Tamil Brahmins
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 30
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    22
    Points
    7,618
    Level
    9
    Downloads
    9
    Uploads
    0
    Images
    4

    Post Time to perform Srardham

    வணக்கம்,

    சிரார்த்தம் செய்ய உகந்த நேரம் எது? சில பேர் சொல்வது பகல் 9 மணிக்கு மேல். இன்னும் சில பேர் சொல்வது பகல் 11 .30 மணிக்கு மேல் செய்ய வேண்டும் என்று? இதில் எது சரியானது? சான்றோர்கள் விளக்கம் சொல்ல வேண்டுகிறேன்.

    அன்புடன்

    சுரேஷ் குமார்
  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    7,100
    Points
    22,837
    Level
    16
    Downloads
    4
    Uploads
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by msureshkumar View Post
    வணக்கம்,

    சிரார்த்தம் செய்ய உகந்த நேரம் எது? சில பேர் சொல்வது பகல் 9 மணிக்கு மேல். இன்னும் சில பேர் சொல்வது பகல் 11 .30 மணிக்கு மேல் செய்ய வேண்டும் என்று? இதில் எது சரியானது? சான்றோர்கள் விளக்கம் சொல்ல வேண்டுகிறேன்.

    அன்புடன்

    சுரேஷ் குமார்
    Dear Sureshkumar,

    I am not very familiar with Tamil. Hence if you have difficulty pl. get this translated.

    Apastamba dharmasUtra (II. 7. 16. 4-7) provides certain times for the performance of srAddha viz. ... that the afternoon is preferable for it. Manu (III.276-278) states that the afternoon is preferable to the forenoon for the performance of a sraddha. Apastamba holds that when once a srAddha is begun in the afternoon and owing to some cause there is delay and the sun sets then the performer should perform the remaining rites the next day and he should observe a fast till the placing of the pinDas on the darbhas.

    Very learned disquisitions are held in aparArka, hEmAdri and other writers and digests as to the meaning of aparAhna which is the time for srAddha prescribed by Manu (in. 278). There are several views. Some hold that the part of the day after noon is 'after-noon'. The word 'purvAhna' occurs in rgvEda X 34. 11. Others relying on a Sruti text that 'the forenoon is for gods, mid-day for men and afternoon for pitr^s', hold that the third part of the day, divided into three parts, is 'aparAhna.' A third view is that aparAhna is the 4th part of the day divided into five parts and they rely on Satapatha brAhmaNa II. 2. 3 9. The five parts are called prAtaH, sangava, mAdhyandina (or madhyAhna), aparAhna and sAyAhna (or sAyam or astagamana). The first three are expressly mentioned even in the rgvEda V. 76. 3.

    prajApati-smr^ti (verses 156-157) says that each of these five parts extends over three muhUrtas (the day being divided into fifteen muhUrtas). It further states that kutapa is the 8th muhUrta from sunrise and that srAddha should be begun in kutapa and should not last
    beyond rauhiNa muhUrta and that five muhUrtas (from 8th to 12th) are the maximum time for srAddha. The general rule is that srAddhas are performed in the afternoon (but this applies to srAddha on New moon, mahAlLaya, ashTaka and anvashTaka srAddhas), while vr^ddhisrAddha and srAddha in which only corn is offered - and no food (AmasrAddha) may be performed in the morning.

    In this context it is relevant to note that most rituals, including srAddha, have undergone vast changes in regard to the rules and observations connected with them. For instance, there was a type of srAddha called 'ashTakA' in which a cow was sacrificed for the pitr^s. (hiraNyakESi
    gr^hyasUtra II.14 & 15. There is divergence in the offerings also. The kAThaka gr^hyasUtra (61. 3), jaimini gr^hyasUtra. 2. 3 and SAnkhAyana gr^hyasUtra (III. 12. 2 ) provide that on the three different ashTakAs the offerings are of cooked vegetables, flesh and apUpas* (cakes) - mAshApUpam means "uLundu vaDai", guLApUpam means "appam" - while the pAraskAra gr^hyasUtra III, 3 and khAdira gr^hyasUtra III 3. 29-30 put apUpas for the first ashTaka (and hence Gobhila Gr. III 10. 9 designates it apUpAshTakA) and boiled vegetables on the last. According to khAdira gr. III. 4.1 a cow is sacrificed. According to ASvalAyana gr^hyasUtra II. 4. 7-10, gObhila gr. IV. 1. 18-22, kauSika 138. 2, baudhayana II.11, 51-61, on the 8th day very many options are given, viz. either to sacrifice a cow or a ram or a goat; or to offer some jungle flesh that may be available or flesh mixed with sesame and honey, or flesh of the rhinoceros, deer, buffalo, ram, boar, spotted deer, hare, rOhita deer, pigeons, sArnga and other birds or an old red goat; fishes or rice cooked in milk so as to form a thin gruel, or gifts only of uncooked corn or fruits and roots, or gold may be offered or only grass for cows or oxen or one may burn some thickets in a forest or present jars (pitchers) for holding water to those deeply learned in the vEda or one should merely recite the mantras relating to srAddha, saying "this is the ashTakA I offer", but one should not remain without observing the ashTakA day in some such manner as above.

    The ashtakA srAddha as well as amAvAsi srAddha and the regular srAddha required one cow to be sacrificed, its omentum and flesh to be cooked separately and to be used for oblation in the fire, etc. etc. Even reading these may now be repulsive to many, but I am mentioning just to show that thereis no such thing as "proper time" unless we take some gr^hyasUtra as authority and when we do that we will find that many of the prescriptions there are just impossible to be implemented today. So, it is better to adapt to the convenience of our times and follow what will suit you and the vAdhyAr.

    Note: All the information given above has been taken from "History of Dharmasastra" by Mahamahopadhyaya p.V. Kane.
    Last edited by sangom; 30-09-2010 at 05:43 PM.
  3. All views expressed by the Members and Moderators here are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the TamilBrahmins.com Website.
    If you are having a problem with a particular thread or user, please use the "REPORT POST" button beside the offending post to inform us or raise a complaint.
  4. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    coimbatore. INDIA.
    Posts
    1,327
    Points
    13,917
    Level
    12
    Downloads
    27
    Uploads
    0
    One naaligai=24 minutes; one muhurtham is 2 naligai=48 minutes.therefore 7th muhurtham is over by 11-30A.M and ends by 3-30 P.M. after which you should do srardham.

    Therefore you may start ( first take bath in the morning dry your clothes which must be wear during srardham) by giving gingilly oil to the sastrigals by about 10.30 A.M. then you have to take maadhyanika snanam wear the dried cloth do maaadhyanikam ;gayathri japam; wear new poonal; do vischinnagni hothram and oupaasanam.

    by 11.30 A.M. you can start srardham and it will be finished by 2 P M. In kali yuga as people will be very sexy the use of the flesh of animals is abandoned for srardham. instead of that you have to use plantain unriped fruit(monthan vaalaikai). and also you have to offer in the agni only CURD for astakai srardham.

    You are feeling the heat of the sun in the month of may. Imagine what will be heat near the sun and to the sun. The shadow of the Sun is falling on the Sun is the kuthapa kalam, and at that time only the heat will be lessoned for the sun and the sun is able to bless all.

    The pithrus are coming down and took their place in the inner aura of the sastrigals which is 2 inches above their physical body. during aavaahanam of the pithrus the dharbai should be one inch atleast above their physical body. (hand) and not touching their physical body. only gingilly oil is having the capacity to remove the dirts in the inner aura. Therefore the sastrigals should take oil bath before srardham.It is not enough to take only one teaspoon of oil in their on their head.
  5. All views expressed by the Members and Moderators here are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the TamilBrahmins.com Website.
    If you are having a problem with a particular thread or user, please use the "REPORT POST" button beside the offending post to inform us or raise a complaint.
  6. #4
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    coimbatore. INDIA.
    Posts
    1,327
    Points
    13,917
    Level
    12
    Downloads
    27
    Uploads
    0
    Sorry for the mistake . In the first LIne ending it must be you should not do srardham. Kirleokan photography now a days is taking and showing you the inner and outer aura of our bodies. In Tamil nadu chennai one docter in arumbakkam is having that.You are inviting the pithrus and you should not provide them dirty places to sit down.Only they will get angry. The sastrigals are after taking bath in their houses are going out. But the inner aura they have to clean them by taking oil bath in your house. For some persons srardham will come on amavasaior on dwadasi day and nobody should take oil bath on those days. But here the sastrigals is taking oil bath
    only from the kartha's earned money's oil and for the good sake of the kartha the sastrigal can take. There is no harm in it.

    On these days instead of pure gingilly oil you can mix small amount of ghee and pepper and betel leaf and thulasi leaf and heat them and then give that oil to the sastrigals. now it becomes thailam and anybody can use thailam on any day.
  7. All views expressed by the Members and Moderators here are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the TamilBrahmins.com Website.
    If you are having a problem with a particular thread or user, please use the "REPORT POST" button beside the offending post to inform us or raise a complaint.
  8. #5
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    229
    Points
    4,455
    Level
    7
    Downloads
    1
    Uploads
    0
    திரு சுரேஷ் குமார் அவர்களே,

    உசிஷ்டம் தேவ நிர்மால்யம்
    ரஜதம் ஸ்வேத பர்ப்படம்
    ஸ்ரார்த்தே சப்த பவித்ராணி
    தௌஹித்ரா குதபஸ் தில

    என்று ஒரு ஸ்லோகம் உள்ளது. அதாவது ஸ்ரார்தத்துக்கு ஏழு அவசியங்கள் உள்ளன. அவை புதிதாகக் கறந்த பால், கங்கை நீர், வெள்ளி, வெண்பட்டு, பெண்வயிற்றுப் பேரன், குதப காலம் மற்றும் எள். இந்த ச்லோகத்தின்படிப் பார்த்தால் ஸ்ரார்த்தம் குதப காலத்தில் அதாவது பத்தரை மணிக்கு மேல் தான் செய்ய வேண்டும். இந்த விளக்கம் உங்களுடைய சந்தேகத்தை தீர்த்துவைக்கும் என்று நம்புகிறேன்.
  9. All views expressed by the Members and Moderators here are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the TamilBrahmins.com Website.
    If you are having a problem with a particular thread or user, please use the "REPORT POST" button beside the offending post to inform us or raise a complaint.
  10. #6
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Nanganallur Chennai
    Posts
    228
    Points
    4,730
    Level
    7
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by vsubbu48 View Post
    திரு சுரேஷ் குமார் அவர்களே,

    உசிஷ்டம் தேவ நிர்மால்யம்
    ரஜதம் ஸ்வேத பர்ப்படம்
    ஸ்ரார்த்தே சப்த பவித்ராணி
    தௌஹித்ரா குதபஸ் தில

    என்று ஒரு ஸ்லோகம் உள்ளது. அதாவது ஸ்ரார்தத்துக்கு ஏழு அவசியங்கள் உள்ளன. அவை புதிதாகக் கறந்த பால், கங்கை நீர், வெள்ளி, வெண்பட்டு, பெண்வயிற்றுப் பேரன், குதப காலம் மற்றும் எள். இந்த ச்லோகத்தின்படிப் பார்த்தால் ஸ்ரார்த்தம் குதப காலத்தில் அதாவது பத்தரை மணிக்கு மேல் தான் செய்ய வேண்டும். இந்த விளக்கம் உங்களுடைய சந்தேகத்தை தீர்த்துவைக்கும் என்று நம்புகிறேன்.
    I am illiterate on this But I am told that 'venpattu' should not be worn while doing theertha tharpanam etc.When we are doing tharpanam as part of shrardham how this is possible.please clear my doubt.
  11. All views expressed by the Members and Moderators here are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the TamilBrahmins.com Website.
    If you are having a problem with a particular thread or user, please use the "REPORT POST" button beside the offending post to inform us or raise a complaint.
  12. #7
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    229
    Points
    4,455
    Level
    7
    Downloads
    1
    Uploads
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by wrongan View Post
    I am illiterate on this But I am told that 'venpattu' should not be worn while doing theertha tharpanam etc.When we are doing tharpanam as part of shrardham how this is possible.please clear my doubt.
    It is a common belief and custom that venpattu is not worn during sraddha ceremony probably to show that this is not a 'mangala karyam'. But there seems to be no 'shastra pramanam' ie support of the scriptures for this custom. If it is there, I would request that it may be posted in the forum. Please also note that though the son performs the sraddham of his parent, it is his sister's son and not his own son, who is required to be present for the sraddham.
  13. All views expressed by the Members and Moderators here are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the TamilBrahmins.com Website.
    If you are having a problem with a particular thread or user, please use the "REPORT POST" button beside the offending post to inform us or raise a complaint.
  14. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    coimbatore. INDIA.
    Posts
    1,327
    Points
    13,917
    Level
    12
    Downloads
    27
    Uploads
    0
    Ven pattu not to wear but should be given to the 2 sastrigals who are taking food there. On those days they will invite sister's son or any other relatives for srardham as all brahmins will not go to work in offices and should not do any busuness. and also no facilities to go abroad or to far off places.
  15. All views expressed by the Members and Moderators here are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the TamilBrahmins.com Website.
    If you are having a problem with a particular thread or user, please use the "REPORT POST" button beside the offending post to inform us or raise a complaint.
  16. #9
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    229
    Points
    4,455
    Level
    7
    Downloads
    1
    Uploads
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by kgopalan View Post
    Ven pattu not to wear but should be given to the 2 sastrigals who are taking food there. On those days they will invite sister's son or any other relatives for srardham as all brahmins will not go to work in offices and should not do any busuness. and also no facilities to go abroad or to far off places.
    Thanks Mr. Gopalan Sir. The sloka I quoted does not explicitly say that ven pattu should be given to the brahmins. It only states that seven things that are considered sacred for srarddham includes ven pattu. If someone is willing to give pattu veshti to the shastrigal, there can be no objection. In any case, if one wants to give ven pattu then it should be to the shastrigal who sits in pitru sthanam. But would the other shastrigals accept this?

    one of the sacred shraddah items is silver (there is a saying that 'rajatham pitru vallbham ie pirtus desire silver); but there is no practice of giving silver items to the shastrigals during shraddha.

    while one may call relatives one likes, grandson through the daughter is desired by the pitrus according to the sloka I quoted. Incidentally calling too many relatives, not closely related to the dead person, makes sraddham a big function which is not desirable.
  17. All views expressed by the Members and Moderators here are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the TamilBrahmins.com Website.
    If you are having a problem with a particular thread or user, please use the "REPORT POST" button beside the offending post to inform us or raise a complaint.
  18. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    coimbatore. INDIA.
    Posts
    1,327
    Points
    13,917
    Level
    12
    Downloads
    27
    Uploads
    0
    Pithru sthanam sastrigal and visvedevar sthanam sastrigals will accept ven pattu dhoti. silver vessals are used on those olden days for serving meals to sastrigals.and to keep gingilly seeds;thulasi; ghee for homam etc;
  19. All views expressed by the Members and Moderators here are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the TamilBrahmins.com Website.
    If you are having a problem with a particular thread or user, please use the "REPORT POST" button beside the offending post to inform us or raise a complaint.
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •