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Why computer science graduates can’t talk themselves into jobs

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Is this a NASSOM study ruing about the lack of soft skills of our engineering graduates!

No, this is the cry of UK bemoaning the education policy that does not make their engineers articulate

[h=1]Why computer science graduates can’t talk themselves into jobs[/h] Maths and science graduates are victims of a dirigiste British education policy that fails both labour market and individual



Simon Jenkins

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‘Six-year-olds are more computer literate than grown-ups. They may need topping up with coding and security, but essentially they teach themselves.' Photograph: Voisin/Phanie Sarl/Corbis

Graduates in computer science are so inarticulate as to be unemployable. So says a consortium of prospective employers. The Higher Education Statistics Agency agrees. This week it put computing top for unemployability, along with maths, engineering and media studies. Students should switch from geek to chic.
Not a week passes without business complaining about the education system. In March the CBI demanded a crash course for women engineers. In April the British Chambers of Commerce said schools had “lost the vocational plot”. This week the Prince’s Trust reported half of businesses gave “skill inadequacies” as the chief curb on economic growth. Is there evidence for this, or is it what business always says?


Few experiences can be more detached from life than sitting silent in a classroom. The concept of “subjects”, like the methods of teaching and testing them, are little changed from a century ago. So, too, is the claim that those of strictly specialist use – maths or, previously, Latin – are to “train the mind”. Learning chunks of the Qur’an also trains the mind. But then Britain’s exam-obsessed schools can make a madrasa seem a liberal education.


The former education secretary Michael Gove’s job commitment was impressive. But his desire to take schools back to Victorian rote learning, traditional content and formal testing was archaic. It lacked any evidence base and appeared no more than a political comfort blanket. I regard today’s education as roughly where medicine was in the days of bleeding, cupping and purging. It awaits some massive intellectual breakthrough. Gove reminded me of the great American physician, Benjamin Rush, who bled American presidents to their deaths. His contemporaries never challenged him, for bleeding was “good enough for our forefathers”.


The nurture of a child’s mind remains a mystery. Hence the yearning of its serious practitioners to fashion it as a quantifiable science. The monastic church, long the custodian of education, fell back on rote and textual memory. It was easy to test. All forms of educational progressivism have terrified authoritarians, from Chinese communists to Muslim states, and to Britain’s own education department.


In the 50s and 60s the best and most widespread science education was in Soviet Russia. It got Russia first into space, but led on to social and political collapse. Meanwhile, the worst league-table performer in maths and science teaching was (and still is) the US. This paradox is inconvenient for the maths lobby, and so is ignored. Perish the thought that maths and science makes no difference to economic or any other performance.


One of the few pundits to call the lobby’s bluff is the British past president of the American Mathematical Association, Keith Devlin. Advocating that America reduce emphasis on classroom maths, if only to reduce “math phobia”, he noted: “There is something vaguely comical about the nation that leads the world in science and technology, and virtually dominates the world in the development of computer hardware and software, constantly lamenting the poor maths skills of its population.”


There is something equally bizarre in British ministers drooling over China’s dirigiste schools, as did Elizabeth Truss recently. They are hardly beacons of a liberal society. Since the days of Margaret Thatcher, the education system has shown a Soviet fixation with churning out more mathematicians and scientists, suborning even the BBC to shower them with celebrity. Yet Hesa figures persistently show science, maths and engineering graduates finding fewer jobs than historians, lawyers and educators. The market may ask for more science graduates, but it deplores their quality and fails to employ them. I remember one pharmaceutical firm complaining it had to retrain its chemistry recruits from the start. It preferred entrants with skills of imagination, articulacy and team work.
Twenty years ago ministers went potty about computer education. Billions were spent on it. We learned today from Ofcom that six-year-olds are more computer literate than grown-ups. They may need topping up with coding and security, but essentially they teach themselves. So why not spend school time helping them with what appears to be holding them back in the jobs market – and in life in general?


Having sat on innumerable interview panels, I groan as applicants with sound paper qualifications are painfully unable to present themselves in a group, speak well, write clearly, or show simple manners and charm. George Osborne may depict the only “real economy” as being manufacturing, but the days when you got a job by twisting a widget are over.


Two-thirds of new jobs are in services, notably the much-derided “hospitality sector”. They are about dealing with people. What help is a lonely exam paper or coding on a tablet in that? Indeed, what could be more important to young people than learning to live at peace with themselves and others? We have it all wrong. But try telling a British school that etiquette is more use than algebra.

Why computer science graduates can?t talk themselves into jobs | Simon Jenkins | Comment is free | The Guardian
 
dear prasadji
you are right about engg and IT graduates lacking the soft skills required in jobs in MNCs in competitive environment

many of these are going to top B schools which to some extent are changing and moulding them to suit the job market.

these are less than 1 percent of the workforce and they make it big.

the normal ones are good in assignments related to their work discipline but poor in inter personal and communication capabilities

recently there was huge furore bythose aspiring civil services regarding english proficiency

those with rural backgrounds are just unsuitable for gainful employment and are either unemployed or in menial jobs far below their academic background would warrant

the courses need to be broadbased to enable engrs and computer science guys /gals to develop these soft skills
 
dear prasadji
you are right about engg and IT graduates lacking the soft skills required in jobs in MNCs in competitive environment

many of these are going to top B schools which to some extent are changing and moulding them to suit the job market.

these are less than 1 percent of the workforce and they make it big.

the normal ones are good in assignments related to their work discipline but poor in inter personal and communication capabilities

recently there was huge furore bythose aspiring civil services regarding english proficiency

those with rural backgrounds are just unsuitable for gainful employment and are either unemployed or in menial jobs far below their academic background would warrant

the courses need to be broadbased to enable engrs and computer science guys /gals to develop these soft skills

Dear Krishji,

(Though you have addressed me incorrectly), I agree that in India too employability of engineering graduates is very low on account of soft skills..Also English communication skills are poor..The fight for Hindi is vote bank politics..How are we going to compete globally without English...English is sine qua non for India's success in global arena
 
Dear Krishji,

(Though you have addressed me incorrectly), I agree that in India too employability of engineering graduates is very low on account of soft skills..Also English communication skills are poor..The fight for Hindi is vote bank politics..How are we going to compete globally without English...English is sine qua non for India's success in global arena
vganeji
A thousand apologies for wrongly addressing.

shows Iam aging and making unable to distinguish even names

I have been under pressure remote managing some muddle relating to tenants.

reservation policies have lowered the standards of education.not only have academic standards diluted,softt skills are non existent

yet with all this many find their way abroad and manage to make a living.

duke of edinburgh husband of queen Elizabeth of england on seeing a bad electrical fitting commented that some indian electrician must have done the job

our indian jugaad in fixing things has reached UK.

our tourist guides with broken english seem to be doing fine escorting foreign tourists.

so I suppose ,indian engrs and computer specialists will also manage their way without english

I landed in france -paris and also south of france for 4 months once in late seventies to do a part english part french course . I used to keep mum

about what was going on during french lectures.

I learnt spoken french on the streets of southern france where no one knew english and I had to cope to shop for my daily needs.

over a period of time I did learn to manage.

engineering is more a way of thinking and very little knowledge. one learns to be a good engr by hit and trial by making mistakes and suffering a few

shocks[If you are trying to be an electrical engr .lol].

similarly computer fellows become system analysts and leave programming to the competent few

in india throughout seventies and early eighties most drifted to computer field without a formal degree in computer science and managed to get by

with higher level language programming with a short term crash course with the computer vendor

so every field could do with a lot of unprofessional work and many can drift thru life as third rate engr or computer specialists.lol
 
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vganeji
A thousand apologies for wrongly addressing.

shows Iam aging and making unable to distinguish even names

I have been under pressure remote managing some muddle relating to tenants.

reservation policies have lowered the standards of education.not only have academic standards diluted,softt skills are non existent

yet with all this many find their way abroad and manage to make a living.

duke of edinburgh husband of queen Elizabeth of england on seeing a bad electrical fitting commented that some indian electrician must have done the job

our indian jugaad in fixing things has reached UK.

our tourist guides with broken english seem to be doing fine escorting foreign tourists.

so I suppose ,indian engrs and computer specialists will also manage their way without english

I landed in france -paris and also south of france for 4 months once in late seventies to do a part english part french course . I used to keep mum

about what was going on during french lectures.

I learnt spoken french on the streets of southern france where no one knew english and I had to cope to shop for my daily needs.

over a period of time I did learn to manage.

engineering is more a way of thinking and very little knowledge. one learns to be a good engr by hit and trial by making mistakes and suffering a few

shocks[If you are trying to be an electrical engr .lol].

similarly computer fellows become system analysts and leave programming to the competent few

in india throughout seventies and early eighties most drifted to computer field without a formal degree in computer science and managed to get by

with higher level language programming with a short term crash course with the computer vendor

so every field could do with a lot of unprofessional work and many can drift thru life as third rate engr or computer specialists.lol

Krishji,

No problems..It happens if one is heavily engrossed! When one faces palpable tension!

You have given some example of sloppy work by techies...On the other hand an arts graduate has risen to be the head of Operations unit in a BPO unit recently...He is just 35 years old...It is possible only by gaining good soft skills..Communication skills, public speaking, team management and some basic analytical skills along with solid performance and client management did the trick

A technical guy without soft skills can be a programmer or Engineer but for raising the Corporate ladder soft skills are required significantly..This is the secret sauce
 
All other countries - japan, china, korea, germany, france have become global players without a working knowledge of english for decades. I have dealt with japanese, koreans, french, italians and germans all technical people with very limited level of english speaking/writing skills. If english exposure was not necessary in the eighties and two thousand, it is less important now with host of tools available for translation and transaction. Even marketing and service sector employ people with limited english skills. I have employed many engineers who were able to explain and answer in hindi, marathi or tamil when they could not do it in english. Of course there are jobs which need a good command of english, but for most othr jobs a smattering of english will be adequate.

All said, it is better to be multilingual for day to day tasks when one lives outside his native area.

.Also English communication skills are poor..The fight for Hindi is vote bank politics..How are we going to compete globally without English...English is sine qua non for India's success in global arena
 
All other countries - japan, china, korea, germany, france have become global players without a working knowledge of english for decades. I have dealt with japanese, koreans, french, italians and germans all technical people with very limited level of english speaking/writing skills. If english exposure was not necessary in the eighties and two thousand, it is less important now with host of tools available for translation and transaction. Even marketing and service sector employ people with limited english skills. I have employed many engineers who were able to explain and answer in hindi, marathi or tamil when they could not do it in english. Of course there are jobs which need a good command of english, but for most othr jobs a smattering of english will be adequate.

All said, it is better to be multilingual for day to day tasks when one lives outside his native area.

For technical jobs a smattering of English will be sufficient..If you want to be a Manager you should have soft skills too (esp English Communication)..Even Chinese are learning English big time now
 
Soft skills, communication skills and linguistic skills (in english) are different things. First two are necessary to convey and interact. Even management and board meetings are now done in a manipravalam style - mixture of english, hindi and marathi in big companies. You will find that even in english news channels, some panelists or interviewed slip into hindi often. My point is not to imply that english is not necessary, but command over english is not a necessary skill nowadays. Of course chinese, germans and french learn english, but that knowledge may not help, because indians and americans are learning their languages too. For them who have direct interaction, knowing the language will help, but for the majority not necessary.

Many expect modi to talk in hindi at the UN, because his diction, delivery, body language and commitment are better transmitted in hindi than in english.

By the way, the article is about UK. I grew up at a time when the mantra was - engineers have to be numerate, others can be literate. If I can blow my trumpet, my PhD thesis was approved without a single grammar, sentence or technical correction by a UK professor in a UK university.
 
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