Dear Sureshkumar,வணக்கம்,
சிரார்த்தம் செய்ய உகந்த நேரம் எது? சில பேர் சொல்வது பகல் 9 மணிக்கு மேல். இன்னும் சில பேர் சொல்வது பகல் 11 .30 மணிக்கு மேல் செய்ய வேண்டும் என்று? இதில் எது சரியானது? சான்றோர்கள் விளக்கம் சொல்ல வேண்டுகிறேன்.
அன்புடன்
சுரேஷ் குமார்
I am illiterate on this But I am told that 'venpattu' should not be worn while doing theertha tharpanam etc.When we are doing tharpanam as part of shrardham how this is possible.please clear my doubt.திரு சுரேஷ் குமார் அவர்களே,
உசிஷ்டம் தேவ நிர்மால்யம்
ரஜதம் ஸ்வேத பர்ப்படம்
ஸ்ரார்த்தே சப்த பவித்ராணி
தௌஹித்ரா குதபஸ் தில
என்று ஒரு ஸ்லோகம் உள்ளது. அதாவது ஸ்ரார்தத்துக்கு ஏழு அவசியங்கள் உள்ளன. அவை புதிதாகக் கறந்த பால், கங்கை நீர், வெள்ளி, வெண்பட்டு, பெண்வயிற்றுப் பேரன், குதப காலம் மற்றும் எள். இந்த ச்லோகத்தின்படிப் பார்த்தால் ஸ்ரார்த்தம் குதப காலத்தில் அதாவது பத்தரை மணிக்கு மேல் தான் செய்ய வேண்டும். இந்த விளக்கம் உங்களுடைய சந்தேகத்தை தீர்த்துவைக்கும் என்று நம்புகிறேன்.
I am illiterate on this But I am told that 'venpattu' should not be worn while doing theertha tharpanam etc.When we are doing tharpanam as part of shrardham how this is possible.please clear my doubt.
Ven pattu not to wear but should be given to the 2 sastrigals who are taking food there. On those days they will invite sister's son or any other relatives for srardham as all brahmins will not go to work in offices and should not do any busuness. and also no facilities to go abroad or to far off places.
The Time to perform Shrardham is normally after 11.30AM , which ideally is the Madhyanika kalam . This is the ideal time as per shastras , however with modern day living conditions like office pressures , knowlegde of cooking as applicable to shrardham , availability of Vadhyar etc , things have changed and it depends on an individual as to how serious he is. Acutually Shrardham refers to shraddha i.e dedication but unfortunately now a days all karta's have sufficient time and energy for every thing else in life ( specifically applies to Iyers), however when it comes to devoting a day or 2 days in an year ( assuming that mother and father are dead ) people give all sorts of reason and in a cut short manner perform a Hiranya Shrardham ( many people even do not remember the thithi also) and buzz off to work . ) A joke to enjoy on the time for shraardham .No one to be affended. only for jokesake.A proverb 'thasildar athu shrardham pola'It goes like that.In those days of British rule Most thashildars are brahmihns.One such Thashildar has asked the vathiar to come very early in the morning for performing shrardham.Vathiyar was ready.Thashildar has returned from night works belatedly.The shrardham started The RDO has sent a message.The thashildar is restless and asks the vathiyar to be precise.There was some trouble in his area The police officer ask for his advice.
He hears that the Collector is also to visit his place.With all that he asks the vathiyar to perfom the shradham himself and runs for his duty.
A clarification to my post itself .I got the answer from one Jadavallabar . Generally we use venpattu for performing devapooja. We dont wash it.Beause when it is drenched in water it loses its purity (MADI) So we want to be more careful that water is not allowed tobe springled on that knowingly or unknowingly.That is the reason we are not using Venpattu during doing tharpanam,Taking food ,and while answering nature's call.I am illiterate on this But I am told that 'venpattu' should not be worn while doing theertha tharpanam etc.When we are doing tharpanam as part of shrardham how this is possible.please clear my doubt.
Only sastrigals and the kartha's family can take srardha samayal, others should not take pithru sesham and so they will never come. bachlors are used to sit in vishnu elai meals daughter or daughter's are eligible to take meals in vishnu elai.
Dear Wrongan ji,
I think it is correct as you said, but in custom I think this has been changed and stopped with karthas and gnathis and sahagothras. Anyhow, what I personally feel is only the karthas and gnathis have the rights to eat that also since they are the one involved in the karma and also in one or other way related to the respective pithru. How the sesham should be shared then with near and dear who does not have any sort of even knowing about the respective pithru?? I think this should be clarified even better to know it fully.
Pranams
What Shri Durgadasan states seems to be the present prevailing practice (sagOtra not sahagotrA). But the ancient smritis allowed a different practice, as may be seen from the following extract of The History of Dharmasastra by Mahamahopadhyaya Dr. P.V. Kane in the section dealing with "SrAddha":Dear Wrongan ji,
I think it is correct as you said, but in custom I think this has been changed and stopped with karthas and gnathis and sahagothras. Anyhow, what I personally feel is only the karthas and gnathis have the rights to eat that also since they are the one involved in the karma and also in one or other way related to the respective pithru. How the sesham should be shared then with near and dear who does not have any sort of even knowing about the respective pithru?? I think this should be clarified even better to know it fully.
Pranams
Shri Soundararajan,...
I am sure various efforts are being made in this area and it is better these facilities are made known to the users attractively and the facilities made use of by the users fully.
It is suggested that places like this, may provide maximum facilities including vaidheegals, mami for cooking (A to Z in the conduct of a sradhdham) at nominal cost. There need to be qualitative and quantitative improvements in offering these services. Infact, this is a very great community service.
Shri Soundararajan,
I do not consider that spending a little more, once or twice a year, on Sraddhams is unaffordable to the majority of the members here. Hence it is alright even if the cook and vaideekars are charging reasonably well. I would on the contrary suggest that there can be subsidised rates for those who are unable to afford the regular charges and this may be cross-subsidised from the rest.
After all it was mainly due to the reluctance on the part of tambrams to pay more for vaideekans that many left that field. We must remember that also.
Having said all these, it is worthy to note that the Dharmasastras do not consider the cooking done by some member outside the family, as in order. They allow the performer of the Sraaddham, his wife, daughter-in-law etc., to cook the food for the 'brahmanas'; others are not allowed and such a Sraaddham - where others cook the food for being served to the brahmanas - does not seem to be valid as per the Dharmasastras!
Having said all these, it is worthy to note that the Dharmasastras do not consider the cooking done by some member outside the family, as in order. They allow the performer of the Sraaddham, his wife, daughter-in-law etc., to cook the food for the 'brahmanas'; others are not allowed and such a Sraaddham - where others cook the food for being served to the brahmanas - does not seem to be valid as per the Dharmasastras!
Q. Are the dAyadhis permitted to cook, as per sastras? I know that they can partake the shradda meal.
Regards,
Swami
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