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Hindustan is country of Hindus but doesn't exclude others: RSS chief

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Nothing polemic in this, I hope so!!

[h=1]Hindustan is country of Hindus but doesn't exclude others: RSS chief[/h]October 28, 2017 09:35


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RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat today said 'Hindustan' is a country of Hindus, but it does not mean that it does not belong to "others".


Addressing a gathering of college-going RSS volunteers, Bhagwat also said the government alone cannot bring development, and that it needs changes in the society.


"Whose country is Germany?...It's a country of Germans, Britain is a country of Britishers, America is a country of Americans, and in the same way Hindustan is a country of Hindus. It does not mean that Hindustan is not the country of other people," Bhagwat said.


"The term Hindu covers all those who are the sons of Bharat Mata, descendants of Indian ancestors and who live in accordance with the Indian culture," the RSS chief said.


No one leader or party can make the country great but it needs a change and we will have to prepare the society for it, he said.

"In ancient times, people used to look to God for development, but in 'Kalyuga' people look to the government... But the fact is, the government can go only as far as the society goes," Bhagwat said.


"The society is the father of the government. The government can serve the society, but it cannot bring changes in the society. When the society brings changes in itself, this change reflects in the government and the system," the RSS chief said.


To make India powerful, prosperous and "vishwa guru", the countrymen will have to rid their hearts of the thought of "discrimination on any grounds", he added.

http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2...rs-rss-chief/776f40a439fa068dfadd96e55b4ecb32
 
Historically, it was also used as a geographic term for the northern/northwestern Indian subcontinent, and sometimes for the entire subcontinent.

In the early 11th century, with an eye to the wealth of the subcontinent, Mahmud of Ghazni made forays further and further eastwards, though only annexing the fertile Punjab region for his own.[SUP]][/SUP] With the re-ascendancy and subsequent conquests of the Ghurids under Mu'izz al-Din Muhammad, 'Hindustan' came to refer to all of North India.

"Hindustan" is often used to refer to the modern day Republic of India.Slogans involving the term are commonly heard at sports events and other public programmes involving teams or entities representing the modern nation state. In marketing, it is also commonly used as an indicator of national origin in advertising campaigns and is present in many company names. Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and his party the Muslim League, insisted on calling the modern day Republic of India as 'Hindustan' to signify its Hindu majority population.


Most formally, in the proper disciplines of Geography and History, Hindustan refers to the region of the upper and middle Ganges valley and the eastern banks of the river Indus. Hindustan by this definition is the region located between the distinct lands of Punjab in the northwest and Bengal in the north-east. So used, the term is not a synonym for the terms "South Asia", "India", or "Country of the Hindus" [sic], or of the modern-day Republic of India, variously interpreted.


In one usage among Hindustani speakers in India, the term 'Hindustani' refers to an Indian, irrespective of religious affiliation. Among non-Hindustani speakers e.g. Bengali-speakers, "Hindustani" is sometimes used to describe persons who are from the upper Ganges, also regardless of religious affiliation, but rather as a geographic term.
Hindustani is sometimes used as an ethnic term applied to South Asia (e.g., a Mauritian or Surinamese man with roots in South Asia might describe his ethnicity by saying he is Hindustani). For example, Hindoestanen is a Dutch word used to describe people of South Asian origin, in the Netherlands and Suriname.






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustan




Knowing the personality of the the person and his party affiliation, we can infer what he meant.

It is like a slave owner saying to his slave, that when he said Carolina will be a free country he meant all the people in Carolina, You know it was not genuine.
 
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Hindustan is the land of Hindus who identify their aspirations, dreams and life with that land and who have no higher loyalties other than the loyalty to that land. They are also known as hindustanis. Similarly Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazhakstan, kirzigistan, etc., also.

Those who live in these countries and have transborder and transnational loyalties are Hindustanis, Afghanistanis, Pakistanis, Kazhakstanis, and kirzigistanis only in name.

This is what the man under reference said.
 
Those who live in these countries and have transborder and transnational loyalties are Hindustanis, Afghanistanis, Pakistanis, Kazhakstanis, and kirzigistanis only in name.


A very convenient or a deliberate effort to mislead.
there is country called Afghanistan, Pakistan etc but there is no official country called Hindustan.



Every few months somehow people want to start this controversy. There are no Muslims or Pakistani in this site.

Who are you trying to brainwash. People in this site are smart and they hear the dog whistle loud and clear. They may not act but it is still too shrill.
 
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There are three aspects and stages we have to take into consideration here -

1) is the creation of the term 'Hindu'. This was by the persians who used it as a geographic term. It applied to people who lived in south asia(around & beyond the Indus/Sindhu river) & had a civilisational ethos different to the persians. 'Hindush' was a satrapy of the Achaemenid Empire, located in the northwest of South Asia. The time period that this satrapy existed in leads us to believe this was pre-Islamisation of Persia. The etymology of 'Hindush' is obvious. This was hence, a geographical definition.

2) would be the popularisation of the term. This was done by the Islamic groups that invaded India from centre/centre-west Asia. They used it to describe the 'pagans' in India ie. All Indian "Pagans" were referred to as Hindu. Here, it was used in a geographical & religious context, since all native unbelievers(Kafirs) were believed to be 'Hindu'.

Note, I am not using the word in a derogatory way though some aggressive, hate-mongering evangelicals in India do exactly this. I am using it in a factual, historical way. In fact as an atheist, I think Greek and Indian "paganism" was and continue to be smarter than full-fledged Abrahamic religion.

In fact most atheists I meet think this way. And in any case, ME Religion is dying rapidly in the western world and in our lifetime will become extinct in northern and western Europe. Some cultural ideas will remain, but religion will die there.
3) would be the officialisation of the term "Hindu". This happened through our constitution. Our constitution makes it clear in more than one place who the Hindus are. It uses *exactly* the invading Islamic central Asian hordes definition. This is made clear in the Hindu Marriage Act makes it clear that the term is used to describe all non abrahamics(+ the Parsee/Irani Zoroastrians) ie. All indians with non abrahamic life philosophies or 'religions'(Religion is used in the absence of a suitable replacement for the term 'Dharma' AND to create some sort of contrived sameness b/w the abrahamic & the dharmic ways of life by referring to them both, as religions) are due to cultural/social similiarities,

legally termed Hindus. It makes this explicitly clear by naming the Veerashaivas, Lingayats, Arya Samajis, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs etc.
So the kabeerpanthis, the sai baba worshippers, the tantricas, the sikhs, the IBs & the INBs, the jains, the vedic dharmees and the pauranikas are all considered 'Hindu' legally. But there is a distinction made on the basis of religion.

Hence, Buddhism is considered a different 'religion', but 'Hindu law'(For example in the Hindu marriage act) is applied to the Buddhists & of course the Jains & Sikhs, who are all in the case of civil law considered Hindu. Not 'religious Hindus', but 'socio-cultural or legal Hindus'! And Babasaheb Ambedkar, someone who had no love lost for the Hindu religion, was responsible for this framing of the constitution.


So, there was & is considered to be, a basic, bare minimum socio-cultural & legal continuity among the followers of the various Indian philosophical schools or
by foreigners & natives in the past & present.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhaNbyqt6zc







If you really want to call India a land for all call it India.
If you want to use "Dog whistle" and create a division at have the guts to say it. Instead of hiding behind a curtain and hurling firebombs.

this is the map of the Mugal empire called Hindustan.



map-1707.jpg


Majority Of TN was never a part of any "Hindustan"


Let us be honest, even if we have only an avatar in cyberspace.
 
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A very convenient or a deliberate effort to mislead.
there is country called Afghanistan, Pakistan etc but there is no official country called Hindustan.

Every few months somehow people want to start this controversy. There are no Muslims or Pakistani in this site.

Who are you trying to brainwash. People in this site are smart and they hear the dog whistle loud and clear. They may not act but it is still too shrill.

Why this shrill response? LOL.

There is a petroleum corporation which owns refineries in India and owned by Government and that is called by the name Hindustan Petroleum Corporation. The Hindustan in that name is the name of this country.

There is a Corporation called by the name Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd., and that too is a Government owned Corporation. The Hindustan there in that name too is the name of this country.

There is another Company by name Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd., It is also a corporation owned by the Government of this Country and the Bharat there is another name of this country.

There are atleast a few more Companies having the name Hindustan and Bharat in their names and the name do not represent any Timbuctoo. The name of this country is the name you find there.

Now please tell me why your whistle is so horribly shrill, indecent and repulsive?

Go and ask a Pakistani why his land is Pak i stan? you will hear a nasty story there.

Do you mean to say that there is no religion called Hinduism and there are no one following it who are called Hindus?

Or is it your claim that these Hindus can not have a stan of theirs?

Now it should be clear to you who is really brainwashing.

The people of this forum do not need your certificate that they are smart. What a misplaced condecension!!

It is you who every now and then copy pastes some selected
 
Contd........passages from your "selected" readings and trouble us no end here.

Next what? There is no Britain because there is United Kingdom. LOL.

It would be better if you stop playing such offending C&P comedy here. Thanks.
 
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Hindustan is the land of Hindus who identify their aspirations, dreams and life with that land and who have no higher loyalties other than the loyalty to that land. They are also known as hindustanis. Similarly Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazhakstan, kirzigistan, etc., also.

Those who live in these countries and have transborder and transnational loyalties are Hindustanis, Afghanistanis, Pakistanis, Kazhakstanis, and kirzigistanis only in name.

This is what the man under reference said.

As far as I know Hindustan never included the Southern states of India.

The word Hindustan is spelt HinduSTAN.

Here lies the difference.

The word STAN is Persian.
Its spelt in Hindi as स्तान.

Sanskrit word STHAN meaning location/place is spelt as स्थान्

So Hindustan is not even a Sanskrit word.

Rajasthan is Sanskrit cos its spelt राजस्थान्

That is why we would notice countrys with Islamic influence or majority spelt with STAN..Pakistan, Afghanistan etc.


Hindustan word is not even Bharatiya to start with.
Even Hind word is Arabic/Persian.

So only 50% of the word Jai Hind is actually " Indian".
 
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As far as I know Hindustan never included the Southern states of India.

The word Hindustan is spelt HinduSTAN.

Here lies the difference.

The word STAN is Persian.
Its spelt in Hindi as स्तान.

Sanskrit word STHAN meaning location/place is spelt as स्थान्

So Hindustan is not even a Sanskrit word.

Rajasthan is Sanskrit cos its spelt राजस्थान्

That is why we would notice countrys with Islamic influence or majority spelt with STAN..Pakistan, Afghanistan etc.


Hindustan word is not even Bharatiya to start with.
Even Hind word is Arabic/Persian.

So only 50% of the word Jai Hind is actually " Indian".

These are all known facts.

Poet Iqbal wrote saare jahaan se achcha, hindoostan hamara.
So in the nineteenth century Hindustan meant present land mass of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh put together. After partition the word represents India. Period.
 
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These are all known facts.

Poet Iqbal wrote saare jahaan se achcha, hindoostan hamara.
So in the nineteenth century Hindustan meant present land mass of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh put together. After partition the word represents India. Period.

. Known alternatively as 'Tarana-e-Hind' this song was originally a poem written by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu... from Lahore.The poem was published in the weekly journal Ittehad on 16 August 1904. However what is little known is that in 1910 he wrote another poem 'Tarana-e-Milli ' . This song undid all the secular credentials of the previous one. In the sixth stanza,the first song says :

" mażhab nahīñ sikhātā āpas meñ bair rakhnā
hindī haiñ ham, vat̤an hai hindostāñ hamārā "

or,

"Religion does not teach us to bear ill-will among ourselves
We are of Hind, our homeland is Hindustan"

On the contrary the first stanza of the second says :
" chīn-o-arab hamārā, hindostān hamārā
muslim hain ham, vatan hai sārā jahān hamārā "

or,

" Central Asia and Arabia are ours, Hindustan is ours
We are Muslims, the whole world is our homeland "

source: http://www.columbia.edu/itc/meal...
 
An ignorant who knows that he is ignorant can be educated.
An ignorant who pretends to know everything is beyond help.
 
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. Known alternatively as 'Tarana-e-Hind' this song was originally a poem written by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu... from Lahore.The poem was published in the weekly journal Ittehad on 16 August 1904. However what is little known is that in 1910 he wrote another poem 'Tarana-e-Milli ' . This song undid all the secular credentials of the previous one. In the sixth stanza,the first song says :

" mażhab nahīñ sikhātā āpas meñ bair rakhnā
hindī haiñ ham, vat̤an hai hindostāñ hamārā "

or,

"Religion does not teach us to bear ill-will among ourselves
We are of Hind, our homeland is Hindustan"

On the contrary the first stanza of the second says :
" chīn-o-arab hamārā, hindostān hamārā
muslim hain ham, vatan hai sārā jahān hamārā "

or,

" Central Asia and Arabia are ours, Hindustan is ours
We are Muslims, the whole world is our homeland "

source: http://www.columbia.edu/itc/meal...



you have given credit to some-other source, so it is not your own knowledge, :llama:
 
An ignorant who knows that he is ignorant can be educated.
An ignorant who pretends to know everything is beyond help.
And what do we do with the ignorant who does not even realise his ignorance? We silently suffer such ignorance when inflicted on us with all his CP comedy. LOL.
 
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Why do two grown men who are probably close to 70 call each other names in a public forum. Oh God , when will they 'grow up' ?
 
. Known alternatively as 'Tarana-e-Hind' this song was originally a poem written by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu... from Lahore.The poem was published in the weekly journal Ittehad on 16 August 1904. However what is little known is that in 1910 he wrote another poem 'Tarana-e-Milli ' . This song undid all the secular credentials of the previous one. In the sixth stanza,the first song says :

...
...
...

Yes. Allama Iqbal was # 1 turncoat and a Muslim Supremacist. All his secular masks came off when Rabindranath Tagore was awarded Nobel Prize and Allama went quite bitter thereafter. His views on women are also equally repugnant and in case you are interested, I can give you links for it.
 
Post 12, Post 15

Why do two grown men who are probably close to 70 call each other names in a public forum. Oh God , when will they 'grow up' ?


I am sorry I should have known better.
Iapologizes to other members.
 
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Post 12, Post 15

Why do two grown men who are probably close to 70 call each other names in a public forum. Oh God , when will they 'grow up' ?

Thats the best part of humans...at times the " child" in them will surface.

It denotes some amount of innocence.

Let is be...the acute need to " grow up" is just cultural dictates..the true human has the innocence of a child within.
 
Yes. Allama Iqbal was # 1 turncoat and a Muslim Supremacist. All his secular masks came off when Rabindranath Tagore was awarded Nobel Prize and Allama went quite bitter thereafter. His views on women are also equally repugnant and in case you are interested, I can give you links for it.

Views on women are always repugnant by the male tribe.

Nothing really new.

Even in forum we have questions if women can attend this pooja or that pooja but no one asks if males can do this pooja or that pooja as if a female alone is subhuman.

Then all talk about how a female should dress or behave by men.
Bodily functions of a woman which is crucial for reproduction are viewed as more contaminating than
radioactive substances etc.
Nothing really new to read I guess.

Iqbal isnt the only one guilty here.
Men still commit the same crime.
 
. Known alternatively as 'Tarana-e-Hind' this song was originally a poem written by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu... from Lahore.The poem was published in the weekly journal Ittehad on 16 August 1904. However what is little known is that in 1910 he wrote another poem 'Tarana-e-Milli ' . This song undid all the secular credentials of the previous one. In the sixth stanza,the first song says :

" mażhab nahīñ sikhātā āpas meñ bair rakhnā
hindī haiñ ham, vat̤an hai hindostāñ hamārā "

or,

"Religion does not teach us to bear ill-will among ourselves
We are of Hind, our homeland is Hindustan"

On the contrary the first stanza of the second says :
" chīn-o-arab hamārā, hindostān hamārā
muslim hain ham, vatan hai sārā jahān hamārā "

or,

" Central Asia and Arabia are ours, Hindustan is ours
We are Muslims, the whole world is our homeland "

source: http://www.columbia.edu/itc/meal...
Sir Allama Mohammad Iqbal's grand father Pandit Kanhaya Lal Sapru and his wife indirani Sapru were Kashmiri Brahmins. Poet Iqbal’s taking pride in his Kashmiri origin is generally explained as his being proud about his Brahmin ancestry. However his father Ratanlal Sapru, converted to Islam and was given the name Nur Mohammad. He married a Muslim woman Imam Bibi from Sialkot Punjab. The Saprus disowned Rattan Lal and severed all connections with him. Allama Iqbal was the son of Ratanlal Lal (Noor Mohammad) and Imam Bibi.
However at a later stage he became father of Muslim State.
"Iqbal was elected president of the Muslim League in 1930 at its session in Allahabad in the United Provinces, as well as for the session in Lahore in 1932. In his presidential address on 29 December 1930 he outlined a vision of an independent state for Muslim-majority provinces in northwestern India".

Of course Sir Allama Mohammed Iqbal was a great poet in Persian and Urdu, philosopher and thinker .

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
 
Sir Allama Mohammad Iqbal's grand father Pandit Kanhaya Lal Sapru and his wife indirani Sapru were Kashmiri Brahmins. Poet Iqbal’s taking pride in his Kashmiri origin is generally explained as his being proud about his Brahmin ancestry. However his father Ratanlal Sapru, converted to Islam and was given the name Nur Mohammad. He married a Muslim woman Imam Bibi from Sialkot Punjab. The Saprus disowned Rattan Lal and severed all connections with him. Allama Iqbal was the son of Ratanlal Lal (Noor Mohammad) and Imam Bibi.
However at a later stage he became father of Muslim State.
"Iqbal was elected president of the Muslim League in 1930 at its session in Allahabad in the United Provinces, as well as for the session in Lahore in 1932. In his presidential address on 29 December 1930 he outlined a vision of an independent state for Muslim-majority provinces in northwestern India".

Of course Sir Allama Mohammed Iqbal was a great poet in Persian and Urdu, philosopher and thinker .

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.

Dear Sir..he doesnt talk about his Brahmin roots in his poem...does he?? Did I miss any stanza?..

I dont think a true Musilim would bring in caste

that would totally Haraam to bring in unislamic believes.
 
Dear Sir..he doesnt talk about his Brahmin roots in his poem...does he?? Did I miss any stanza?..

I dont think a true Musilim would bring in caste

that would totally Haraam to bring in unislamic believes.

Doctor,

Here under I copy a portion of article I found in a Kashmir Paper.

Iqbal’s praise of his Brahman cousins has attained proverbial status. His tribute to their qualities is extraordinary and serves as the community’s best PR statement. The Javed Nama contains verses overflowing with admiration of the Brahman zaadgaan-e-zindah dil or the ‘Scions of the Brahmans with vibrant hearts’. Says Iqbal:
A’an Brahman zaadganan-e-zindah dil
Laleh-e-ahmar zi rooye sha’n khajil
Tez been-o-pukhta kaar-o- sakht kosh
Az nigah-e-sha’n farang andar kharosh
Asl-e-sha’n az khaake-e-daamangeer ma’st
Matla-e-ein akhtara’n Kashmir ma’st
(Those scions of Brahmans with vibrant hearts, their glowing cheeks put the red tulip to shame. Keen of eye, mature and strenuous in action, their very glance puts Europe into commotion. Their origin is from this protesting soil of ours, the rising place of these stars is our Kashmir.)

In Payam-i-Mashriq, Iqbal sang praises of a Brahman maiden’s beauty like no poet could do:

Dukhtarey Brahmaney lala rukhey saman barey
Cheshm barooy-e-oo kusha, baaz ba khawaishtan digar
(A Brahman maiden, rose-cheeked and jasmine-bodied; Cast your eye on her and turn it backwards upon yourself).

There are different versions regarding the period of Poet Allama Iqbal's Hindu ancestry, the truth is that his ancestors (Saprus) were Kashmir Pundits.

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
 
Doctor,

Here under I copy a portion of article I found in a Kashmir Paper.

Iqbal’s praise of his Brahman cousins has attained proverbial status. His tribute to their qualities is extraordinary and serves as the community’s best PR statement. The Javed Nama contains verses overflowing with admiration of the Brahman zaadgaan-e-zindah dil or the ‘Scions of the Brahmans with vibrant hearts’. Says Iqbal:
A’an Brahman zaadganan-e-zindah dil
Laleh-e-ahmar zi rooye sha’n khajil
Tez been-o-pukhta kaar-o- sakht kosh
Az nigah-e-sha’n farang andar kharosh
Asl-e-sha’n az khaake-e-daamangeer ma’st
Matla-e-ein akhtara’n Kashmir ma’st
(Those scions of Brahmans with vibrant hearts, their glowing cheeks put the red tulip to shame. Keen of eye, mature and strenuous in action, their very glance puts Europe into commotion. Their origin is from this protesting soil of ours, the rising place of these stars is our Kashmir.)

In Payam-i-Mashriq, Iqbal sang praises of a Brahman maiden’s beauty like no poet could do:

Dukhtarey Brahmaney lala rukhey saman barey
Cheshm barooy-e-oo kusha, baaz ba khawaishtan digar
(A Brahman maiden, rose-cheeked and jasmine-bodied; Cast your eye on her and turn it backwards upon yourself).

There are different versions regarding the period of Poet Allama Iqbal's Hindu ancestry, the truth is that his ancestors (Saprus) were Kashmir Pundits.

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.

Dear Sir...

His praises do not bring in religion so its not Haraam.
He sings it like a how a poet would praise the beauty and qualities of mother nature.

Its clear he was only praising the Kashmiri Brahmins cos from the description of rosy cheeks a feature almost always only seen in
races from snow capped regions who tend to have rosy cheeks becos of lesser melanin content and also would have lighter hair and eyes.
 
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[FONT=q_serif]"Hindustan" is made up of 2 words, "Hind" and "Stan".[/FONT]
[FONT=q_serif]Hind in Arabic language translates to "Ind" in Latin, as in Indus River. Thus pointing to the land where river Indus Flows. Hence Hindustan is nothing to do with any religion. It's exactly the same as India in Latin, which again means Land of Indus River. And people living in "Hindustan" are called Hindus in the Middle eastern tongues, relating to Indian in Latin borne languages. Again it has nothing to do with any religion. And it is for a fact that all Indians are Hindus, irrespective of what religion they practice. Hinduism is not a religion per say, it is "the way of life, of people/civilisation which began and flourished along River Indus".

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https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-of-the-word-Hindustan-Is-it-a-Sanskrit-word-Is-it-another-language
 
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