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Brahmins are the ''new minority'' in Tamil Nadu. Not only a minority but also an insignificant one. WIth a total population of just 2 % they have more or less faded away thanks to the aggressive anti-brahminism practiced by DMK and other political parti ..
I don't understand why sothai Brahmins are hated with a vengeance in TN, when many other so called upper castes are are actively keeping other castes down. Don't jump down my throat for saying sothai, I mean adicha paambe adichindu irukka mudiyumo.
First of all i dont understand when some tamil brahmin claim discrimination in tn . 30% is in open reservation. And we know who come top in this categories and lining up in us embassy for visa. Even in entertaiment such tamil tv dramas .tamil brahmin actor dominate in field discounting non tamil actor. There two type tamil brahmin the one changed acordding to time and tamil orthodox brahmin who want bring back old system . Fyi i am not brahmin or india born indian
 

ekaputra

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The majority community is actually doing great harm to Tamil by their hate brahmin remove Sanskrit rhetoric
someone was complaining about Ponniyin Selvan word usage and gave dharma-sankatam as example. எனக்கு தர்மசங்கடமாயிருந்தது. They want to strip vadamozhi and replace with hideous words they create, changing Tamil as we know it. In addition atrocious words created in the movies or elsewhere are added. Pronunciation of Tamil is going downhill thanks to the so called Tamil fanatics. Long back the Srilankan railways had 3 classes with the 1st class maintained in the posh state left by colonial masters. The government at some point made the move to scrap all upper classes and make everything flat 3rd class. This is what is happening to Tamil. Instead raising everyone up to 1st class, they are bringing everyone down to the gutters. but as vgane said in his Nazi quote, other communities are obviously assisting in the downfall.
They make fun of Brahmin expressions and words like 'Nannaa Irukkelaa?', 'pukkaaththu', 'poranthaaththu'. Are words like 'vanthichu', 'irunthichu', 'poidichu' correct Tamil words.

Many years back, in a TV interview Karunanidhi was asked by a (TV) viewer '... ithukku unga advice enna?'. He immediately corrected him 'why do you use the word advice instead of arivurai'. A few minutes later in answering another question he said 'avanga kittenthu thaan entha response illai'. Even Ravana had only 10 faces!

The lack of distinct consonants (for ka and ga, pa and ba, ta and da and so on) in Tamil is having a very adverse effect on the way Tamil children pronounce and spell words in other languages. The succession of Governments are reluctant to enhance the language - the only change they have accepted is introducing the way they now write words like 'alai' (wave) and 'yaanai' (elephant) and that change was accepted because that was 'Periyar sonna maatram'. If they are rejected in interviews for jobs in MNCs, they have only themselves and the dravidian governments (which have been ruling the state for the last 50+ years) to blame. In contrast, (in Hindi) they have introduced the use of '.' below some Devanagari consonants so that words like 'farz' and 'qilaa' can be written without ambiguity and they have also introduced the use of an arc above some vowels so that words like 'common' and 'man' can be transliterated in Devanagari. (If they also did away with gender it would be a great help 'pustak' is masculine, 'qitaab' is feminine and so is 'moochh' (moustache)) - these gender rules cost me a lot of marks in Hindi in my school leaving exams)

And removing words common to Sanskrit and Tamil as being vadamozhi only points to their incurable inferiority complex. They assume that the word must have been borrowed in Tamil from Sanskrit and never the other way around because flow is always from the higher to the lower and it is hard wired in their heads that Sanskrit is the superior language.

Anyone who tries to learn and speak correct English is considered an upstart (they even have an expression for it - periya Peter England) but according to them it is civilised to use sentences like 'avan oru tension party' to describe a short tempered person.
 
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mangalam

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The நாஸ்திகம் பேசி நாத்தழும்பேரின so called draavida kumbal has over 60 years made up this story aided by the white man that, the Brahmin is an invader or whatever - who brought his language, religion etc replacing the local religion (surprise which was also Hinduism). So he along with his religion and language must be destroyed. of course Abrahamic religions ( the true invaders to this land) and the communists would love to join forces to bring down Hinduism by bringing down the priest.
It is so easy to confuse the common man with continuous brainwashing specially with movies. They portray the brahmin as the sankrit lover and tamil hater, but sorry to say it is the Brahmin who speaks proper tamil. Somehow the jewel of tamil ழகரம் is completely absent in the tongue of the so called tamil upkeepers,
not to talk about ன ண difference. I laugh when I hear மன்னன் pronounced as மண்ணன் in the movies. I agree with ekaputra above. The so called TAs do they even understand thevara thiruvaasakam ? Iam sure they have some theory about the aadhi brahmin namely the esteemed Mutharkuravar Thirugnanasambanthar, pillai paathi puranam paathi meaning half of periyapuranam is about him. They may rewrite history saying he was not a brahmin.
 
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usaiyer

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The spoken Tamil also has variants in different sections in the community.like 'Sadam podu' for serving food by one section 'Amudu padai ' by another section .Similarly there are usages like ' Thalihai, 'Sathamudu',which others can know only after some explanation,.
Malay Tamil and Sinhalese Tamil appear to have been less diluted than ours.
Though the Brahmin professors of early 50s being intellectuals
were in demand as teachers for difficult subjects like Mathematics Physics & science subjects as well as Sanskrit,
Teaching Tamil was never thought as difficult. One can never forget the contribution to Tamil of U.Ve,Swaminatha Iyer ,Subramanya Bharathi and many from the Brahmin Communities, Denigrating the community will mean denigrating the stalwarts or a poor understanding of what they have done for the cause of Tamils.
 
The spoken Tamil also has variants in different sections in the community.like 'Sadam podu' for serving food by one section 'Amudu padai ' by another section .Similarly there are usages like ' Thalihai, 'Sathamudu',which others can know only after some explanation,.
Malay Tamil and Sinhalese Tamil appear to have been less diluted than ours.
Though the Brahmin professors of early 50s being intellectuals
were in demand as teachers for difficult subjects like Mathematics Physics & science subjects as well as Sanskrit,
Teaching Tamil was never thought as difficult. One can never forget the contribution to Tamil of U.Ve,Swaminatha Iyer ,Subramanya Bharathi and many from the Brahmin Communities, Denigrating the community will mean denigrating the stalwarts or a poor understanding of what they have done for the cause of Tamils.
While i agree to above statement. There are some miscreant brahmin behaviour that made people loathe brahmin
 

Vaagmi

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While i agree to above statement. There are some miscreant brahmin behaviour that made people loathe brahmin
There is so called miscreant behaviour in every community like Pillai, Mudaliyar, Thevar, Konar, Naidu, Vanniyar etc., why it is not making people loathe them?
Statistics gives out the fact that instances of “ miscreant” behaviour by Brahmins is far less than that by other dominant communities.
Brahmins never kill or maim Dalits. All other communities do that. — just one instance of “ miscreant” behaviour.
For the dominant communities their cultivated collective hatred for Dalits pays by creating a slave like work force. Similarly cultivated collective hatred for Brahmins pays by removing competition.
 
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mangalam

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I totally agree with Vaagmi, and you hit the nail on the head with the last 2 lines.
Brahmins in many instances have genuinely worked for the upliftment of lowcastes, not with ulterior motive as aadu nanaiyuthendru onaai alutha maathiri, like people are doing now. Sharing old info about temple entry
இவைகளைக் கண்ணுறும் போதெல்லாம் தொடக்கத்திலே பெரும் எதிர்ப்புகளையெல்லாம் சமாளித்து ஹரிஜன ஆலயப் பிரவேசத்துக்கு வழி செய்தவர்களும், அவ்வியக்கத்தின் முன்னணியில் நின்று தம் செயலாலும் பேச்சாலும் எழுத்தாலும் அதனைச் சாதித்தவர்களுமான பேரறிஞர் சிலரை நான் நினைப்பதுண்டு. சுப்பிரமணிய பாரதி, சேர்.சி. பி.ராமசுவாமி ஐயர், மதுரை அட்வகேட் வைத்தியநாதையர், காங்கிரஸ் தலைவர் சத்தியமூர்த்தி, முதுபெரும் அரசறிஞர் ராஜாஜி ஆகியோரே இத்துறையில் என் மனதில் முதலிடம் பெறுவோர். இவர்கள் அனைவரும் சாதியில் மிக உயர்ந்ததாகக் கருதப்படும் பிராமண குலத்தைச் சேர்ந்தவர்கள். ஆயினும் தென்னகத்திலே தீண்டாமையொழிப்பு, ஹரிஜன ஆலயப் பிரவேசம் ஆகிய இயக்கங்களை வழி நடத்தியவர்களுள் முக்கியமானவர்களும் இவரே. சேர்.சி. பி.ராமசுவாமி ஐயர் திருவாங்கூர் ராஜ்யத்தின் முதன் மந்திரியாக இருந்த காலத்தில் அதன் தலைநகராகிய திருவனந்தபுரத்திலுள்ள மிகப் பிரசித்தி பெற்ற ஆலயமாகிய பத்மநாபர் ஆலயத்தை ஹரி ஜனங்களுக்காகத் திறந்து விட்டவரெனப் பாராட்டப்படுபவர். அதைப்போலவே மதுரை வைத்தியநாதையரும் மதுரை மீனாட்சியம்மன் ஆலயத்துள் ஹரிஜனங்கள் செல்ல வழி செய்தவருள் முக்கியமானவராகக் கருதப்படுபவர். தீண்டாமையொழிப்பு, ஹரிஜன ஆலயப் பிரவேசம் ஆகிய வரலாற்றில் இவர்களுடைய பெயர்கள் நிலையான இடத்தைப் பெரும் என்பதை எவரும் மறுக்க மாட்டார்.
 
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There is so called miscreant behaviour in every community like Pillai, Mudaliyar, Thevar, Konar, Naidu, Vanniyar etc., why it is not making people loathe them?
Statistics gives out the fact that instances of “ miscreant” behaviour by Brahmins is far less than that by other dominant communities.
Brahmins never kill or maim Dalits. All other communities do that. — just one instance of “ miscreant” behaviour.
For the dominant communities their cultivated collective hatred for Dalits pays by creating a slave like work force. Similarly cultivated collective hatred for Brahmins pays by removing competition.
Maybe because they taught brahmin are root of all evil plaguing society today or made to believe . The brahmins i qouted here is forefather of brahmin who propounded caste system
 
Maybe because they taught brahmin are root of all evil plaguing society today or made to believe . The brahmins i qouted here is forefather of brahmin who propounded caste system
It is bewildering for me that a community of 3 percent cannot compete in open competition 30% btw all poor children should given equal acess to education
 
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usaiyer

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#67 quite a valid point about unfairness to Dalits and fear of competition from the Brahmin community, things projected for a long time as a survival strategy with all unfairness to the core.
Brahmins were always fair to all sections of society in their dealings and have also fought for the well being of fellow
society members as put vividly in #68
British atrocities of Jalianwalabagh or the Jewish massacre by
Germans are condemnable historic acts no doubt. but Brahmins have always been socially conscious and welfare centric all thru,
It was Bharathi who spoke loud and clear "Jathi erundozhia
veerillai" .only two castes Males &Females'
 

Vaagmi

Well-known member
Maybe because they taught brahmin are root of all evil plaguing society today or made to believe . The brahmins i qouted here is forefather of brahmin who propounded caste system
Two big lies.
1. Brahmins are the root (cause) of all evil plaguing the society.
Brahmins in my village never kill Dalits. Thevars kill. For silly reasons.
2. In the infamous Keelvenmony incident in Dravidian ruled Tamilnadu a hundred Dalit agriculture labourers were roasted alive along with their elderly parents and children. Children who came running out from the burning houses were systematically caught and thrown into the burning huts. Brahmins were nowhere near the scene of crime. After prolonged court proceedings a Naicker land lord who was the accused was released.
3. In another infamous incident in a place called Vachathi in Dravidian ruled Tamilnadu an entire village of scheduled Tribals were raped mercilessly by powerful politicians including Government Officials. The case took the usual course and ended up ultimately. No Brahmin was involved.
4. Brahmins never built walls preventing Dalits entering certain areas.

And if you ask the dominant castes, their leaders will say that Brahmins are responsible for everything. That is the big joke.
Castes were not the making of Brahmins. It was a convenient arrangement for every caste above Dalits. When it became inconvenient the dominant castes needed a scapegoat and Brahmins came handy.

Hitler found that hatred is the best opiate and he sold it freely to his German public. We know what a horrible consequence followed. In Tamilnadu also we had a hitler who copied Hitler and liberally distributed hatred. We are witness to that. The Tamil society is still in the grip of that opiate.

Facts can not be wished away nor Be hidden.
 
Two big lies.
1. Brahmins are the root (cause) of all evil plaguing the society.
Brahmins in my village never kill Dalits. Thevars kill. For silly reasons.
2. In the infamous Keelvenmony incident in Dravidian ruled Tamilnadu a hundred Dalit agriculture labourers were roasted alive along with their elderly parents and children. Children who came running out from the burning houses were systematically caught and thrown into the burning huts. Brahmins were nowhere near the scene of crime. After prolonged court proceedings a Naicker land lord who was the accused was released.
3. In another infamous incident in a place called Vachathi in Dravidian ruled Tamilnadu an entire village of scheduled Tribals were raped mercilessly by powerful politicians including Government Officials. The case took the usual course and ended up ultimately. No Brahmin was involved.
4. Brahmins never built walls preventing Dalits entering certain areas.

And if you ask the dominant castes, their leaders will say that Brahmins are responsible for everything. That is the big joke.
Castes were not the making of Brahmins. It was a convenient arrangement for every caste above Dalits. When it became inconvenient the dominant castes needed a scapegoat and Brahmins came handy.

Hitler found that hatred is the best opiate and he sold it freely to his German public. We know what a horrible consequence followed. In Tamilnadu also we had a hitler who copied Hitler and liberally distributed hatred. We are witness to that. The Tamil society is still in the grip of that opiate.

Facts can not be wished away nor Be hidden.
Read back my comment throughly
 

mangalam

Member
I did not know and looked up and was horrified, certainly looked like Hitler hunting down Jews. What hurts is that people stood by and let it happen. So 68 to 92 nothing changed. Anyway all dominant castes have the scapegoat Brahmin to take the focus away from them.

Keezhvenmani massacre Tamil Nadu, India on 25 December 1968 in which a group of around 44 people, the families of striking Dalit village labourers, were murdered by a gang, allegedly led by their landlords. The chief accused was Gopalakrishnan Naidu.
The Vachathi case involved a mass crime that occurred on 20 June 1992 in the village of Vachathi, in Dharmapuri district, A team of 155 forest personnel, 108 policemen and six revenue officials entered the Tribal-dominated Vachathi village, searching for smuggled sandalwood to gather information about Veerappan. Under the pretext of conducting a search, the team ransacked the villagers' property, destroyed their houses, killed their cattle, assaulted around 100 villagers, and raped 18 women.
 

prasad1

Gold Member
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What is the direction of this thread?
The original post is almost forgotten, it has become a forum for bashing other castes. as if that is going to impact the plight of Brahmins in Tamil Nadu.
 
I did not know and looked up and was horrified, certainly looked like Hitler hunting down Jews. What hurts is that people stood by and let it happen. So 68 to 92 nothing changed. Anyway all dominant castes have the scapegoat Brahmin to take the focus away from them.

Keezhvenmani massacre Tamil Nadu, India on 25 December 1968 in which a group of around 44 people, the families of striking Dalit village labourers, were murdered by a gang, allegedly led by their landlords. The chief accused was Gopalakrishnan Naidu.
The Vachathi case involved a mass crime that occurred on 20 June 1992 in the village of Vachathi, in Dharmapuri district, A team of 155 forest personnel, 108 policemen and six revenue officials entered the Tribal-dominated Vachathi village, searching for smuggled sandalwood to gather information about Veerappan. Under the pretext of conducting a search, the team ransacked the villagers' property, destroyed their houses, killed their cattle, assaulted around 100 villagers, and raped 18 women.
I want to know why tn brahmin always equate themselves with jews massacre .There was no brahmin massacre but only abuse maybe until 80's .Maybe one or two out of ten dont like brahmin nowaday . Stop portraying that entire brahmin is treated like scum
 

krish44

Gold Member
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Brahmins in TN?
Where are they?
They have got marginalised and better ones left TN for other states and countries.
The left overs are only priests archarakars or poor widows who cook for a living.
There might e some die hard well off brahmins still sticking it out living in dream world of their own superiority and sitting on high horse.
Ground reality is inter mediate castes have taken over political power and economic power as a consequence
Those who quit TN in waves have got inter mixed with other castes and communities retaining soe brahmin traits.
Their next generation speak languages other than tamil and use some tamil words also
Very few of TB who fled TN are ritualistic .
Many take liquor and non veg and live a high life
Most have become wealthy outside TN .
Buy many have mixed with other castes and religion persons. So we have many half brahmin families
All this is part of evolution and not to lament about. Breast beating oes not make sense
Moving on accepting new realities makes eminent sense
 
Two big lies.
1. Brahmins are the root (cause) of all evil plaguing the society.
Brahmins in my village never kill Dalits. Thevars kill. For silly reasons.
2. In the infamous Keelvenmony incident in Dravidian ruled Tamilnadu a hundred Dalit agriculture labourers were roasted alive along with their elderly parents and children. Children who came running out from the burning houses were systematically caught and thrown into the burning huts. Brahmins were nowhere near the scene of crime. After prolonged court proceedings a Naicker land lord who was the accused was released.
3. In another infamous incident in a place called Vachathi in Dravidian ruled Tamilnadu an entire village of scheduled Tribals were raped mercilessly by powerful politicians including Government Officials. The case took the usual course and ended up ultimately. No Brahmin was involved.
4. Brahmins never built walls preventing Dalits entering certain areas.

And if you ask the dominant castes, their leaders will say that Brahmins are responsible for everything. That is the big joke.
Castes were not the making of Brahmins. It was a convenient arrangement for every caste above Dalits. When it became inconvenient the dominant castes needed a scapegoat and Brahmins came handy.

Hitler found that hatred is the best opiate and he sold it freely to his German public. We know what a horrible consequence followed. In Tamilnadu also we had a hitler who copied Hitler and liberally distributed hatred. We are witness to that. The Tamil society is still in the grip of that opiate.

Facts can not be wished away nor Be hidden.
To equate
Vaagmi - Please don't leave since a private chit chat was going on previously that prasad could not put a stop to and then at last we reverted back to a forum.
I answered since a self declared non-brahmin member called out brahmin miscreants and started brahmin bashing, so brahmin members started laying out facts. I don't understand how Prasad is not worried about absurd statements like "brahmin are root of all evil plaguing society today" and gets upset with what vaagmi and I said. seriously ??!!
When did i bash brahmins ? Can you explain pls . Read my comments throughly and then respond to it . Thanks
 
Brahmins in TN?
Where are they?
They have got marginalised and better ones left TN for other states and countries.
The left overs are only priests archarakars or poor widows who cook for a living.
There might e some die hard well off brahmins still sticking it out living in dream world of their own superiority and sitting on high horse.
Ground reality is inter mediate castes have taken over political power and economic power as a consequence
Those who quit TN in waves have got inter mixed with other castes and communities retaining soe brahmin traits.
Their next generation speak languages other than tamil and use some tamil words also
Very few of TB who fled TN are ritualistic .
Many take liquor and non veg and live a high life
Most have become wealthy outside TN .
Buy many have mixed with other castes and religion persons. So we have many half brahmin families
All this is part of evolution and not to lament about. Breast beating oes not make sense
Moving on accepting new realities makes eminent sense
Indian cement , bashayaam , tvs
 

krish44

Gold Member
Gold Member
Still if one were to regain old strength inTN the way to start is buying land and flats in TN.
Many in eighties sold their houses in chennai to builders for flat building in return for 2 flats.
Some with agriculural land sold them for a pittance while others built houses on these land shifting from agraharams.
My sambandhi built a huge farm house building with three floors .it has all facilities like ac frig well with water and farm hands to service.
He still lives there..
It is a good idea to choose boys and girls from TN still there for marriage to retain ones roots.
I have managed to retain a large presence in TN as a matter of choice.
This reverse migration from delhi has done me good.
Buy I still maintain my delhi presence as this only saved my family from penury in TN
 
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