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The magic of spiritual energy

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I have the sense the synthetic people have realized it is futile to do it alone. They are working with support now and are pressing the accelerator most strongly. I wish them all the best.
 
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When perfect spirituality is reached body will be maya personified. It will possess perfect illusory capabilities but as real as maya. I could think of only one figure from hindu mythology that is similar to the above description which the mohini avatar of vishnu. Mohini was totally free of constraints but still had a form because of the illusory nature.
 
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Maya is illusion to the lower realities and is deluding but in the deeper sense it is real and is one with brahman. I think maya has that extra deluding capabilities and brahman needs to create physical reality to catch up and be in sync with maya. That is the reason for the projection of physical reality with screenplay, dialogue , direction and acting done by brahman

A revolutionary idea. what do you think Renuka and others?
 

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Maya is illusion to the lower realities and is deluding but in the deeper sense it is real and is one with brahman. I think maya has that extra deluding capabilities and brahman needs to create physical reality to catch up and be in sync with maya. That is the reason for the projection of physical reality with screenplay, dialogue , direction and acting done by brahman

A revolutionary idea. what do you think Renuka and others?
Swami Yogananda had explained this well.
Maya has 2 functions
1) Para Prakiti: which is in sync with Brahman in the subtle and causal realms.

2) Apara Prakirti which took a Vikshepana( distorting) and Avarana( veiling) function when the gross world came into projection.


Just to add Ibn Arabi states the only God veils Himself by Himself because there can be none but God.
Ibn Arabi also states the Cosmic deluder is but a projectile power of God.

So this is my understanding but I usually dont prefer to dwell on Maya concept.

Why dwell on the Deluder..lets dwell on the God the most merciful most gracious...Karuna Sagara.
 
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I was trying to understand the reason for the projection. Though I am strongly in tune with spiritual mode of thinking I have a strong inclination for scientific explanations also.

When Brahman is complete in the spiritual reality what is the need for projection of physical reality. I think there is something missing which I tried to explain through male and feminine concepts of God. In other words through the concepts of Brahman and maya. They are both one in the spiritual world. This is in accordance with Advaita. Otherwise there would be contradictions.

But think about physical reality. Maya's role is predominant. The ultimate goal is to come out of maya. But what about Brahman. He superficially deludes Himself. But why this play unless there is the purpose of finding out something. He is also the witness. So he is listening to what is going on in the physical world.

So there is s gap between Brahman and maya and the function of physical projection is to overcome it. At the highest level Brahman and maya are one and timelessness is the ultimate reality but at some level and somehow the mechanics of physical reality is happening and with a purpose.
 

renuka

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I was trying to understand the reason for the projection. Though I am strongly in tune with spiritual mode of thinking I have a strong inclination for scientific explanations also.

When Brahman is complete in the spiritual reality what is the need for projection of physical reality. I think there is something missing which I tried to explain through male and feminine concepts of God. In other words through the concepts of Brahman and maya. They are both one in the spiritual world. This is in accordance with Advaita. Otherwise there would be contradictions.

But think about physical reality. Maya's role is predominant. The ultimate goal is to come out of maya. But what about Brahman. He superficially deludes Himself. But why this play unless there is the purpose of finding out something. He is also the witness. So he is listening to what is going on in the physical world.

So there is s gap between Brahman and maya and the function of physical projection is to overcome it. At the highest level Brahman and maya are one and timelessness is the ultimate reality but at some level and somehow the mechanics of physical reality is happening and with a purpose.
This is exactly the trap of Maya.
Its makes the intellect try to analyse and distort our understanding and further veil ourselves.

Just ignore it and focus on God.
Honestly Maya concept gets us no where even though we are all here because of Maya.

I do understand now why Vaishnavas do not give much importance to Maya and just focus on Vishnu.

Even in Islam and Christianity the concept of deluder is just made into the " devil" and told to stay away from it and focus on God.

Honestly its easier.

If we reach out to God with love, Maya lets go of its clutches.
Even in Islam the devil has no effect on those who are steadfast in faith.

So let go of Maya.
 

renuka

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I was trying to understand the reason for the projection. Though I am strongly in tune with spiritual mode of thinking I have a strong inclination for scientific explanations also.

When Brahman is complete in the spiritual reality what is the need for projection of physical reality. I think there is something missing which I tried to explain through male and feminine concepts of God. In other words through the concepts of Brahman and maya. They are both one in the spiritual world. This is in accordance with Advaita. Otherwise there would be contradictions.

But think about physical reality. Maya's role is predominant. The ultimate goal is to come out of maya. But what about Brahman. He superficially deludes Himself. But why this play unless there is the purpose of finding out something. He is also the witness. So he is listening to what is going on in the physical world.

So there is s gap between Brahman and maya and the function of physical projection is to overcome it. At the highest level Brahman and maya are one and timelessness is the ultimate reality but at some level and somehow the mechanics of physical reality is happening and with a purpose.
Some part of your understanding needs some input from advaitic books to get a clearer picture.
Kindly read up some books of Adi Shankara.

Its really long to explain what I read before.
 
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Renuka,

Maya is certainly not the devil it is made out to be. If it is one with brahman it cannot be. Its purpose is to delude and elude so that we are after it and gain something positive out of it. Think of reality without maya. How would the world be? Exactly like spiritual reality. If maya is not one with brahman the tempering would be missing and i think even spiritual reality would collapse. To see this, think of the physical reality. Which teaches us more and makes us stronger and help us face future problems? Negative events or positive events?

Please do not underestimate maya. To clarify brahman and maya are interchangeable and one. But when you call something maya in my opinion it carries even more punch than brahman would carry.
 
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Some part of your understanding needs some input from advaitic books to get a clearer picture.
Kindly read up some books of Adi Shankara.

Its really long to explain what I read before.
Thank you Renuka. But I am trying for novel interpretations of fundamental advaita concepts.
 

renuka

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Renuka,

Maya is certainly not the devil it is made out to be. If it is one with brahman it cannot be. Its purpose is to delude and elude so that we are after it and gain something positive out of it. Think of reality without maya. How would the world be? Exactly like spiritual reality. If maya is not one with brahman the tempering would be missing and i think even spiritual reality would collapse. To see this, think of the physical reality. Which teaches us more and makes us stronger and help us face future problems? Negative events or positive events?

Please do not underestimate maya. To clarify brahman and maya are interchangeable and one. But when you call something maya in my opinion it carries even more punch than brahman would carry.
The Devil is not an entity.
Its a concept.
Maya is not something one needs to dwell on.
It too is a concept.
Its unreal to a great extent.
Focus on Reality.

This is the risk of Advaita Vedanta.
Its a philosophy and can make the mind attached to analysis.

Leave philosophy as a past time, the intellect has to surrender in order for it to be illuminated by the effulgence of God.
Tat savitur varenyam
Bhargo devasya dhimahi
Dhiyo yo nah pracodayat is about illumination of the intellect as to align with the effulgence of God in order for it to be a receptacle for revelations.


Most people think reciting the gayatri mantra is to enhance the intellect to gain a higher IQ.
Nope, its not..its not about worldy IQ..its about deleting all stored data of wordly acquired knowledge to be replaced by revelations from God.

Maya prevents the mind from aligning with God as it tempts one to go down the lane of philosophy.

Ibn Arabi mentioned that there are 2 types of people who can reach God but only one reaches God

1) The philosopher..He can almost reach God through his reasoning and analysis but goes astray as his intellect stands in the way as free will is still dominant.


2) The one who reaches God is called a " Camel rider" who lets the camel take him right through the deserts of existence and just goes with the flow wherever the camel goes and he doesnt navigate the camel as he has surrendered his free will and the camel is the Divine will.

Sravna..Maya is the philosophical trap.
Let it Go!
 
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Renuka,

I believe the concept of infinity will remain a concept only and does not manifest in reality. If it did transcendance or higher reality would not work. Till a very extremely high level force is competitive with spiritual energy. But after that transcendance kicks in and however much you try to increase force it will not have any impact. Thats my experience from the battle between force and spiritual energy. SO there is inbuilt smartness in reality. From this we this we can also conclude that maya deludes only with a higher purpose which is in sync with brahmans..
 
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sravna

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The Devil is not an entity.
Its a concept.
Maya is not something one needs to dwell on.
It too is a concept.
Its unreal to a great extent.
Focus on Reality.

This is the risk of Advaita Vedanta.
Its a philosophy and can make the mind attached to analysis.

Leave philosophy as a past time, the intellect has to surrender in order for it to be illuminated by the effulgence of God.
Tat savitur varenyam
Bhargo devasya dhimahi
Dhiyo yo nah pracodayat is about illumination of the intellect as to align with the effulgence of God in order for it to be a receptacle for revelations.


Most people think reciting the gayatri mantra is to enhance the intellect to gain a higher IQ.
Nope, its not..its not about worldy IQ..its about deleting all stored data of wordly acquired knowledge to be replaced by revelations from God.

Maya prevents the mind from aligning with God as it tempts one to go down the lane of philosophy.

Ibn Arabi mentioned that there are 2 types of people who can reach God but only one reaches God

1) The philosopher..He can almost reach God through his reasoning and analysis but goes astray as his intellect stands in the way as free will is still dominant.


2) The one who reaches God is called a " Camel rider" who lets the camel take him right through the deserts of existence and just goes with the flow wherever the camel goes and he doesnt navigate the camel as he has surrendered his free will and the camel is the Divine will.

Sravna..Maya is the philosophical trap.
Let it Go!
Take it from me Renuka. My personal experience attests totally to the reality of maya. It is said to be unreal in one sense because maya seen at mental and physical levels are delusions. But maya which is seen as one with brahman is as real as brahman. Maya as a cause is real but its effects are illusions. The unreal can be felt at physical and mental level but the latter only when one becomes one with brahman.
 
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