots are in Varanasi as the surname carried by me, dad, his dad's dad etc is Kashi Sharma. This is the name also used in Sanskrit shlokas during ceremonies at home when say my name is called out it is said this fellow - "my traditional first name sharma" of "my gotra here" from kashi sharma kula - even though we speak only Tamil at home.

It has to be noted that in my Tamil Brahmin family we have two names for everyone. One is a Sanskrit name and surname which is used in ceremonies by the priests (or gurukul as we call in Tamil) and another Tamil name with dad's name as surname. Am not sure if this is followed by all Tambram families as well?

Now this DNA based migration data makes me believe probably my dad's ancestors travelled down into India (via Punjab?) and settled in Kashi, UP for sometime establishing their clan or kula, and then may be during Asoka's time of Buddhism and de-recognition of Hinduism in the north, moved down south?

Btw, a relative on dad's side is Sir CV Raman :)
Reddit.com/India
It's not your personal story? If so, it's whose? Authenticity??
 

Mani_Chennai

Active member
Migration happened from India to Persia, Africa, Mexico and South America. Not other way around.
Some group of Brahmins and people of all professions migrated along with Mahabali who went to rule Pathala lok. Pathala lok is not under the earth rather other side of earth. Mexico/South America would come right under India. Hence its Pathala lok. This theory was explained by Maha periyavar. You could check videos about that in Youtube.

MahaVishnu's avatar ruled Atala, Vitala, Sutala, Talatala, Mahatala, Rasatala & Patala Loka.
Atala = Europe
Vitala = Asia
Talatala = Antartica
Rasatala = Africa
Mahatala = North America
Patala = Central & South America
Scores of people of all professions were with him.
So its very likely our DNA would be shared with people from those area.

DNA testing organisations dont consider such detailed history as given in our puranas. So they go with recent history. If you believe that then all Indians would be an immigrant from somewhere which is bit skewed up!!
 

Mani_Chennai

Active member
Brainwashing and dogmatic understanding are useless. Stephen Welsh at Stanford during his post doc research met a Spanish professor and he asked Stephen to go collect blood sample and find who we are. His book the Journey of Man provides the details. Before India separated from Continental split from Africa, India as of now did not exist. So, once the continental split took place, the only hot place was somewhere near Ethiopia and rest were ice covered area. Slowly people moved from there due to draft towards South Africa, and through the sea shored came to to day's Afghanistan Kabul, then to Indus valley, then to Australia and then to Russia and then finally settled in South America. Thus, we all have the same genetic material from those ancestors. So, let us not gloat that we were created uniquely. Also, while Tamil and northern Dravidian Languages like Kui(Baluchistan), Rajah Hills (Near Assam), cane from the southern Iranian branch and the Indo European_Indon family – Latin, Greek, Sanskrit etc., came from the northern Iranian branch. Only when the script arrived did we branch further. So, Puranas, Vedas did not exit when there was no India before the continental breakup. So, what we have to realize is that we evolved with distinct culture, language etc., and due to poor travel conditions, animals, diseases we become pockets and now those problem are solved. So, through the mother's mitochondrial studies we are all cousins but separated by about 7000 generations. Our fear of economic and political subjugation has created all the mess we are now facing.
 

Shresta

Member
It’s like this we are all human beings
So we have to have a link somewhere
Too much of knowledge can sometimes break chains of love and brotherhood
Just read devathu kural u will understand yourself better
We already know our gothrams so it’s not like we are lost like many whites who want to know their ancestry
Also before the continents broke away it must have been easy to migrate over land
Use ur money for saving what we are left with
Our vedas
With much Regards to all of u
🙏🏽🙏🏽
 
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