To all respected MEMBERS,
Belief determines the "Conduct".
Thought determines "Character".
A man of perverted mindand a doubting person do not get spiritual knowledge.
A.V.V.RAJAGOPAL-COIMBATORE-TAMIL NADU
Dear sir,
Nice words and a good topic to discuss.
BTW I have a doubt..dont you think its us humans who are extremely rigid when it comes to right and wrong?
Sometimes I feel that only God gives us the absolute freedom of being at the either end of the character spectrum.
Only God confers us the freedom to be good or bad.
Its basically all in our own mind and conduct and what I love about God no matter how fallen a person is He still lifts him/her up and wipes away his/her tears.
Truly only God is the Patita Pavana.
Dear Renuka,
You have wonderful philosophical thoughts that showcases your higher spiritual sense, isn't it?
IMO, we are humans only because we know what is right and what is wrong. We, as civilized humans live in a society with all our human feelings and emotions that all lines up between the two opposite spectrum of right and wrong. Otherwise we would be no different than animals.
If tomorrow one of my close friends terribly betrays me or fixes me up to cover up the mistakes done by him, I would never consider his acts as that of God's wish/control on him and continue to keep my friendship with him. All I would think is, his thoughts are not good and thus have wrong conduct and character. I will keep myself away from him and request God to shower his grace upon him.
If a neighbor do any filthy things to the next door man or woman, the person at receiving end would not pardon him/her, thinking that, it's God's will upon him/her to act in such and such way. So, let me keep embracing him/her and be friendly to him/her.
Like wise there are many cases and many relationships, that makes us understand the good and the bad, the right and the wrong. And we end up accepting or rejecting as the case may be. Because we are Humans.
In the name of God, spirituality and astrology we can only understand why the erring person is like this or like that. But, we can not take the grievous errors for granted. We live our life securing your body, mind and thoughts. We look for emotional and moral fulfillment within our self and between fellow humans, in every walk of our life.
Yes, only God is Truly the Patita Pavan. We mere humans are not cent percent perfect, to be qualified to be the Patita Pavan. We live in a society with some belief system, trusting God and spirituality, glorifying God as some one who bestows his grace upon his people and help them to be righteous.
So, IMO, we as humans can peacefully and happily live our life only by identifying and administering what is right and what is wrong. The parameters off course differs from individual to individual and each person accepts or rejects based on with what he/she can be comfortable and happy.
To all respected MEMBERS,
Belief determines the "Conduct".
Thought determines "Character".
A man of perverted mindand a doubting person do not get spiritual knowledge.
A.V.V.RAJAGOPAL-COIMBATORE-TAMIL NADU
For example, let me provide an example...
Strange as it might, wonder if such thoughts leads us to think of the person behind such thoughts. Would he get spiritual?let us say a married couple seek thrill and has sex in public in one of the busy parks in the Chennai City ( how they do it without attracting audience is a different matter).... would you say this couple may not get spiritual knowledge?
Dear Members,
The greatest weakness is doubt.
Doubt is the enemy.Doubt is the greatest sin.
Slay this doubt.
Slay the slayer mind.
A.V.VRAJAGOPAL-COIMBATORE-TAMILNADU
Dear Ravi,
....... what I was trying to say that even God doesn't ask for perfection from us humans but we humans impose rules of perfection on others.
This is a crime that all of us commit someway or the other without even knowing it sometimes.
That was what I was trying to relate.
Strange as it might, wonder if such thoughts leads us to think of the person behind such thoughts. Would he get spiritual?
Thats not the reason for my post though. Just wanted to tell you that this reminds me of a story of a dog that waited for a couple of days outside Ramanashree's Ashram to have his darshan. Just after it had his darshan, it is said it died.
I fail to see the connection between the dog waiting outside Ramanashre Ashram and the quoted message.A person with a perverted mind can very well have very good character and conduct. We have to analyse the perversion on case by case by basis. For example, let me provide an example... let us say a married couple seek thrill and has sex in public in one of the busy parks in the Chennai City ( how they do it without attracting audience is a different matter).... would you say this couple may not get spiritual knowledge?
Dear Sri Raghy,I fail to see the connection between the dog waiting outside Ramanashre Ashram and the quoted message.
That some of you some how bring in your pet pov into every discussion just baffles me.He was not the only one in my mind when I wrote my message in post #5.
In all probability, the war and story would continue.Now what if the Kauravas had won the great war? Would the moral of the story be different?
there are multiple meaning or connotations to the word 'doubt'.I feel we should welcome any doubt in our lives..without doubts there are no questions and without questions there are no answers.
1. Our moderator has put a muzzle on my posts; I can post but they will be deleted. Some earlier ones, more than a month old, are deleted.
2. He has not accepted my explanation on the 'controversial post', despite telling repeatedly that I have nothing more to add on the issue.
3. My profile shows I have permission to post or start new threads. I requested him to cancel my membership, but he has not done that. I can't find the button to cancel my membership on my own.
4. When I started typing I get an encouraging message "it appears that you have not posted in our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask .... etc."
That is how it is now!
So when you have a doubt, is there a doubt that you already have an impression and that your questions flow in that direction?
Dear Sri Raghy,
I myself pointed out that there is no connection. So, dont worry much.
That some of you some how bring in your pet pov into every discussion just baffles me.
Of course, you have facts and examples to back them up, but what is it you are trying to convey?
That there is no connection between being spiritual and your (past) thoughts?
Is it possible that sometimes right and wrong need not be absolute? For example, we know that after any major battle, history is written by the victor. All Indian children are taught that the Pandavas were good people (in spite of some minor vices) and that the Kauravas were bad (in spite of rumors that Duryodhana was a good king). Now what if the Kauravas had won the great war? Would the moral of the story be different?
Talking about Mahabharat..go see the movie Avengers.
I dont know if I am obsessed with Hinduism but somehow the story line looks very Mahabharat to me.
Firstly there are 5 men and 1 woman who are fighting the evil Loki who has a bigger and stronger army.
One of the 5 men is the Hulk who only uses brute strength and doesnt think much always filled with rage(reminded me of Bheema).
One is an Archer(expert marksman) and the woman warrior known as Black Widow has a soft corner for him(reminded me of Draupadi and Arjuna).
The female warrior somehow has a sway over all the 5 men.
They do take advise from her too.
Initially the Archer wanted to fight Loki but when Loki paid him a surprise attack, Loki manages to control the Archer's mind and the Archer does NOT fight Loki.
Then after much convincing and when the mind control effect of Loki wears off the Archer is ready to fight.
That part reminded me of the despondency of Arjuna in the battle of Mahabharat.
Then there is Iron man and Captain America(well you can make them Nakul and Sahadev)
There is also Thor(one of the 5 men) who is related to Loki(Loki and Thor are brothers).
Both Loki and Thor are sons of Gods and they are Demi Gods.
So the war is mainly between Thor and Loki cos Loki wants to conquer the world to show Thor that he is greater to him.
Sounds very much like Duryodhana and Yudhisthira to me.
Ok next they get all their instructions from Samuel Jackson who is their commander and guides these 5 men and 1 woman to save the world.
So Samuel Jackson's role is like Lord Krishna.
Go see it ..wonder if you get the same feel.