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Valmiki in Tamil Sangam Literature

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Sangam Tamil Literature has several poets with Sanskrit names. Mostly they are Hindu God names. The British rulers who followed the policy of divide and rule coined some artificial words like Dravidian and Aryan. Of these two words Aryan is known from the days of Rig Veda and Dravidian from very late stages of Indian literary history. But both the words had no racial meaning in which the scholars use them today. The scholars only have given them racial connotation. Because of this distorted picture, everything in history was written with a bias. But those who read Sanskrit and Tamil literature will find more similarities than differences in the Indian culture.


Every country, every culture has regional differences which are normal and superficial. There is no place in the world without such differences. Tamils of ancient Tamil Nadu had so many differences in the five different land divisions known as Kurinji, Mullai, Marutham, Neithal and Palai. These were natural. The three kingdoms fought among themselves for 2000 years without stopping. But nobody interpreted them as enemies of one race or another.


Hindu customs, Sanskrit words, Hindu Gods, Sanskrit proper names are in every ancient Tamil book. Kanchi Paramacharya has pointed out the unity in thought beautifully well in one of his lectures. He pointed out that there are very pure Tamil words for all the Sanskrit words from very ancient times : (Yagam= Velvi, Brahmin=Anthanar, Veda= Marai, River Jamuna= Thozunai etc.). So there is no wonder that there were poets with Sanskrit names in ancient Tamil Nadu. I have pointed out that Brahmins contributed one third of Sangam Literature in my post ‘’NO BRAHMINS, NO TAMIL’’.
Sanskrit names found in the Sangam Tamil literature sound very interesting. When they give the name of a Brahmin poet they give the Gotra name as well. We can understand the reason for it. Same name is used by many poets and to differentiate them either town name or the Gotra name was used.
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Following are some of the SANSKRIT names of Tamil Poets:

Damodaran, Kesavan, Vishnu Dasan (Vinnanthayan), Kamakshi (Kamak Kanni), Maha Devan (Maathevanar), Kausika (Kosikan), Kapila (very pouplar Rishi’s name), Parana (Parana is a Gotra name),Nagaraja (Mudinaagaraayar),Maha Sastha (Maasaaththan), Lochana(ulochanar), Bhutapandya, Krishna (Kannan), Arudra (Aththirai), Kumara (kumaranar), Gauthama (Gothamanar), Sanga Varunan, Rudra (Nalluruththiranar), Nagas (at least 20 names with Naga as surname)Brahma (piramanar), Brahma Dutt ( Yaz piramathaththan), Uthra (Uththiraiyar), Maha Chitra (perumsiththiranar), Maha Padma (perumpathumanar), Atreya, Kavya (kappiynaar) Yagna Acharya (Velaasaan), Beri Sastha. (This is not an exhaustive list. This is only a sample. More in my post ‘’No Brahmins, No Tamil’’.


Tamil kings performed Rajasuya, Asvamedha and Soamyaga (Avvaiyar attended the Rajasuya Yagna and praised the Tamil unity which was very rare. Kalidasa praised Pandyan king’s (probably Mudukudumi Peru Vazuthi’s ) Asvamedha Yangna indirectly by referring to Avabrudha Snana. Peruvazuthi coins have been discovered with Yupa pillar and horse/Asva.
Tamil Epic Silappadikaram has Gopalan (Kovalan), Madhavi, Maha Nayak (Maanayakan), Maha Shastha (Maasaaththan),Parasaran, Dakshinamoorthy etc.


Of these names, the word Valmiki (written as Vanmeekanar) raised the eye brows of many a scholar. The most famous Valmiki was the author of Ramayana in Sanskrit. From Sanskrit poet Kalidas to Tamil poet Kamban, all praised him as the Adi Kavi (meaning the original poet, the first poet). He gave the most interesting epic Ramayana in the simplest language. Many people learnt Sanskrit just by studying Valmiki Ramayana.


Hindus knew the story of original Valmiki- the robber turned poet-saint. The best example for the English saying ‘’every sinner has a future and every saint had a past’’. But who is this Tamil Valmiki (Vanmeekan) mentioned in the oldest part of Sangam literature? He was the author of verse 358 in Pura Nanauru which is a collection of 400 verses. Purananuru is like an encyclopaedia of Tamil culture. We knew a lot about the Tamil life 2000 years ago through the commentaries on the 400 verses (a few verses were lost).


Who was Tamil Valmiki?
Vanmikam in Sanskrit means ant hill. This robber turned saint did penance for a long time and ant hill grew over him and he got the name Valmiki. His original name was Prachedas. We have this name associated with several saints with the same experience of long penance and ants building a hill over them. Gods in several Shiva temples had his name in Tamil Nadu. Vanmeekanathar is found in Tiruvarur, Sankarankoil, Kudavasal, Kancheepuram, Thiruvetriyur and Valmiki Samadhi (grave) in Ettukkudi. Every temple had its own story of that particular Valmiki. Slowly priests and tourist guides or Sthala Puranas (Local Temple History) identified them with the most famous Valmiki.
My research shows that Valmiki was a Gotra (clan) name like Agastya, Kausika, Kavya, Atreya and other seers. Research scholars report 20+ Vyasas, 6 Avvaiyars, 2 or 3 Kapilas, Paranas etc. It is not uncommon. We find kings names in plenty like Ramses, Alexander, Vikramaditya, Rajendra, Ptolemy, Sri Maran, Veera Pandya, Vikrama Pandya. These names were repeated umpteen times in history.

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Valmiki Gotra
The following note was copied by me on 5[SUP]th[/SUP] May 2002 from the book ‘’Retrieval of History from Puranic Myths’’ by P.L.Bhargava (available at SOAS Library, University of London):
“Pravaradhyaya of the ancient Baudhayana Srauta Sutra (800 to 400 BC) mentions Valmiki as a Gotra in the Vatsa Paksha of the family of Bhrgu. This name thus could be borne by other persons of this gotra and this is proved by the fact that we learn from the Taitriya Pratisakhya of a Phoenician Valmiki who was different from the famous poet Valmiki.’’


So I think the author of Puram 358 verse was a seer cum poet of this Gotra. He was very religious and he praised penance sky high. Penance or ascetic life is greater than house holder’s life. He adds that Goddess Sri (Lakshmi) always stays with those who sacrificed everything. She would not stick to those who have desires. The wealth he is talking about is the spiritual wealth. Talking about the impermanence of the world, he said that this earth had seven kings within a single day.
The name Valmiki always commands respect. Now the riddle of Tamil Valmiki is solved.
 

Srimadhan

Active member
London Sir

Thank you very much for your detailed post of Valmiki Rishi. Would like to add some information I have on this.

Thiruvanmiyur in Chennai as you know is a very famous place enroute to ECR. This can be split as Thiru + Valmiki + Ur (place) or in a simple manner i.e the place where valmiki resides. The Saint Valmiki's temple is in the main road i.e The road is separted to give place of this temple. This is also said to be the Jeeva Samadhi of Valmiki. This temple is adjacent to Marundeeswarar temple. The Valimiki temple's key is in the Marundeeswarar Temple.

Valmiki has also visited the Thiruneermalai temple and other temples in Chennai.

Please visit the temple be blessed with his grace

Regards
Srimadhan
 

sangom

Well-known member
Dear Shri LS,

DramiLa is a word appearing in Mahabharata itself and not a late entrant as you seem to hold.

Again, you say: Brahmins contributed one third of Sangam Literature in my post ‘’NO BRAHMINS, NO TAMIL’’. But do we know that we have today the entire Cangam literature? When we find even ordinary agriculturists among those Cangam poets, how can we be sure that in the portions of Cangam literature which has been irretrievably lost, the NB compositions did not overshadow the contribution of Bs?

Balmikis of UP claim to belong to the tribe of Ratnakaran or valmiki and they hold that the sage lived near Bithoor, a place near Lucknow. This looks more probable than the thiruvanmiyur legend.
 
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london swaminathan

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Dear Srimadhan

Thanks for adding information about Tiruvanmiyur. I have read about Tiruvanmiyur. But it did not strike to me, when I wrote the post. I dont know how I missed this vital information.
 
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london swaminathan

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Dear Sangom

Thanks for the comments.
I myself wrote a post titled '' Dravidian Queen (1320 BC) in North India'' and then quoted this again in ''Biggest Brainwash in the world''. That is one reading, some scholarsdid not agree with it and read it as Idavrida or Ilavruta

The latest redaction of the Mahabharata also is dated in the early centuries before Christ. But no racial connotation. Dravida denoted south and Aryan denoted north, saints on the Himalayas, Lord Shiva (devotional period), cultured etc. In Tamil literature Dravida was used very very late. But the word Aryan is found in Sangam Tamil literature in seven places.

About others' contribution, it may be higher or lower than the Brahmins. But we go by the statistics from the available materials only. I have never underestimated or belittled others' contribution.My posts mainly refute the propaganda that Brahmins were alien to Tamil culture, Brahmins came from foreign lands, Brahmins introduced Yaga cult and newer gods. All the gods including the village gods and goddesses are already on Sanskrit scriptures or in North India.

Information about Valmiki tribes is interesting. We need to do more research.

In another blog, Jayshree saranathan has written Valmiki was a tamil poet. I dont agree. My point it is a Gotra name ( like Kapya=Tol Kappiyar= Kavya= usanas kavi of RV).
 
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