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Go Not to the temple - a poem by Tagore

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renuka

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"Alwar says he is present in all forms by the words "இவ்வுருவுகள்". Not only in all times and everywhere but also in all forms." - this means He is existent in that beggar outside the temple doors. If a person kicks such a beggar with contempt, has hatred in his heart towards others then is there any meaning if such a person 'goes to God' and does some ritual? Is that really Bhakthi?

No answer is really expected -


I really dont get this!

Anyone can kick anyone...a temple goer can kick a beggar...a beggar can kick a dog.

Sage Bhirgu can kick even Lord Vishnu..list can go on and on.

Anger leads to extreme behavior.

Frankly speaking what has this got to do with Bhakti?

Bhakti itself is hard to define...many claim to have Bhakti or even Shraddha or Higher Thinking for the matter...but these are mere claims..a weakness of the mind that imagines they are "better" than another.

The act of kicking does not have to be physical...one can "kick" another by a bloated ego too and looking down upon others by unsolicited claims having Shraddha/Higher Thinking Capacity etc.


So if such a person thinks that they have understood Ishvara ...is this really believable?

Vidya(Knowledge/Wisdom) always comes with Vinayam(Humility)...I guess we already know the answer.
 
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zebra16

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I really dont get this!

Anyone can kick anyone...a temple goer can kick a beggar...a beggar can kick a dog.

Sage Bhirgu can kick even Lord Vishnu..list can go on and on.

Anger leads to extreme behavior.

Frankly speaking what has this got to do with Bhakti?

Bhakti itself is hard to define...many claim to have Bhakti or even Shraddha or Higher Thinking for the matter...but these are mere claims..a weakness of the mind that imagines they are "better" than another.

The act of kicking does not have to be physical...one can "kick" another by a bloated ego too and looking down upon others by unsolicited claims having Shraddha/Higher Thinking Capacity etc.


So if such a person thinks that they have understood Ishvara ...is this really believable?

Vidya(Knowledge/Wisdom) always comes with Vinayam(Humility)...I guess we already know the answer.
I like your overall post.

Coming to the high-lighted portion of your message, I cant resist asking, as ego (ordinary or bloated one) is assumed to reside in mind/head, do you mean head-butting, la Zinedine Zidane style..? :)
 

renuka

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Coming to the high-lighted portion of your message, I cant resist asking, as ego (ordinary or bloated one) is assumed to reside in mind/head, do you mean head-butting, la Zinedine Zidane style..? :)

Nope...headbutting Boom Boom Madu style!!!!
 

Vaagmi

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Your weakness is to turn discussion points into attacking a poster. You are welcome to attack the content of a post. Having said that, you limited your attacks and hence I applaud that.

You have described how you have come to your current belief. Your description is nicely written and I wish that you continue your journey.

Then, there is a potential to discover that not only the fascination with communism etc was a confusion then , but also that even the current beliefs are also rooted in delusion. Understanding Isvara is a journey undertaken by every inquiring individual - one that wants to really know. If one is stuck in a belief, then so be it - the potential to be a Jignasu is denied in this life time.
Where is the attack in my previous post. You owe it to me and other members here to pin point it. Do tell us or apologise.

There is no scope for a debate with you. I tried again and again to open up a debate with you and failed. You are able to see only upto the tip of your nose and not beyond. And you are very arrogant and confused. As you said arrogantly, you come here only in the 4th quadrant of your time as if people here in the forum are all jnana sunyams waiting for your wonderful wisdom quips even as they come from you when you are yawning and half asleep and that should have made me avoid you.

Be happy with your shining "superlative knowledge about everything about religon" and leave poor other members here who wallow " in mind set" "at low level" "condemned for ever not to be a jignasu" etc., so that they will be happy to keep away from your gospel outpourings. Arrogance, thy name is tks. LOL.

I note with amusement that you have not answered my question in the last para of my post. Wriggled out? LOL.

I reproduce that here for the convenience of other reading members here:

I would address just one question to you: Have you *understood* Isvara? If yes, please present briefly what is your *understanding*. You may also tell if you have understood Isvara, is it a belief now or something else and if something else what is that something?

I know you won't answer because you have not yet understood or known Iswara but frequently come here to present those flavorless alphabet soups in liberal quantities. Meanwhile go about happily with your "head butting" escapades in this forum. LOL.
 
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Vaagmi

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No one is saying one cannot worship in any form one pleases. Someone may see Him in a cross and another in another form (and may call it by a different name). I did not imply anything condescending except sharing my understanding. But one needs a more inclusive heart to perceive that.

"Alwar says he is present in all forms by the words "இவ்வுருவுகள்". Not only in all times and everywhere but also in all forms." - this means He is existent in that beggar outside the temple doors. If a person kicks such a beggar with contempt, has hatred in his heart towards others then is there any meaning if such a person 'goes to God' and does some ritual? Is that really Bhakthi?

No answer is really expected -
Your wish fulfilled. LOL.
 

tks

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1. Where is the attack in my previous post.
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2. I would address just one question to you: Have you *understood* Isvara? If yes, please present briefly what is your *understanding*. You may also tell if you have understood Isvara, is it a belief now or something else and if something else what is that something?

LOL.
Item 1. Where is the attack:
Post #56 "This tendency to be judgmental about others is your weakness" - This is an attack, not your typical name calling kind but in civil communication it is an attack.


Instead of sticking with the topic area you migrated into comments about me, weakness etc.


Post #64 - More typical the way you like to attack. I have lowered my expectations about your posts that all I could do was laugh out loudly reading your outburst. Yes, True LOL moment!


Item 2. Some questions do not have answers - that is not a flippant response. I have answered similar queries from you long time ago and it seems to have not registered. Let me provide a more simpler response with an example that may be easier to understand. It will be silly to belabor the example whose only intent is to convey a point.


If there is an epidemic and let us say there is a given medicine X that will help one deal with the illness. If I say, given your symptoms you may want to take this medicine X. I may further say go to a Doctor to get treated.


Rather than going to a Doctor and taking the medicine, imagine you arguing, "did you take the medicine" or "who are you to tell me" etc. That will be silly because the information (about medicine X) is not generated by me and can be independently verified by you if you wanted. In the end all I can say is if you want to get better, then consider doing your own research


Isvara is to be understood and not believed - That is not what I made up. You can take or leave it. May you should stick to 'going to God'

Other points


3. There is a lot of mistaken views about what is arrogance, what is humility and what is courage etc. You are welcome to call me names and if that helps you relieve your tension, so be it.


4. Where is all this anger coming from? All I had was a post, You dont have to respond to the post or even read it. I do not read most posts and I mostly skip what you write. Occasional sample once in a while tells me nothing has changed over the years.


A few people who are frequent posters here do not make up the reader base. It is silly to think one is representing the reader base since many who visit the site are not even members. I also do not care even if anyone reads my posts. I have stated elsewhere in another thread the reason why I post now and then.


You seem to be easily perturbed and that cannot be good for your health. I do not want to push any of your buttons because I think that will be causing Himsa and I do not want to do that.


Go to your God and be happy - Cant waste anymore of my Q4 time engaging with you.
 

renuka

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I know this post is not a reply to me but I cant help commenting!LOL

Answers in Blue.

Item 1. Where is the attack:
Post #56 "This tendency to be judgmental about others is your weakness" - This is an attack, not your typical name calling kind but in civil communication it is an attack.


Instead of sticking with the topic area you migrated into comments about me, weakness etc.

LOL! LOL! LOL!

The word weakness was used by your when you mentioned that your weakness is you keep forgetting that some in forum do not have the higher thinking capacity to understand what you are "preaching".

So its only natural for another to note another weakness in you...after all weaknesses are just part of being human.

Diagnosis: It is NOT a personal attack.

If you feel using the word WEAKNESS is a personal attack then I guess you had earlier attacked yourself in the earlier post where you stated you HAVE a weakness.







Isvara is to be understood and not believed - That is not what I made up. You can take or leave it. May you should stick to 'going to God'

Go to your God and be happy


At the end of the day...even an Understanding goes thru the mind and senses...just like the act of "Going to God".

Even to plan to "Go to God".....one needs the mind and sense organs to execute the plan of action...nothing different from the act of "understanding Ishwara" ...its exposure of information to the mind and assimilation by the intellect and acknowledgement by the senses.

Its a known fact the the Ultimate state Brahman is not "Understood" ..it can NOT go tru the faculty of the mind.Read up please.

Your lack of understanding of the Ishwara concept has made you view everything else as STONE.

You fail to see Ishwara even in the act of Going to Temple or Going to God.

Kallai Mattum Kandal Ishwara Theriyathu,
Ishwara Mattum Kandal Kalladi Theriyathu.



Just to add ...someone who has really understood Ishwara would NOT use words like "Going to God"/"Go to your God and be happy etc "..He/she would view the act of going to temple/God as Ishwara going to Ishwara.

Samadarshinah totally absent...Man...you are totally NOT a Panditah!LOL








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prasad1

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Two wrongs do not make it right.
Why this personal attacks?
We can discuss our understanding of any issue without feeling that alone is the correct version. We can present an alternative opinion without taking it personally.
Let us cool it. None of us has reached the state of Jeeven Mukta. We may feel we understand it all, till someone presents an alternative opinion.
One gentleman who could not stop making personal remarks, instead of commenting on the post has left the forum. We don't want the moderator to work extra hours.
 

tbs

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Two wrongs do not make it right.
Why this personal attacks?
We can discuss our understanding of any issue without feeling that alone is the correct version. We can present an alternative opinion without taking it personally.
Let us cool it. None of us has reached the state of Jeeven Mukta. We may feel we understand it all, till someone presents an alternative opinion.
One gentleman who could not stop making personal remarks, instead of commenting on the post has left the forum. We don't want the moderator to work extra hours.
hi

just nothing..ONLY EGO AND HYPOCRATIC.....WE TAMBRAMS ARE FAMOUS FOR THESE TWO...
 

Vaagmi

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Reply to post # 67:

Post #56 "This tendency to be judgmental about others is your weakness" - This is an attack. In civil communication it is an attack.
OK. If this is an attack what about this in post #67:
"You seem to be easily perturbed and that cannot be good for your health."
Perhaps in your perception this is a compliment. Strange indeed. But you still owe an explanation or an apology. You are reminded. LOL.

Instead of sticking with the topic area you migrated into comments about me, weakness etc.
Have you not done the same thing? LOL.

Some questions do not have answers - that is not a flippant response. I have answered similar queries from you long time ago and it seems to have not registered. Let me provide a more simpler response with an example that may be easier to understand. It will be silly to belabor the example whose only intent is to convey a point.
I understand your discomfiture. I leave it at that. No need of squirming. LOL.

Isvara is to be understood and not believed - That is not what I made up. You can take or leave it. May you should stick to 'going to God'
The way you keep repeating it, it gives a clear impression that you are stuck at that and have not moved forward. My experience says understanding comes as a milestone in a long road. After crossing that milestone comes several other milestones - I have listed them in my earlier posts- and then comes another milestone which is belief. Then comes the next milestone called unadulterated pure love for God entity which is also called bhakti and the journey continues further. You are pathetically wanting in getting this complete picture. God bless you soon. LOL.

There is a lot of mistaken views about what is arrogance, what is humility and what is courage etc.
These are your quips in just this one post under reference. Every post of you has such chest beating statements about your "superlative knowledge" about everything about religion. LOL:

1.I also do not care even if anyone reads my posts. I have stated elsewhere in another thread the reason why I post now and then (in my 4th quadrant time).

2.Cant waste anymore of my Q4 time engaging with you.

These are not arrogant statements according to you. Let readers be the judge.

You seem to be easily perturbed and that cannot be good for your health. I do not want to push any of your buttons because I think that will be causing Himsa and I do not want to do that.
LOL. I am amused. I welcome your decision. But please note. I will continue to read your silly and sillier posts here and will be offering my comments. I won't stop doing that. That is because i do not want arrogance, ignorance and loudmouthing of half baked ideas of a confused mind go unchallenged. i will certainly come here to challenge you every time you come here with one such silly post. Answering or not is your choice. But Members who read will draw their own conclusions as they have done now after watching your wriggling out from a reasonable question that was addressed to you. Keep writing. I enjoy the fun. LOL.
 
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Janaki Jambunathan

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There are two circumstances that lead to arrogance: one is when you're wrong and you can't face it; the other is when you're right and nobody else can face it.

The later circumstances seems to be rarest of the rare!
 
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