85% Indian-Americans support Obama for second term: Survey

[prasad1]

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The Indian-American community has come out in strong support of US President Barack Obama, who kicked off his re-election campaign with two rallies in Ohio and Virginia, with an overwhelming 85 per cent of them favouring a second term for him. About 85 per cent of the Indian-Americans support Obama for a second term, according to a latest survey conducted by Lake Research Partners, a DC-based political consultancy firm, with APIAVote. APIA stands for Asian American Pacific Islander.

The Times of India - Indian Newspapers in English Language from six editions.

 

[biswa]

Well who support Haley and Jindal. Probably all the non-Indians. It's a strange world in politics.

 

[Jaykay767]

Gosh - whats with the indians !!. they always vote on emotional issues - caste, race, community etc... Infact not only Indians, I see this in many races - the african americans, hispanics etc.. they are all swayed by emotive issues.!!

Look I like Obama as a person, but the question is - is he competent, the right person for the Job ?? Has he delivered against what he promised ?

I mean this is the bane for our country in India, most of the politicians are a disaster because we dont put merit & competence above all other considerations !!

well, one things is proven, education & different culture does not bring in a rational mind

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Gosh - whats with the indians !!. they always vote on emotional issues - caste, race, community etc... Infact not only Indians, I see this in many races - the african americans, hispanics etc.. they are all swayed by emotive issues.!!

Look I like Obama as a person, but the question is - is he competent, the right person for the Job ?? Has he delivered against what he promised ?

I mean this is the bane for our country in India, most of the politicians are a disaster because we dont put merit & competence above all other considerations !!

well, one things is proven, education & different culture does not bring in a rational mind

Dear Jaykay,

I could not quite understand the connection - between your post and that of OP.

What is the connection between Indian Americans overwhelmingly supporting Obama and voting on emotive issues?

People, in general, are more rational than you would think!

 

[ShivKC]

Dear Jaykay,

I could not quite understand the connection - between your post and that of OP.

What is the connection between Indian Americans overwhelmingly supporting Obama and voting on emotive issues?

People, in general, are more rational than you would think!

most of the Indians are color conscious and it includes brahmin too. and most of the indians would love to have a boss, who is less in colour tone, so that, they can psychologically rule over him and be content in their wild imagination of bossing around in dreams and nostalgia.

even for brahmins, a pure white skin president like Bush is an ego clash.. possibly a choice of submission for a higher white skin tone..

so the best option is, to chose one who is low in color, and definitely Obama falls in to the line of thoughts, and a low tones boy..

for me, i an not at all for obama.. i wish obama takes a defeat.

 

[Iyyarooraan]

It must be really a killing time for Indian Americans who have not been able to fight out the in feriority complex. Some people, some things are not prone to change. Alas, they do not know how to fight this complex! The best way to do it is to go back to your country and make it stronger and wealthier. It is not the colour or complexion which rule the nations.

 

[prasad1]

most of the Indians are color conscious and it includes brahmin too. and most of the indians would love to have a boss, who is less in colour tone, so that, they can psychologically rule over him and be content in their wild imagination of bossing around in dreams and nostalgia.

even for brahmins, a pure white skin president like Bush is an ego clash.. possibly a choice of submission for a higher white skin tone..

so the best option is, to chose one who is low in color, and definitely Obama falls in to the line of thoughts, and a low tones boy..

for me, i an not at all for obama.. i wish obama takes a defeat.

Shiv,
I am terribly disappointed with your post. It is amazing that you think color plays any part in selecting the President of USA for American of Indian origin.

I would like to think that most of the decision is based on qualification, party, policy, and personality in that order.

 

[prasad1]

It must be really a killing time for Indian Americans who have not been able to fight out the in feriority complex. Some people, some things are not prone to change. Alas, they do not know how to fight this complex! The best way to do it is to go back to your country and make it stronger and wealthier. It is not the colour or complexion which rule the nations.

Iyya,
You are mistaken about American economy, or the fate of American of Indian origin. Majority of american PIO's are doing fine thank you. I do not understand your quip about the fight, so I will let it pass. There is no inferiority complex, actually PIO Americans are doing fine, and actually much better than the average American.

 

[Jaykay767]

Dear Jaykay,

I could not quite understand the connection - between your post and that of OP.

What is the connection between Indian Americans overwhelmingly supporting Obama and voting on emotive issues?

People, in general, are more rational than you would think!

Sir, Let be clarify. By all accounts, Obama has not delivered on his promises. He allowed the debt to blow up to 15 trillion, very expensive healthcare, employers are NOT hiring people because of the high healthcare costs they have to provide, more regulation on wall street restricting free flow of money etc.. Instead of lowering taxes, he is arguing for higher taxes on the rich. It is the rich who create business, middle class tax breaks are useless because they dont create businesses, at best spend money. so does not understand economics.

why is his healthcare expensive ?, because it covers pre-existing diseases & dependents. Automatically the insurance companies hiked the rates massively.

so anyways, in all respects Obama has failed to deliver on his promises. yes most Indian americans support him due to race, minority, pro-immigration etc.. - all reasons outside of merit & competence. !!

so where is the rational mind when they are deciding which presidential candidate to go for ?

 

[Jaykay767]

It must be really a killing time for Indian Americans who have not been able to fight out the in feriority complex. Some people, some things are not prone to change. Alas, they do not know how to fight this complex! The best way to do it is to go back to your country and make it stronger and wealthier. It is not the colour or complexion which rule the nations.

Agree. American Indians have a massive Identity problem & a inferiority complex. Since they cannot mix or blend with the other communities, they stick together most of the time & are fairly isolated from the majority white community. They are victims (real & assumed ) of racism, immigrant discrimination, violence, isolation etc..

Hence all of them are rooting for Obama because of race, immigration, etc..

Instead of living a second class citizens, they are better off returning to India !!

 

[Jaykay767]

Shiv,
I am terribly disappointed with your post. It is amazing that you think color plays any part in selecting the President of USA for American of Indian origin.

I would like to think that most of the decision is based on qualification, party, policy, and personality in that order.

Hi Prasad,

Sorry thats not the case. Refer my earlier post. Pl tell us in what way has he delivered on his promises, economy, jobs, etc.. ? I will simply rest my case & support Obama.

PS: I disagree with Shiv on the point that Indians prefer a colored boss, they all like white skin, so thats not the problem. But race, immigrant issues, violence, etc.. have isolated them from the mainstream like the Blacks & Hispanics, so they are all rooting for Obama due to emotive issues.

Cheers,
JK

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Sir, Let be clarify. By all accounts, Obama has not delivered on his promises. He allowed the debt to blow up to 15 trillion, very expensive healthcare, employers are NOT hiring people because of the high healthcare costs they have to provide, more regulation on wall street restricting free flow of money etc.. Instead of lowering taxes, he is arguing for higher taxes on the rich. It is the rich who create business, middle class tax breaks are useless because they dont create businesses, at best spend money. so does not understand economics.

why is his healthcare expensive ?, because it covers pre-existing diseases & dependents. Automatically the insurance companies hiked the rates massively.

so anyways, in all respects Obama has failed to deliver on his promises. yes most Indian americans support him due to race, minority, pro-immigration etc.. - all reasons outside of merit & competence. !!

so where is the rational mind when they are deciding which presidential candidate to go for ?

Perhaps, we might need to come to an agreement on what the term "rational" means!

I am not trying to argue about the merits of Obama vs other candidates. I am trying to understand on what basis do you think Indians' support to Obama is based on emotive issues.

The race argument might be applicable for african americans, not Indians. I do not think Indians view Obama as their own race.

I am not sure what you are hinting at by mentioning "pro-immigration" but it can only point to a "rational" benefit and not an "emotional" one.

You also mentioned tax break to middle class, which is again a rational benefit to the largely middle-class Indian immigrant population.

I still do not think you have come up with any reasonable answers to support your position.

 

[Jaykay767]

கால பைரவன்;135469]Perhaps,we might need to come to an agreement on what the term "rational"means!

I am not trying to argue about the merits of Obama vs other candidates. I amtrying to understand on what basis do you think Indians' support to Obama isbased on emotive issues.

The race argument might be applicable for african americans, not Indians. I donot think Indians view Obama as their own race.

I am not sure what you are hinting at by mentioning "pro-immigration"but it can only point to a "rational" benefit and not an"emotional" one.

You also mentioned tax break to middle class, which is again a rational benefitto the largely middle-class Indian immigrant population.

I still do not think you have come up with any reasonable answers to supportyour position.

Let me quote the official definition:

A rational decision is one that is not just reasoned, butis also optimal for achieving a goal or solving a problem

so lets understand the OP - 85% of American Indians support Obama.

what is the basis for any president to be elected - Merit, Competence,Experience, Track Record & policies.

so has Obama succeeded in his first term - NO.

so what is the rational behind the 85 % support by Indian americans ? - Norational analysis - becos if he has failed, why should so many support him ?

Like they elect based on Caste in India - they are rooting for Obama forreasons other than merit & competence !!

 

[Jaykay767]

கால பைரவன்;135469]I amnot sure what you are hinting at by mentioning "pro-immigration" butit can only point to a "rational" benefit and not an"emotional" one.

You also mentioned tax break to middle class, which is again a rational benefitto the largely middle-class Indian immigrant population.

President is supposed to first deliver on economy, jobs, security for thecountry citizens.

why should anyone vote for him because he wants to open the gates for all &sundry to immigrate. I mean I dont want millions to immigrate to my city &messup my life !!

So Indian americans first need to think like american citizens & vote, notworry about bringing all the cousins, relatives, mama, machan etc.. !! BecosObama is open for immigration, does NOT make him a better president.!!!!

 

[prasad1]

Hi Prasad,

Sorry thats not the case. Refer my earlier post. Pl tell us in what way has he delivered on his promises, economy, jobs, etc.. ? I will simply rest my case & support Obama.

PS: I disagree with Shiv on the point that Indians prefer a colored boss, they all like white skin, so thats not the problem. But race, immigrant issues, violence, etc.. have isolated them from the mainstream like the Blacks & Hispanics, so they are all rooting for Obama due to emotive issues.

Cheers,
JK

Where do I begin.

Obama Administration’s Achievements (Thus Far) » Obama's Achievements Center

STOPPING THE SLIDE Let’s remember that the new president was dealt a dreadful hand on Inauguration Day — including a shattered financial system and a national economy teetering on the brink of disaster. The administration’s chief accomplishment to date surely is devising and executing — with huge assists from the Federal Reserve — a comprehensive program to pull us back from the abyss. The stimulus was just one component.

ENACTING THE STIMULUS PACKAGE The much-maligned fiscal stimulus has been criticized from both the left (as too small) and from the right (as too big, especially the spending parts). My own judgment is that both its magnitude and composition were reasonable, though not perfect.

RESCUING THE BANKS
REDUCING FORECLOSURES
TRYING FOR REGULATORY REFORM
Saving the Auto Industry and all jobs related to Auto Industry.
Providing for Health Care, particularly for pre-existing conditions, and children over 23 years of age.
Ended the war in Iraq
Have an exit strategy from Afganistan.
And so much more.​

 

[Jaykay767]

Where do Ibegin.

ObamaAdministration’s Achievements (Thus Far) » Obama's Achievements Center

STOPPING THESLIDE Let’s remember that the new president was dealt a dreadful hand onInauguration Day — including a shattered financial system and a nationaleconomy teetering on the brink of disaster. The administration’s chiefaccomplishment to date surely is devising and executing — with huge assistsfrom the Federal Reserve — a comprehensive program to pull us back from theabyss. The stimulus was just one component.

ENACTING THE STIMULUS PACKAGE The much-maligned fiscal stimulus has beencriticized from both the left (as too small) and from the right (as too big,especially the spending parts). My own judgment is that both its magnitude andcomposition were reasonable, though not perfect.

RESCUING THE BANKS
REDUCING FORECLOSURES
TRYING FOR REGULATORY REFORM
Saving the Auto Industry and all jobs related to Auto Industry.
Providing for Health Care, particularly for pre-existing conditions, andchildren over 23 years of age.
Ended the war in Iraq
Have an exit strategy from Afganistan.
And so much more.

well you have left out the many many negatives !!. when he came he inherited amess (agreed), but he was brought into clear this mess. he did not.

anyone who does not have the common sense to rein in the debt, has to go. Imean will you take another house loan when you have an existing one & youare struggling to repay ?? when he came the debt was 5 trillion to 10 trillionbut he allowed that to swell to 15 trillion ! US economy got downgraded - whybecos of the soverign debt, regulation etc.. !!

Hi administration is a classic copy of an Indian politician !!.

Socialism/ Communism leads to short term benefit but eventually leads tobankruptcy. Large Govt programs eventually lead to massive soveriegn debt.remember Soviet Union, Eastern Europe & India - Narasimha Rao had toliberalise to get out of this mess !

In a capitalist economy, you dont bail out - period !!. Auto industry shouldhave been allowed to fail, thats the way it works. tough luck!.

I mean everyone wants a handout, who will not like some free money, food stampsetc.. why bother to work. get up in the morn go to food stamp office, pick somecash & have a few beers !!. who wil not like it - LOL !

do you bail out the many many companies that go bankrupt every day ? No. Butthis was an extra-ordinary situation - NO it doesnt matter. Private sector willbounce bank from these failures. so Obama was wrong to bailout, that issocialist policy - remember the Indian subsidies for Air India etc..,!! Indiais in such a debt, we got downgraded to just one level above junk rating.


what Obama is trying to do is argue that Capitalism is a problem & hence weneed to look at socialist policies. ?? How bizzare?. It is CApitalism that madeUSA the superpower. Just becos one gets into a recession, you dont throw thebaby out of the water.

thats what happens when you elect the inexperienced, incompetent.

sorry to use some strong words here, but lets get the facts clear here !!


Cheers,
JK

 

[Jaykay767]

Hi Prasad,

On the healthcare, while it is great to get pre-existing diseases in, the insurance bill has skyrocted. so none of the employers want to hire becose this massive insurance burden

so millions are unemplyed & they DO NOT have healthcare NOW !!!! so under Obama, far more millions do not have healthcare !! of course these unemployeds will have to pay a tax if they dont buy the very expensive healthcare - LOL !

so what is the purpose of passing a legislation that does not work !! - Remember most of the legislations in India are useless - likle right to education, right to food, crap, crap crap - LOL !!

Cheers,
JK

 

[prasad1]

well you have left out the many many negatives !!. when he came he inherited amess (agreed), but he was brought into clear this mess. he did not.

anyone who does not have the common sense to rein in the debt, has to go. Imean will you take another house loan when you have an existing one & youare struggling to repay ?? when he came the debt was 5 trillion to 10 trillionbut he allowed that to swell to 15 trillion ! US economy got downgraded - whybecos of the soverign debt, regulation etc.. !!

Hi administration is a classic copy of an Indian politician !!.

Socialism/ Communism leads to short term benefit but eventually leads tobankruptcy. Large Govt programs eventually lead to massive soveriegn debt.remember Soviet Union, Eastern Europe & India - Narasimha Rao had toliberalise to get out of this mess !

In a capitalist economy, you dont bail out - period !!. Auto industry shouldhave been allowed to fail, thats the way it works. tough luck!.

I mean everyone wants a handout, who will not like some free money, food stampsetc.. why bother to work. get up in the morn go to food stamp office, pick somecash & have a few beers !!. who wil not like it - LOL !

do you bail out the many many companies that go bankrupt every day ? No. Butthis was an extra-ordinary situation - NO it doesnt matter. Private sector willbounce bank from these failures. so Obama was wrong to bailout, that issocialist policy - remember the Indian subsidies for Air India etc..,!! Indiais in such a debt, we got downgraded to just one level above junk rating.


what Obama is trying to do is argue that Capitalism is a problem & hence weneed to look at socialist policies. ?? How bizzare?. It is CApitalism that madeUSA the superpower. Just becos one gets into a recession, you dont throw thebaby out of the water.

thats what happens when you elect the inexperienced, incompetent.

sorry to use some strong words here, but lets get the facts clear here !!


Cheers,
JK

Mr. JK,
I will not delve into personal finance.
You have the oft repeated Republican line.
If there was no deficit financing majority of us will not have a house or car. Similarly if the country can not have budget deficit the poor people can not have any service. The best solution to reduce the deficit is to raise Tax on super wealthy, which Republicans refuse to endorse.
We all need to reduce water consumption as there is water shortage. Next time there is a fire in the building (may not be yours) let us tell the fire marshall to stop using water. You cure is worse than the sickness.

People like you or your party people are the one who wanted employer paid health care. In a single payor system that problem would be solved in an instant.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/m...t_sys_comparison_12_nations_intl_brief_v2.pdf

http://healthcare-economist.com/2008/04/18/health-care-around-the-world-norway/

The majority of developed world takes better care of their citizen.

 

[Iyyarooraan]

Thank you for being frank. Well, I also agree opinions differ and differing opinions have differing contents or aspects. Forget TBs, Punjabis and others have this problem which is only perceptible. If one does not have inferiority complex (not necessarily means you can have superiority complex) it is all the good. The world is evolving so are individuals. The past history may not repeat itself as it looks today. So be it.

 

[biswa]

I am quite lost in the convoluted arguments in this thread about Indians being emotional and vote by caste and color. Now AFAIK, Obama is neither the caste nor the color of any Indian (he is a hybrid of African/Black and Euro/Amer/White races, none of which is present in India).

So if there are Indians who would vote for him, doesn't it mean that these Indians have transcended caste/race boundaries?

 

[கால பைரவன்]

I am quite lost in the convoluted arguments in this thread about Indians being emotional and vote by caste and color. Now AFAIK, Obama is neither the caste nor the color of any Indian (he is a hybrid of African/Black and Euro/Amer/White races, none of which is present in India).

I had also raised this question before, in addition to pointing out that issues concerning immigration policies and tax breaks are 'rational' issues and not 'emotional' at all.

Jaykay has formed an opinion on Obama's performance and has concluded that he does not deserve to be re-elected. He has arrived at these conclusions rationally, of which there can hardly be any doubt. Where he seems to err is he believes that because his conclusion is arrived at rationally, coming to a contrarian conclusion is irrational. It is a fallacy.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

A rational decision is one that is not just reasoned, butis also optimal for achieving a goal or solving a problem

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so what is the rational behind the 85 % support by Indian americans ? - Norational analysis - becos if he has failed, why should so many support him ?

Like they elect based on Caste in India - they are rooting for Obama forreasons other than merit & competence !!

I think JayKay is having fun in this thread. His logic astounds me.

He oversimplifies the problem of explaining behaviors of populations and groups. I suggest reading Mancur Olsen's works to gain better understanding on this subject:
Mancur Olson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To gain an understanding on game theory, the basis on which group behavior is explained in modern times, please read
Game theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also an interesting read for people with interest in mathematical concepts:
Prisoner's dilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jaykay767]

I had also raised this question before, in addition to pointing out that issues concerning immigration policies and tax breaks are 'rational' issues and not 'emotional' at all.

Jaykay has formed an opinion on Obama's performance and has concluded that he does not deserve to be re-elected. He has arrived at these conclusions rationally, of which there can hardly be any doubt. Where he seems to err is he believes that because his conclusion is arrived at rationally, coming to a contrarian conclusion is irrational. It is a fallacy.

Sir, Let me clarify.

On the question of whether Obama has delivered or not. There can only be 1 answer, YES or NO.

so if you "rationally" analyse the "most important issues" - debt situation, economy, jobs - he has NOT delivered.

Debt moved from 5 to 10 Trillion to 15 Trillion. As a president, one should first solve this problem first. Also Prasad said you have to tax the rich - this will further take the economy into deep recession. However even if the buffet rule is passed, it will only raise 30 billion in 10 yrs?. so is it even worth fighting on this issue ?

economy & Jobs: Housing crisis continues, defaults continuing every month, number of new business ventures are going down, millions & millions are out of work & more getting laid off. Most people out of work for 2 yrs have stopped looking for Jobs.

By spending that additional 5 Trillion, the economy has NOT improved an inch. It is sliding down on all parameters !!
if someone can show facts contrary to the above then I will rest my case.

if people are saying I did not arrive at this conclusion rationally based on hard facts, then they need to show facts to contrary.

 

[Jaykay767]

Reposting here from the other thread

In the case of Obama v/s Romney, the reason why I say people to choose Romneyis becos he is a "financial genius". He created super sucessfulcompanies, made a hell a lot of money, his VC firm was/is even more successful.His "super intelligent" investments are making huge amounts of moneyeven when he is spending a lot of time on the Campaign. & by all accountshas been a a very successful governor, balanced the budget, delievered on hispromises.

Now if he comes the president, then he will lead US back to a economicsuperpower & a great nation ! this is what "super IQ" folks doalways

if on the other hand they re-elect Obama, he will take the economy to deeprecession & depression. Millions will lose jobs & they will learn oneof the most expensive lessons ever to 'always elect the best of the best"

Infact it is better for Obama to be re-elected & make a total mess of theeconomy. then people will learn & this will be taught in all history books,will be a lesson for all other countries & generations to come so itwill do more good in the long term.

History always teachs us the best lessons. Genius Kings & commanders willlead their people to safety & these kings are celebrated. rest of themediocre kings & commanders fall on the wayside, but with millions losetheir lives in the process.

PS: I know Obama supporters will be all over on this, but welcome any rationalobjections, analysis as always

Cheers,
JK

 

[Iyyarooraan]

In general Democrats though appealing to be good have always have caused problems here whereas the Republicans have been good to India outwardly. America has often said that it has no friends nor enemies; it has only permanent interests. There is no problem for the localized Indians. But for those who have one leg here and one there (and I believe there are substantial numbers in the second category), their thoughts will be influenced by their interest and current state of affairs. And the resultant predicament will be awkward for all.