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To the younger generation on this forum: Do you prefer following the Neo-Vedanta version of Hinduism versus the orthodox version?

Mani_Chennai

Active member
This is a fairly common scene in Chennai and possibly in other progressive societies in India.

Three friends A, B and C go to an ice cream bar and order 3 cones - chocolate, butterscotch and strawberry. A licks the chocolate cone a few times and then passes it to B who does the same with the butterscotch before passing it to C who completes the cycle by passing his/ her cone to A. The cycle repeats for as long as there is some ice cream left.

I did not have an orthodox upbringing but I get a deep feeling of revulsion merely seeing this. I feel the (traditional) observance of Echchal makes all the more sense in these modern times.
Historically in our younger days, we will bite a mango or something putting a cloth over it , bite and pass on the rest. This was called Kaakkaai kadi. Do you recall on your marriage day, both of you exchanged food from each others mouth ? You feel feed because the people were not sharing solid things like mango pieces etc. So, if the participant do not fedl bad, outsiders have no right to comment on it. For example, you have the right to say, sorry I am not into it. I said once to a family that I will not the dhal because they put the spoon in it after sucking on it to taste the dhal. They understood and I ate other things. Problem solved. But within their family it was OK. Mother use to feed a bite from her food to her child and we have no right to object to it. Each family has own standards. In an Iyengar's marriage, the house lady told me, De, put a red central namam and eat. She really loved me even though I was not an Iyengar. When the food distributor asked me, are you vadagalai or Thenkalai, I said I am nadukkali and he went away. But he dispersed kootu with his hand (that was not solid banana curry, rather liquid type), so I discarded. I did not make a big deal about it.

My point is all are God's children and your values are in no way above their values as long as it is abusive in nature.

But you have the right to feel the way you fell, but sharing is not your right as it amounts you are expecting affirmation form others about your irrational view.

Do you wash spoons and forks when offered as a guest before using them?
 

Mani_Chennai

Active member
I was simply answering another person's question about "youngster" and re-iterated why I made this post. I have read through the responses.

Also, why the hostility? I think you and I actually may have a very similar mental wavelength in the context of this forum, so there is no need to create any bad blood.
He had said he is a old timer, thus when he can not give logically correct or alternative possible explanation, he will label others. It seems that this his forum but operated from USA- may be an illusion?
 

100and9

Member
I don't believe that there is an 'end to the Vedas' or a summation of all knowledge available to those of us still in the cycle of Karma. There isn't one single orthodox version of Hinduism either to pin as a single path.

Kind of what makes Hinduism special is that the religion is like an avial or a buffet. I can mix Idlis with Achar or pick an Ishtadeva or Mantram. Of course, there are orthodox groups who have a strict way of life, but fortunately my family is of a more flexible background. I can do an hour long journey up [Kalinchowk] and find magic in the Gauri Shankar Himalayan Mountains or find [the sacred scroll] in the music of a foreigner.

I can invoke [Agni] in an elevated thought, and [Apas] in a daily bath. All acts become Ritual with an elevated mindset.

Ancient hermits perhaps sought solace in the wilderness for this very reason. Away from Corona Virus and into True Coronation; and this where True Sruti seeps from the Waters into one's voice of reason.

I can see [Shivama:] in [Om] or [The Ankh]
 

Mani_Chennai

Active member
I don't believe that there is an 'end to the Vedas' or a summation of all knowledge available to those of us still in the cycle of Karma. There isn't one single orthodox version of Hinduism either to pin as a single path.

Kind of what makes Hinduism special is that the religion is like an avial or a buffet. I can mix Idlis with Achar or pick an Ishtadeva or Mantram. Of course, there are orthodox groups who have a strict way of life, but fortunately my family is of a more flexible background. I can do an hour long journey up [Kalinchowk] and find magic in the Gauri Shankar Himalayan Mountains or find [the sacred scroll] in the music of a foreigner.

I can invoke [Agni] in an elevated thought, and [Apas] in a daily bath. All acts become Ritual with an elevated mindset.

Ancient hermits perhaps sought solace in the wilderness for this very reason. Away from Corona Virus and into True Coronation; and this where True Sruti seeps from the Waters into one's voice of reason.

I can see [Shivama:] in [Om] or [The Ankh]
A nice observation.

Hinduism caters to every group of people and allow them to imagine GOD as per their views - from Baby Krishna to Dancer Mahadeva. This must have evolved over a period centuries and since written documentations were not available, we use the last available sources. But if you remove the layers of rituals, algorithms(methods), medicine (Ayurveda), divinity assigned to every thing in nature like removing the lotus petals, we finally find the lotus seeds(which when ground and taken cures piles - Patti vaidiyam). All these multiplicity might have evolved with isolated communities due to almost impossible travel, these methods thrived and protected nature too. So, the names may change but the basic decency created in Hinduism will survive with new forms and methods.

But, the West is slowly seeing the science behind our systems, which unfortunately we do not indulge in.

Indians in general are rushing towards monetary independence while the West is looking at us for spiritual independence. They try every thing via science which is incomplete at first.

Sarvam shivamayam jagat is a very useful formula to understand the world. But in India we are slowly looking at them at the face value rather than seeking the hidden meaning.

The proverb “ house plant curry leaves (karuvepilai) has no value until we are forced to buy it outside” is true. By seeing GOD in every thing and everywhere, one gains faith and expectation for a better tomorrow. Russians ( a few) had Indian wedding and see marriage as a sacred union of Shiva and Parvathi or Vishnu and Laxmi (that is why the groom is said to be “Mahavishnu swarupasya..).



Let us hope another Vivekananda will appear to rejuvenate Hinduism as generations assumes things and get lost in search of happiness in other places.
 

kamu

Member
After going through the item #18 of Shri Prasad, I was seeing
the serial 'Bhagyalakshmi' in Vijay TV where I observed that in
a birthday party after cake cutting ,one big piece from that is exchanged among members ,each one biting out a bit from it and enjoying it. Even in public places like a restaurant I have seen people sharing food item from the same bowl .The
children also follow similar practice. Soucham is important
and best learned at home .Whatever good practices we want to pass on to our youngsters should be followed by parents at home. Charity begins at home.
soucham - is very important - with the "social distancing", washing hands frequently, no handshakes, haven't we all learnt that what we should have been following is more hygiene oriented than anything else - like wise, the aspect of keeping women away during their menstruation : its because, there are magnetic forces, which we have not understood so far, which will clash when a women in her periods comes in contact with another person might affect her as well as the other person [ and it does so too - there are books which tell you why she should keep away from temples during those days - I dont mean the ritualistic ones but written by serious authors like Aravindan Neelakandan ]. Ramakrishna Mission, Chinmaya mission also tell you about these. Less said about the ways of the Christian and Muslim clergy the better.
The Sankaracharya Mataathipathis are all so very concerned about the absolutely strict adherence to the letter of all the rituals , that they have not moved with the times - Yes, Sri Chandrasekarendra Saraswati was definitely a very great sage, extremely knowledgeable in all the Vedas and Sastras, even knew what was going on and sometimes what is going to happen, and is revered by a whole lot of people as their Guru, if not an avataram of Siva or Adi Sankara himself . But again, his refusing to give prasadam to unshorn widows who came to see him out of their bhakti for him, while not refusing audience to Indira Gandhi or the Queen Mother of Greece - though of course they sat on the other side of a well - is somewhat off putting. I will be slammed for saying all this, but people have to make up their minds what they want - that's the greatness of our Sanatana Dharma
 

kamu

Member
Yes
They may not be wrong. It is the true translation of the mahavakya.
Aham Brahamsmi.
I am not there yet.

Are you talking about Chandrasekhara Saraswati? At least in the USA, he is worshipped by some orthodox Brahmins as a God with the same zeal that Christians worship Jesus.
yes - he is revered and worshipped in India too - of course, he was extremely well read - had an eidetic memory, many times knew what the other person even faraway thought [ thought/mind reading to put it simplistically], and was able to manifest himself in more than one place at the sametime [ there's proof of this] - but his adherence to some of the rituals like not giving prasadam to unshorn widows [while an audience to Indira Gandhi or the Queen Mother of Greece was possible ] was definitely off putting.
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
Its so weird that acharyas who should be knowing well that the human body is temporary and the atma is eternal..that too its a projection of the Universal Atma yet they feel the presence of a widow is not something which should be seen with hair on their head or considered auspicious enough to receive prasadam.

This itself shows that one is still in the realm of the body.
So how to actually accept their pearls of wisdom otherwise?
How enlightening can it be when its coming from a receptacle that hasnt moved beyond the physical reality?

God knows and only God knows best.
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
Yes



yes - he is revered and worshipped in India too - of course, he was extremely well read - had an eidetic memory, many times knew what the other person even faraway thought [ thought/mind reading to put it simplistically], and was able to manifest himself in more than one place at the sametime [ there's proof of this] - but his adherence to some of the rituals like not giving prasadam to unshorn widows [while an audience to Indira Gandhi or the Queen Mother of Greece was possible ] was definitely off putting.
Yes, being omnipresent is a siddha power that many saints have and also yogis and some mystics of the Middle East.
 
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