Why South Indian Brahmins are intelligent?

[prasad1]

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Please get back to the topic of the OP.

 

[sravna]

Sravna, I think you have had these ideas of helping the world for some few years.

So when are you going to actually embark on your mission?

Developing the theoretical framework as that is necessary when you want to convince people. I do not want to use power.

 

[renuka]

Developing the theoretical framework as that is necessary when you want to convince people. I do not want to use power.

Ok, you need to work on it .

 

[sravna]

Thank you Renuka! Promising big picture. Hope the fine details also come out well.

 

[mangalam]

I think renuka and sravana should please continue this discussion as a direct online chat between themselves outside , since for quite a while this is NOT looking like a forum on the given topic

 

[renuka]

I think renuka and sravana should please continue this discussion as a direct online chat between themselves outside , since for quite a while this is NOT looking like a forum on the given topic

Thank you for your suggestion.
But for now its fine if Sravna and I decide on that.
May be Sravna could start a thread in chit chat section.
Or you could also request the Moderator to shift this entire thread to Chit Chat section so the chit chat may resume.

As for the ending of this story, you may notice that I had suggested to Sravna to start working on his plan.
So the dicussion has technically ended.

Alternatively if you feel that this is not looking like a forum on the given topic, you could also request the Moderator to close this thread.

So over to you Mangalam ji..you decide how you prefer it.

 

[sravna]

I think renuka and sravana should please continue this discussion as a direct online chat between themselves outside , since for quite a while this is NOT looking like a forum on the given topic

Madam,

Sorry for going off topic. But it does happen most of the times as it is difficult to to be constrained strictly by the one line heading and discussions take a natural course. But your point is well taken.

 

[mangalam]

Thank you folks,

going back to the Intelligence of Brahmins, A pal forwarded this weird letter to me asking me - is it true ? I was taken aback by the contents and did not know what to say. While it does not look like a letter that could be written by a lawyer, it's being forwarded everywhere. Why people pull Brahmins into everything is a mystery.

From: Kanesalingam A <[email protected]>
Date: 18 September 2021 at 9:45:23 AM MYT
To: [email protected]
Subject: Dalits

Mr Yogi Adityanath
Honourable Chief Minister,
Uttar Pradesh

Your excellency,
I am a Hindu lawyer practicing in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia for the past 50 years.
My father was a devout Hindu who came to then Malaya from Jaffna in the then Ceylon in 1920.
May I ask a provocative a question?
Does your excellency know why Brahmin babies are born healthy but not Dalit babies?
This is because Brahmin women who are pregnant eat rice with yoghurt or sambar with one almond in it, and do all the housework and walk a lot. But Dalit women who are pregnant, eat rice and plain water and work 12 hours without other exercise. Not surprising that Brahmin babies are born healthy and Dalit babies are not born healthy.
From immediately after birth, Brahmin boys are fed breast milk for two years. Dalit mothers give breast milk immediately the baby is born but switch to diluted condensed milk after that for two years.
The following is of cardinal importance.
Brahmin mothers give their babies a little mashed rice as soon as the baby’s neck is firm usually in six months.
Dalit mothers do not do this, they continue giving the baby only dilute condensed milk.
No wonder Brahmin babies’ brains develop but not the Dalit babies’ brains.
After the baby is one, Brahmin mothers and fathers talk and play a lot with the baby until the baby is four.
Dalit mothers ignore the baby most of the time.
our excellency, importance must be given to proper nutrition.
Kindly discuss this information with your State Health Department and professors of medicine in the great Uttar Pradesh universities.
I hope I have been helpful and not a nuisance.
My aim is to make Dalits just as healthy and brainy as Brahmins.
Yours truly,
A.Kanesalingam
Kuala Lumpur

 

[usaiyer]

I do not accept that Dharma Sastras can dictate the right or wrong action. What were people doing before Dharma Sastra was formulated? At best they were created around the 2nd century B.C.

What is Dharmasastra? - Definition from Yogapedia

This definition explains the meaning of Dharmasastra and why it matters.

www.yogapedia.com

So they were not God-Given, may be given by Manu, Moses, or Mohamad.
They are not universal and keeps changing according to society. I do not believe in the idea that it is God-given. It is all man-made. Brahman does not create, judge, or punish. You can explore as much as you want.

The above ref. website quotes only the Smruthi ,and not Sruthi.
The Vedas much older and spread thru hearing only, originate from the divine and passed on thru Rishis, contain
basic life principles fort he guidance of the Hindu followers.
The Vedas were compiled by Vedavyasa ,as also the Upanishads, which propound the spirituality aspect of life.the essence of Himduism. Most of our ancestors were Asthikas and they believed in these scriptures.
'satyam vada, dharmam chara,,Matru Devo Bhava, Pitru Devo
Bhava, Aacharya devo Bhava ,Athithi devo bhava' are simple
life principles for guidance(Sheesahvalli ,in Taitryopanishad).
More work& research on our scriptures are done in US universities than in India).
We can gain some good idea from Kanchi Paramacharya's
book titled "The Vedas"

 

[Suresh ente sure]

Thank you folks,

going back to the Intelligence of Brahmins, A pal forwarded this weird letter to me asking me - is it true ? I was taken aback by the contents and did not know what to say. While it does not look like a letter that could be written by a lawyer, it's being forwarded everywhere. Why people pull Brahmins into everything is a mystery

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...0QFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0ZnL_q4KMVNUQ71vahVD0Z . Just ask him directly

 

[mangalam]

Thanks for that link, interesting,
Some person chooses to compare brahmin babies and dalit babies and gives an imagined nutrition and exercise background as to one baby's better IQ and health over the other. If a person has a genuine interest in raising the down trodden they need to study deficiencies of the group and address them. Where do Brahmins come in the picture ? I wanted to show how even if we don't say that Brahmins are an intelligent group, others are saying it.

 

[vignesh1234]

The forum was -Why are south Indian brahmins intelligent , so it is stating that a group is intelligent and trying to find reasons for that.
not sure why we are having a God discussion, anyway the prayer we Hindus say before eating is "Brahmārpañam .....", beautiful in it's essence. The problem with the Muslim prayer is that God for them is only Allah, where it is translated into English as God equates to only Allah. I have travelled far and wide on Interfaith conferences and very clear about this. That is why we are infidels for them.
Going back to the forum topic I would like people to comment on the 3 dominant groups viz the brahmins of TN, the Jews and the Vellalars of SriLanka, what is the common denominator ? Majority communities around them hate them with a vengeance.

Are you 1), or 3) ?

I think there are more NB than B on tb.com

 

[sravna]

Hate of another person happens when your ego is hurt or subdued. In the former you may be able to retaliate fast but in the latter retaliation comes out at the moment when retaliation is possible.

In the first it is likely that it is far less justified but a natural reaction of many. It is a tricky situation. The latter is just a natural correction and offers more hope for quicker reconciliation.

 

[Mani_Chennai]

What a cacupoo.

Thank you folks,

going back to the Intelligence of Brahmins, A pal forwarded this weird letter to me asking me - is it true ? I was taken aback by the contents and did not know what to say. While it does not look like a letter that could be written by a lawyer, it's being forwarded everywhere. Why people pull Brahmins into everything is a mystery.

It is the psychological background that makes or brakes the future of a child. Other than Brahmans, Pillai and Mudaliars others have to go back to manual work, thus the child does not get group love and grows insecure. Also, even before marriage, in general, the lower strata does not check the physical and biological strengths - deficiencies of vitamins, calcium... and the whole range, makes the child to inherit a less healthy body and mind. Since, they don't have highly educated elders to guide them (now such highly educated quota people move away from their clan, thus deprive the children intellectual stimulation and growth. Science tells that all children are born with about 85 lakhs of neurons, but they grow in size due to stimulation like speech, music, education, love, nutrient... which are denied in the lower strata. All government aid to help never reach them due corruption and absorbed by their own clans who are elected.

Poor children lack KG education which is important.

Now even birth control free pills are swindled by the people they elect but are paid per vote. The basic point is they do not have role model. Economic poverty (throughout the world) also stun their brain growth. So, just feeding rice with curd or sambar sadam does not make any one intelligence. The major point is in the upper castes "education" is given importance but in the lower category, due to their poverty, they are forced to become laborers.

I had helped some Harijan boys to come up and two of them are IAS officers. I used to feed them old rice with butter milk and ericha Spinach (keerai)l and I used to eat with them. I took promise that they will not ashamed of their parents and will visit with them when they become IAS. They did. Since I was doing voluntary free service to elders, they did not object. So, food, guidance and quality education are the keys for success even in the West. But by using quota ploy, politicians who steal the vote from the poor deprive them their intellectual and educational growth.

Most Brahmans were poor, but sacrificed their welfare for the education of their children. It is the second generation that started thriving. My students do not take bribe and still now have no bungalows.

The Malaysian person probably has more palm oil in his diet should find a Psychiatrist and go to a really good statistic class to learn more. Intelligence is not automatic to any caste, creed or tribe, it evolves over nurturing by elders who care about education and not ask “what is the use of education”. They fail to teach social skills(soft skills). The poor children are victims of political betrayal and family failures. I know a few highly intelligent other (lower) caste scientist and we are still friends.

 

[sravna]

What a cacupoo.

It is the psychological background that makes or brakes the future of a child. Other than Brahmans, Pillai and Mudaliars others have to go back to manual work, thus the child does not get group love and grows insecure. Also, even before marriage, in general, the lower strata does not check the physical and biological strengths - deficiencies of vitamins, calcium... and the whole range, makes the child to inherit a less healthy body and mind. Since, they don't have highly educated elders to guide them (now such highly educated quota people move away from their clan, thus deprive the children intellectual stimulation and growth. Science tells that all children are born with about 85 lakhs of neurons, but they grow in size due to stimulation like speech, music, education, love, nutrient... which are denied in the lower strata. All government aid to help never reach them due corruption and absorbed by their own clans who are elected.

Poor children lack KG education which is important.

Now even birth control free pills are swindled by the people they elect but are paid per vote. The basic point is they do not have role model. Economic poverty (throughout the world) also stun their brain growth. So, just feeding rice with curd or sambar sadam does not make any one intelligence. The major point is in the upper castes "education" is given importance but in the lower category, due to their poverty, they are forced to become laborers.

I had helped some Harijan boys to come up and two of them are IAS officers. I used to feed them old rice with butter milk and ericha Spinach (keerai)l and I used to eat with them. I took promise that they will not ashamed of their parents and will visit with them when they become IAS. They did. Since I was doing voluntary free service to elders, they did not object. So, food, guidance and quality education are the keys for success even in the West. But by using quota ploy, politicians who steal the vote from the poor deprive them their intellectual and educational growth.

Most Brahmans were poor, but sacrificed their welfare for the education of their children. It is the second generation that started thriving. My students do not take bribe and still now have no bungalows.

The Malaysian person probably has more palm oil in his diet should find a Psychiatrist and go to a really good statistic class to learn more. Intelligence is not automatic to any caste, creed or tribe, it evolves over nurturing by elders who care about education and not ask “what is the use of education”. They fail to teach social skills(soft skills). The poor children are victims of political betrayal and family failures. I know a few highly intelligent other (lower) caste scientist and we are still friends.

I think the problem has been made harder than it really is. Giving someone their rightful due and reconciling is a lesser problem than removing the perceived superiority of the oppressor because the former is more likely to happen under the compulsions at least of the external reality while latter needs purification of the mind.

Good things have been done in India to redress the subjugation of some castes in the past. Lot more needs to be done and sustained.