Who is brahmanan

[sangom]

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thanks. added to my knowledge
at best I can be a Brahmabandu as the nomenclature appeals to me feeling like a Trishanku between heaven and earth
Those Brahmin traits and practices which do not meet the needs of 21st century require to be discarded
An order based on equality and gender justice needs to emerge
I am an arm chair marxist of indian seventies

Dear Shri krish44,

a brahmabandhu is not a non-brahmin, but he is a "fallen brahmana" who has just escaped banishment/ostracization from the brahmin community. For example, a 'brahma bandhu' should not be invited as a 'brahmana' for sraaddham nor should be associated with the cooking of the havis and items for the sraaddha meals.

What Smt. Renuka said about 'brahmabandhu' was just the definition part.

 

[renuka]

Dear Shri krish44,

a brahmabandhu is not a non-brahmin, but he is a "fallen brahmana" who has just escaped banishment/ostracization from the brahmin community. For example, a 'brahma bandhu' should not be invited as a 'brahmana' for sraaddham nor should be associated with the cooking of the havis and items for the sraaddha meals.

What Smt. Renuka said about 'brahmabandhu' was just the definition part.

Dear Sangom ji,

The very reason I quoted the text was to highlight the same point you brought up..that is a Non Practicing Brahmin does NOT become a Non Brahmin.

Cos most people think that if a Brahmin does not follow his life style he becomes a Non Brahmin.

A reject of one Varna does not become another Varna.

 

[sravna]

Per Ayurveda, a person who consumes mushrooms, onion, garlic, wine, and enjoys the pleasures of the flesh belongs to the tamas guna. Wonder which guna I fall under since I do not consider any of these wrong..

Dear Shri ashwin_ash,

Not considering pleasures wrong is one thing but being immersed in pleasures is another thing. I too do not consider any of the above wrong but I consider myself sattvic because I am not addicted to any of the above.

 

[sangom]

Being born in a brahmin family ,many believe gives them the previlege to decide whether some belonging to other castes/religions can be admitted into their fold based on their food preferances and other behavioural traits and confer a title belonging to their community on them to say you are one of us. Hindu brahmins consider themself to be most holy with all the goodness in them and they look down on everyone else. It comes naturally to them . Hinduism has great capacity for absorption . Jains,buddhists have become part of the hindu religion and hindus have treated mahavira and buddha as avathars of God. Sikhs have escaped this fate so far. Muslims and christians are more rigid and do not tolerate the hindu appraoch. muslims/christians are marginilised communities in india Their fate is likely to get worse if a certain party gets political power

Dear Shri krish44,

I agree with you in that "brahmins consider themself to be most holy with all the goodness in them and they look down on everyone else."

I presume you were born in 1944 and so your experiences have been mostly of the post-Independence period when the stronghold of caste was fast becoming weaker in the hindu society. But you will be surprised to know that even in government schools (not the high-end convents and private managed schools) a puny little brahmin boy could thrash a well-built low caste boy and yet the latter would not hit back due to the reverence for "brahmins" and the fear of a curse from a brahmana. (This was told to me by my elder cousins who were ten or more years elder to myself. That was the sway which the "brahmin" label once had.

Buddha was first co-opted as an avataara by Jayadeva in his ashTapadee, but till recently our brahmin folks were reluctant to concede this status to Siddhartha Gowthama, the Sakya prince; our pravachanakaaras were often heard interpreting the word "buddha" in the geethagovinda as meaning 'people with developed intellects' and things like that.

As regards Jains, though the word "RUSHABHA" occurs in some puranas, Jainism has not been accepted as part of hinduism just as buddhism has also not been so far accepted. May be today tabras are intermarrying with buddhists and jains but that is only inter-religious marriage.

 

[renuka]

Dear Shri ashwin_ash,

Not considering pleasures wrong is one thing but being immersed in pleasures is another thing. I too do not consider any of the above wrong but I consider myself sattvic because I am addicted to any of the above.

Dear Sravna,

There is a typo in your post..I think you wanted to convey you are NOT addicted.

BTW here you are clearly stating that you consider yourself Sattva..so why did you not want to answer my question about Guna Varna?

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

There is a typo in your post..I think you wanted to convey you are NOT addicted.

BTW here you are clearly stating that you consider yourself Sattva..so why did you not want to answer my question about Guna Varna?

Dear Renuka,

Yes that's a typo. I did not answer the question because the purpose of the question is how to classify into a varna for which I felt self assessment would not be very helpful. If you really want to know my self assessment or at least my aspiration, I would want to imbibe if possible, the good features of all the varnas. The wisdom and compassion of sattva, the intelligence and valor of a rajas , and the shrewdness of a rajo-tamas.

Don't call that as anniyan!

 

[krish44]

Dear Sangom ji,

The very reason I quoted the text was to highlight the same point you brought up..that is a Non Practicing Brahmin does NOT become a Non Brahmin.

Cos most people think that if a Brahmin does not follow his life style he becomes a Non Brahmin.

A reject of one Varna does not become another Varna.

Great i am relieved That I need not go to shraadh and cook anything . suits me fine. so only bramabandhu without any other Varna
It is like ashok chakra grade awards with different stripes .LOL

 

[renuka]

Don't call that as anniyan!

Dear Sravna,

Actually the Movie Anniyan is also about Gunas.

Ambi is Sattva

Remo is Rajas

Anniyan is Tamas.

So to a certain extent we humans are Multiple Guna Disorder!LOL

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

Actually the Movie Anniyan is also about Gunas.

Ambi is Sattva

Remo is Rajas

Anniyan is Tamas.

So to a certain extent we humans are Multiple Guna Disorder!LOL

Dear Renuka,

I want it to be a multiple guna order and definitely not a disorder!

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I want it to be a multiple guna order and definitely not a disorder!

Dear Sravna,

Its a Disorder cos you see if all Gunas are in Order as in equilibrium..even Creation and Saguna Brahman would not exists!

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

Its a Disorder cos you see if all Gunas are in Order as in equilibrium..even Creation and Saguna Brahman would not exists!

Dear Renuka,

For creation and bondage there has to be disorder but the only way for salvation is order.

 

[zebra16]

This canard that somehow good character defines who a Brahmin is, is so ingrained that even otherwise nice and reasonable people seem to accept it in a kind of default way. I beseech these otherwise reasonable folks to stop for a moment and think about what they are saying. If good character defines Brahmins, then what defines a Shudra? Folks, I am not your enemy, all I want to be is a witness to your conscience, and if that is presumptuous of me I apologize.

It is presumptuous to sit atop Eiffel Tower donning Sigmund Freud shoes and start asking others to scratch their conscience, dig deeper etc and acting as a super conscience keeper, request for apology notwithstanding. This attitude comes from ingrained self conceit that the poster knows more about others than they know about themselves.

The point in question was whether Wahab Saheb accepted the "Iyer" tag as a compliment or thought it was condescending. The narrator and the hearers of the episode need not have to certify whether it was complimentary or uncomplimentary.

 

[Raji Ram]

Now I feel sad for dragging the nice friendship of my dad with Wahab Ji in this thread!

My their souls pardon me! :hail:

 

[renuka]

It is presumptuous to sit atop Eiffel Tower donning Sigmund Freud shoes and start asking others to scratch their conscience, dig deeper etc and acting as a super conscience keeper, request for apology notwithstanding. This attitude comes from ingrained self conceit that the poster knows more about others than they know about themselves.

The point in question was whether Wahab Saheb accepted the "Iyer" tag as a compliment or thought it was condescending. The narrator and the hearers of the episode need not have to certify whether it was complimentary or uncomplimentary.

Dear Zebra ji,

I dont know why..but I feel Nara ji is being misunderstood here.

The fact remains is if we try to give a caste pseudonym to anyone else who is not of our caste becos we feel he or she displays favorable qualities that only goes to show that we did not feel his/her caste is capable of having such an individual.

I think that was what Nara ji was trying to convey...wonder why no one is reading his post like how I am reading.

Now let me put a question like this..would it be a compliment to an Upper caste Hindu if a Dalit would give the upper caste a Dalit tag?? Wont all hell break loose? Even the upper caste that does not practice his Svadharma would get real mad I am pretty sure.

In this no world one needs compliments or insults..just mutual respect would do.

Best example was when Mandela died..many Indians were calling him the Gandhi of South Africa..tell me was that fair? Mandela did not have to be Gandhi to be acknowledged..he was great in his own right.

 

[krish44]

It is presumptuous to sit atop Eiffel Tower donning Sigmund Freud shoes and start asking others to scratch their conscience, dig deeper etc and acting as a super conscience keeper, request for apology notwithstanding. This attitude comes from ingrained self conceit that the poster knows more about others than they know about themselves.

The point in question was whether Wahab Saheb accepted the "Iyer" tag as a compliment or thought it was condescending. The narrator and the hearers of the episode need not have to certify whether it was complimentary or uncomplimentary.

zebra16 who is better Conscience keeping Atheist or Godmen of doubtful credentials.Toss a coin and decide if you cannot make up your mind

 

[krish44]

Now I feel sad for dragging the nice friendship of my dad with Wahab Ji in this thread!

My their souls pardon me! :hail:

RRji I pity you .you seem to have provoked a caste war by making innocent comment about your dad and wahabji .may their souls rest
in peace

 

[ashwin_ash]

Dear Zebra ji,

I dont know why..but I feel Nara ji is being misunderstood here.

The fact remains is if we try to give a caste pseudonym to anyone else who is not of our caste becos we feel he or she displays favorable qualities that only goes to show that we did not feel his/her caste is capable of having such an individual.

I think that was what Nara ji was trying to convey...wonder why no one is reading his post like how I am reading.

Now let me put a question like this..would it be a compliment to an Upper caste Hindu if a Dalit would give the upper caste a Dalit tag?? Wont all hell break loose? Even the upper caste that does not practice his Svadharma would get real mad I am pretty sure.

In this no world one needs compliments or insults..just mutual respect would do.

Best example was when Mandela died..many Indians were calling him the Gandhi of South Africa..tell me was that fair? Mandela did not have to be Gandhi to be acknowledged..he was great in his own right.

Doctor, forget Brahmin Dalit yada yada.. there's this universal tonic binding all castes, creeds, colors, races, religions, even animals.. some call it whisky, some vodka, some beer, some wine, some absinthe, some rum.. this universal equalizer is basically alcohol.. even the "gods" love it!

 

[Vaagmi]

post#29 and 30:

You may wonder whatever your mind is capable of, I don't care. Mrs. RR, a fine and gentle woman she is, said something that had an unsavory subtext. All I did was shine a light on it. If she thinks I was out of line, let her say so, and I will deal with her, you can go and jump in the nearest lake or pond you can find, LOL....

This canard that somehow good character defines who a Brahmin is, is so ingrained that even otherwise nice and reasonable people seem to accept it in a kind of default way. I beseech these otherwise reasonable folks to stop for a moment and think about what they are saying. If good character defines Brahmins, then what defines a Shudra? Folks, I am not your enemy, all I want to be is a witness to your conscience, and if that is presumptuous of me I apologize.

RR madam,

You should never be proud of being a brahmin. There is no heritage/culture/unique traits which are worth feeling proud of for a brahmin. If you say anything bordering on such an appreciation of a brahmin trait/desirable quality of a brahmin/brahmin culture or heritage, people here will read cleverly a sub-text in it and haul you through the coal. Such simple pleasures of ordinary human beings are certainly not for brahmins. People will go to the extent of asking you to rummage through your conscience and come up with an excuse for what you said. Things like this and "oh that US girl came into our family as d-in law: come markazhy, everyday morning she recites thiruppavai like a brahmin girl" are all a strict no no to a brahmin. The entire US may go up in fire to singe India. Khobragade may be arrested again and put in jail for a 120 years.

The high priests of the forum will declare you a tankaiah and hound you out. Be careful. LOL.

 

[sravna]

post#29 and 30:



RR madam,

You should never be proud of being a brahmin. There is no heritage/culture/unique traits which are worth feeling proud of for a brahmin. If you say anything bordering on such an appreciation of a brahmin trait/desirable quality of a brahmin/brahmin culture or heritage, people here will read cleverly a sub-text in it and haul you through the coal. Such simple pleasures of ordinary human beings are certainly not for brahmins. People will go to the extent of asking you to rummage through your conscience and come up with an excuse for what you said. Things like this and "oh that US girl came into our family as d-in law: come markazhy, everyday morning she recites thiruppavai like a brahmin girl" are all a strict no no to a brahmin. The entire US may go up in fire to singe India. Khobragade may be arrested again and put in jail for a 120 years.

The high priests of the forum will declare you a tankaiah and hound you out. Be careful. LOL.

Nice post

 

[renuka]

Dear Krish ji,

I remember when I was young aged some 12- 13 my mum used to tell us stories about the greatness of Hindus etc and I listened to her even when she used to say unproven stuff like the Mayans of South America were actually from India(this is still subject to controversy)

So you see at the age I believed what ever she said but surprisingly when she told this same stuff to my son who is aged 13 now..he called her a racists!

He said "how can you think like a racists that only we Indians are the greatest and totally disregard the the greatness of any other civilization?"

So you see mindset has changed..never mess with a teen of this era.