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Why the Brahmins & Dalits should unite

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krish44

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In terms of electoral arithmetic 3-4% in terms of numbers does not count for much.

They ought to align with any party which values these numbers to gain political power.

Their best is to align with one of the factions of dravidian parties which are badly split to bolster their numbers beyond 31% in multi cornered fights.

If any other front [BJP led] comes close to winning a great many seats by putting together other castes ,then it might be worth it.

Brahmins can hardly play the caste card to get anything because of their small numbers unlike UP or uttarakhand

They can get a state cabinet post or perks related to minsters post.
 
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thebigthinkg

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Caste based voting benefits the rich and powerful amongst the castes and not others.

If TN Brahmins wanted to contribute to society in any meaningful way, as erstwhile knowledge providers of society, they could focus on (low, high, higher, very high end)education, research, teaching etc so they they can be the thought leaders and opinion makers of society (without excluding others from it). They can excel in it easily.

This thought leadership and opinion making is what Periyar took away from Brahmins in TN because they did not evolve adequately to meet the contemporary challenges.

Getting to political power working with other castes is not possible and even if possible will do no good to anyone.


-TBT
 

krish44

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very wise post.my upvote.

we brahmins can concentrate on what we can do best. Education plus jobs calling for high level of thought process.

Let us leave politics to others.

Let us go where we our education leads us.
 

renuka

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very wise post.my upvote.

we brahmins can concentrate on what we can do best. Education plus jobs calling for high level of thought process.

Let us leave politics to others.

Let us go where we our education leads us.

Stock market?


Cyber crime too needs high level of educationLOL

So its not education alone that is important..its practical application which is important AND risk taking.

Most highly intellectual types are NOT real risk takers.

So that way they seldom build empires and only land up being employees or a very highly paid CEO.
 
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Falcon

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Brahmins are minority in population.

And among the minority, there are few who suffer....

Are Brahmins the Dalits of today?

At a time when the Congress government wants to raise the quota for Other Backward Classes to 49.5 per cent in private and public sectors, nobody talks about the plight of the upper castes. The public image of the Brahmins, for instance, is that of an affluent, pampered class. But is it so today?

Doctors in arms


There are 50 Sulabh Shauchalayas (public toilets) in Delhi; all of them are cleaned and looked after by Brahmins (this very welcome public institution was started by a Brahmin). A far cry from the elitist image that Brahmins have!
There are five to six Brahmins manning each Shauchalaya. They came to Delhi eight to ten years back looking for a source of income, as they were a minority in most of their villages, where Dalits are in majority (60 per cent to 65 per cent). In most villages in UP and Bihar, Dalits have a union which helps them secure jobs in villages.

At Ground Zero of the quota protests


Did you know that you also stumble upon a number of Brahmins working as coolies at Delhi's railway stations? One of them, Kripa Shankar Sharma, says while his daughter is doing her Bachelors in Science he is not sure if she will secure a job.
"Dalits often have five to six kids, but they are confident of placing them easily and well," he says. As a result, the Dalit population is increasing in villages. He adds: "Dalits are provided with housing, even their pigs have spaces; whereas there is no provision for gaushalas (cowsheds) for the cows of the Brahmins."

The middle class deserves what it is getting


You also find Brahmin rickshaw pullers in Delhi. 50 per cent of Patel Nagar's rickshaw pullers are Brahmins who like their brethren have moved to the city looking for jobs for lack of employment opportunities and poor education in their villages.
Even after toiling the whole day, Vijay Pratap and Sidharth Tiwari, two Brahmin rickshaw pullers, say they are hardly able to make ends meet. These men make about Rs 100 to Rs 150 on an average every day from which they pay a daily rent of Rs 25 for their rickshaws and Rs 500 to Rs 600 towards the rent of their rooms which is shared by 3 to 4 people or their families.
Did you also know that most rickshaw pullers in Banaras are Brahmins?

Do our institutes connect with the real India?


This reverse discrimination is also found in bureaucracy and politics. Most of the intellectual Brahmin Tamil class has emigrated outside Tamil Nadu. Only 5 seats out of 600 in the combined UP and Bihar assembly are held by Brahmins -- the rest are in the hands of the Yadavs.

400,000 Brahmins of the Kashmir valley, the once respected Kashmiri Pandits, now live as refugees in their own country, sometimes in refugee camps in Jammu and Delhi in appalling conditions. But who gives a damn about them? Their vote bank is negligible.

And this is not limited to the North alone. 75 per cent of domestic help and cooks in Andhra Pradesh are Brahmins. A study of the Brahmin community in a district in Andhra Pradesh (Brahmins of India by J Radhakrishna, published by Chugh Publications) reveals that today all purohits live below the poverty line.

Eighty per cent of those surveyed stated that their poverty and traditional style of dress and hair (tuft) had made them the butt of ridicule. Financial constraints coupled with the existing system of reservations for the 'backward classes' prevented them from providing secular education to their children.

Who are the real Dalits of India?


In fact, according to this study there has been an overall decline in the number of Brahmin students. With the average income of Brahmins being less than that of non-Brahmins, a high percentage of Brahmin students drop out at the intermediate level. In the 5 to 18 year age group, 44 per cent Brahmin students stopped education at the primary level and 36 per cent at the pre-matriculation level.

The study also found that 55 per cent of all Brahmins lived below the poverty line -- below a per capita income of Rs 650 a month. Since 45 per cent of the total population of India is officially stated to be below the poverty line it follows that the percentage of destitute Brahmins is 10 per cent higher than the all-India figure.

There is no reason to believe that the condition of Brahmins in other parts of the country is different. In this connection it would be revealing to quote the per capita income of various communities as stated by the Karnataka finance minister in the state assembly: Christians Rs 1,562, Vokkaligas Rs 914, Muslims Rs 794, Scheduled castes Rs 680, Scheduled Tribes Rs 577 and Brahmins Rs 537.

Appalling poverty compels many Brahmins to migrate to towns leading to spatial dispersal and consequent decline in their local influence and institutions. Brahmins initially turned to government jobs and modern occupations such as law and medicine. But preferential policies for the non-Brahmins have forced Brahmins to retreat in these spheres as well.

Caste shouldn't overwrite merit


According to the Andhra Pradesh study, the largest percentage of Brahmins today are employed as domestic servants. The unemployment rate among them is as high as 75 per cent. Seventy percent of Brahmins are still relying on their hereditary vocation. There are hundreds of families that are surviving on just Rs 500 per month as priests in various temples (Department of Endowments statistics).

Read more at: http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/may/23franc.htm
 

prasad1

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The op started by saying Brahmins should unite with XXXXXX for the benefit of Brahmins.
That may not be a lofty goal, but at least it was a statement. It was disingenuous coming from Vganeji knowing his position.

But now the tables seems to have turned.
The post #56 is against Dalits altogether.


Vaagmiji has disputed the quoted text in an earlier post.

Appalling poverty compels many Brahmins to migrate to towns leading to spatial dispersal and consequent decline in their local influence and institutions.
 

krish44

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Stock market?


Cyber crime too needs high level of educationLOL

So its not education alone that is important..its practical application which is important AND risk taking.

Most highly intellectual types are NOT real risk takers.

So that way they seldom build empires and only land up being employees or a very highly paid CEO.
Quite true that most brahmins are not risk takers and would like to be wage earners with a monthly salary.

Risk taking does not mean stock market alone.

It might be real estate, Gold [Gold prices vary these days and investment rushes to Gold when stocks crash].

Brahmins can if they try park some money in various asset classes to do well.Education can help them to easily identify them.

Quite true Empire building requires a mindset.Disdaining money and feeling proud about it is a valued mindset we possess in ample amount.
 
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