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such a long and lonely journey......

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kunjuppu

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yes.

i mean this short sojourn that each of us have in this planet. without choice in making our presence here, and mostly without choice departing from it.

we come here alone. the twins too, for even though they enjoy the company of their sibling in the comfort of their mother's womb, they land one by one, only to be branded the older and the younger, very much to their chagrin, for were they not conceived at the very same instant?

even though we may rejoice in company at weddings or poonuls, by and large our presence in this planet is alone.

none of us can claim that we have spent more time with others than our own. it is a fact of life.

even in company, we suffer our alone-ness. not necessary lonely, but we are alone.

it is a rare human, who is lucky to find another human, who makes his or her life wholesome by his/her presence and commitment.

i am yet to meet one.

our spouses are products of life's lottery.

our children are gifts that often we do not know how to deal with, look for references to our own growing up, and thus make the same mistakes that our parents did.

only to realize too late, that we could have done better, as parents. our first born, in my opinion, are mostly the victims of the parents' learning curve. the younger ones, if they are opted by choice, have an easier life.

we are born into a culture that venerates our ancestors, scoundrels they might have have been, all in the name of pithrus. such is our fear of death.

after all, let us look at our own flaws. i have no problem creditting our ancestors with the same. or more. why should we endow them sanctity in the name of pithurs? it looks like a convenient way to deal with death.

we go to kasi, gaya and rameswaram, in whatever order, to pay homage to our ancestors and fervently believe that these acts too will pave our path to nirvana, the moment we stop breathing.

then comes the enigma - with the current technology, we can keep breathing for ever.

increasingly our sojourn in this planet is lengthening, through no desire of ours, but thanks to improved medical technology.

when do we call it quits? when do we draw the line and advise our kin that death is a release, not out of suffering, but out of contentment of a fulfilled life.

can we with equanimity, in the face of a debilating disease, in our sixties, refuse medication, and welcome death as a close to a chapter of a book well lived?

i had a close relative, who was a vedaasrami (title bestowed by kanchi mutt) who on being diagnosed with incurable disease, refused medication, and actively prepared himself to die. ....

more... later.. depending on the response to this post...

thanks a mill..
 
to Kunjappu Sir, A good topic you have started. Your last para I had aclose relative....prepared himself to die.... he is the true Soul and understand the life,because he is a true Satsangi and lived. Santmant principles teaches the same.s.r.k.
 
This is an actual incident. A flight was having problems and was likely to crash. Every body was frightened except one. He was very cool and said if I have to die, there is no problem, I welcome it. Ultimately the plane survived probably because of him only.

He is no more now. He was actively involved with Chinmaya Mission and other charitable activities.

Everybody has to develop such an attitude. If you ask me, I have to honestly say I have not yet achieved that status.
 
Kunjuppu sir..excellent topic!! I remember Cho Ramaswamy telling in one of his interviews about his grandfather who voluntarily chose sanyasam after 60 and lived as a beggar till his death in kasi..Really surprising to know that India is a country where such people have lived and continue to live!!
 
Dear kunjuppi ji.........

I think i should also have a few words in this thread !

The Journey of Life as such is never lonely , there are millions human lives born each day , ten million animals / insects , over a trillion flowers - imagine the fragrance of the malligai poo ! , mullai poo , roja poo , khushboo ! ( just kidding !)

From the logical perspective , I feel GOD would have definitely created a dozen routes ( pathways ) to reach him ! Being a sanyasi and giving up everything is the only one route identified by many of us !
Who knows may be by living life happily and keeping others Happy , one may get a shortcut to visit him !
Please think on those lines !
 
Dear kunjuppi ji.........

I think i should also have a few words in this thread !

The Journey of Life as such is never lonely , there are millions human lives born each day , ten million animals / insects , over a trillion flowers - imagine the fragrance of the malligai poo ! , mullai poo , roja poo , khushboo ! ( just kidding !)

From the logical perspective , I feel GOD would have definitely created a dozen routes ( pathways ) to reach him ! Being a sanyasi and giving up everything is the only one route identified by many of us !
Who knows may be by living life happily and keeping others Happy , one may get a shortcut to visit him !
Please think on those lines !

viji,

thanks for your note. ..

i agree that my initial salvo might have sounded morose. so be it. i would like to move on further.

sir, to set the baseline, i am a very contended person with my life, each day a blessing, and am looking forward to the next.

however, perhaps due to my temperment, i feel my own presence overwhelming in my life, with everyone else, including my spouse, only as visitors into my realm of influence.

it took a long time for me to realize this, as many a times, i sought my privacy, not out of any arrogance, but out of a need, to be alone.

alone, does not necessarily mean loneliness. my loneliest feelings have been around crowds, with whom, i cannot relate.

however, being on the cusp of modern day golden years, i cannot but think of the curtain call.

each time i visit india, there is less of the folks that i know. new crops have grown, who view me with indifference and if they are kind, with mild curiosity. definitely not with affection of the return of a prodigal, which used to be the norm till about a few years ago.

i strongly feel, that the only constant in our life is change. unless we change with the times, we would be left behind, bitter and accursed.

i know that knowingly i will never be that. but the body is but a machine with parts wearing out constantly. mine is a 1950 model. rather indifferently maintained.

i have had close relatives whose mental faculties failed and yet they were physically 100% ok till their last few weeks.

in this day of medical wonder, while one has control of their mental faculty, one can make a concerted decision as to when to deny drugs and treatments, to extend one's life almost indefinitely.

what about those afflicted with alzheimers or parkinsons? the burden of care is heavy and falls on the near and dear.

one does not even know that one is sick. a truly sad state sir. no amount of cheers would rectify the toll it takes on the caregivers.

i have seen, been part of such afflictions.

more later...

thank you..
 
Looks like an interesting message and intellectual thoughts gonna explode here..But frankly I could'nt yet comprehend it. First I thought it could be about 'next life' and now it touches on 'cocooning'. This post reminds me of 'Ayn Rand' and John le Carré's 'Tinker Tailor soldier spy', in which , one could only get to know what author is trying to say, after hitting the half way mark in the book.

Will wait for few more posts and before sharing my thoughts.
 
your life's definition

yes.

i mean this short sojourn that each of us have in this planet. without choice in making our presence here, and mostly without choice departing from it.

we come here alone. the twins too, for even though they enjoy the company of their sibling in the comfort of their mother's womb, they land one by one, only to be branded the older and the younger, very much to their chagrin, for were they not conceived at the very same instant?

even though we may rejoice in company at weddings or poonuls, by and large our presence in this planet is alone.

none of us can claim that we have spent more time with others than our own. it is a fact of life.

even in company, we suffer our alone-ness. not necessary lonely, but we are alone.

it is a rare human, who is lucky to find another human, who makes his or her life wholesome by his/her presence and commitment.

i am yet to meet one.

our spouses are products of life's lottery.

our children are gifts that often we do not know how to deal with, look for references to our own growing up, and thus make the same mistakes that our parents did.

only to realize too late, that we could have done better, as parents. our first born, in my opinion, are mostly the victims of the parents' learning curve. the younger ones, if they are opted by choice, have an easier life.

we are born into a culture that venerates our ancestors, scoundrels they might have have been, all in the name of pithrus. such is our fear of death.

after all, let us look at our own flaws. i have no problem creditting our ancestors with the same. or more. why should we endow them sanctity in the name of pithurs? it looks like a convenient way to deal with death.

we go to kasi, gaya and rameswaram, in whatever order, to pay homage to our ancestors and fervently believe that these acts too will pave our path to nirvana, the moment we stop breathing.

then comes the enigma - with the current technology, we can keep breathing for ever.

increasingly our sojourn in this planet is lengthening, through no desire of ours, but thanks to improved medical technology.

when do we call it quits? when do we draw the line and advise our kin that death is a release, not out of suffering, but out of contentment of a fulfilled life.

can we with equanimity, in the face of a debilating disease, in our sixties, refuse medication, and welcome death as a close to a chapter of a book well lived?

i had a close relative, who was a vedaasrami (title bestowed by kanchi mutt) who on being diagnosed with incurable disease, refused medication, and actively prepared himself to die. ....

more... later.. depending on the response to this post...

thanks a mill..
what an amazing disclosure; aptly put in. all are gems to reflect. What is happening to your closre relativevedaasrami now. How is he.
dr sundaram
[email protected]
 
yes.

i mean this short sojourn that each of us have in this planet. without choice in making our presence here, and mostly without choice departing from it.

we come here alone. the twins too, for even though they enjoy the company of their sibling in the comfort of their mother's womb, they land one by one, only to be branded the older and the younger, very much to their chagrin, for were they not conceived at the very same instant?

even though we may rejoice in company at weddings or poonuls, by and large our presence in this planet is alone.

none of us can claim that we have spent more time with others than our own. it is a fact of life.

even in company, we suffer our alone-ness. not necessary lonely, but we are alone.

it is a rare human, who is lucky to find another human, who makes his or her life wholesome by his/her presence and commitment.

i am yet to meet one.

our spouses are products of life's lottery.

our children are gifts that often we do not know how to deal with, look for references to our own growing up, and thus make the same mistakes that our parents did.

only to realize too late, that we could have done better, as parents. our first born, in my opinion, are mostly the victims of the parents' learning curve. the younger ones, if they are opted by choice, have an easier life.

we are born into a culture that venerates our ancestors, scoundrels they might have have been, all in the name of pithrus. such is our fear of death.

after all, let us look at our own flaws. i have no problem creditting our ancestors with the same. or more. why should we endow them sanctity in the name of pithurs? it looks like a convenient way to deal with death.

we go to kasi, gaya and rameswaram, in whatever order, to pay homage to our ancestors and fervently believe that these acts too will pave our path to nirvana, the moment we stop breathing.

then comes the enigma - with the current technology, we can keep breathing for ever.

increasingly our sojourn in this planet is lengthening, through no desire of ours, but thanks to improved medical technology.

when do we call it quits? when do we draw the line and advise our kin that death is a release, not out of suffering, but out of contentment of a fulfilled life.

can we with equanimity, in the face of a debilating disease, in our sixties, refuse medication, and welcome death as a close to a chapter of a book well lived?

i had a close relative, who was a vedaasrami (title bestowed by kanchi mutt) who on being diagnosed with incurable disease, refused medication, and actively prepared himself to die. ....

more... later.. depending on the response to this post...

thanks a mill..
hi kunjappu sir,
beautiful expressions...i agree with u...im the kinda the same situation now...im in USA... with a lot of people...in the
crowd..im alone...not much problem...i came alone this world..
parents are material cause...some body joined in my childhood..
somedbody joined in my adulthood...somebody to be joined
in my old age...but still im always alone....death is only certainity
and reality..waiting daily for reality....like kaveri river a small
stream in thalakavery.......many small streams joined in the
middle of river journey..looklike big river srirangam....
many stream water passed throungh local canals for
irrigation..but ending in occean in its original certainty...
we have accept certainity and reality with prepare for
death daily....death is an auspious journey...not an end...
to be continued our journey...so we have to enjoy the
journey with the blessings of GOD...

regards
tbs
 
such a long and lonely journey

This is an intellectual and poetic posting. I feel the author's expressions need several times reading and an assimilation of thoughts, before confining them and put it in writing. Let me take the benefit of taking some more time, which will also enable me to observe the postings by other learneds.



Regards to all.

G Soundara Rajan
 
Dear Sri Kunjuppu Ji,

I hope you would not mind in my sharing a few of my life experiences regarding your thread. I hope, I am not intruding.

We all live alone but we also live connected lives. Yes, I need my 'alone' time too, but the times I have felt accutely that I am not really 'alone' in the big scheme of things was when I mourned my father, my closest cousin, a very close friend and my first love and my dear father in law.

At each moment of such losses, which sprinkled through my life at the stages of my life where those losses impacted me greatly, I have questioned my own feelings towards the losses and the strange answer I have come up with is that the feelings were no different than when I left my sons at their colleges away from home to start their freshmen years. We pine for the departed, not because we have 'lost' them, but because we lose something of ourselves when we someone we love passes on. It is not 'them', it is 'us'.

I think, when I say 'I', it is not just myself - it is the composite 'I' - I with all the people who love me and in turn those I loved in my life. This knowledge I will take to my, dare I say, grave, and know that I will meet all of them again in the future in any of the seven worlds or if I am lucky within the final ocean called Paramatma.

Hope I am making some sense.

Regards,
KRS
 
Meditation is the best way.....

:bump:Meditation is nothing but a preparation to leave the body. That is the real purpose of Meditation.Before acting rehearsal is must,like this meditation is daily rehearsal to die,so that we become perfect at how to die and when to die. Moulana Rumi encourages as:
What a blessing it would be
If you were one night to bring your soul out of body,
And,leaving this tomb behind,
ascend to the skies within.
If your soul were vacate your body,
You would be saved from the sword of death:
You would enter a Garden that knows no autumn.
Bhagavad Gita says:
Constantly mastering his mind,
The spiritual man grows peaceful,
Attains supreme bliss,
And returns to the Absolute One. For that long journey the Toruch light is meditation. s.r.k.
 
what an amazing disclosure; aptly put in. all are gems to reflect. What is happening to your closre relativevedaasrami now. How is he.
dr sundaram
[email protected]

it was quite some years ago, during the reign of the previous kanchi head, who bestowed the vedaasrami title, for his sanskrit erudition and research.

in his seventies, my uncle, suffering from diabetes, one day decided, that life was enough. just stopped taking the medicines, and with his son, chanting hymns, passed away peacefully in his own bed, surrounded by his family.

basically, he starved himself to the next world.
 
Sri Kunjuppu Ji,

Founder of Vaishanavi Temple, Thirumullaivayil (Between Avadi and Ambattur), Chennai Sri Anvanandaji (popularly known as Bapaji, Sadhu Parthasarathi erstwhile name Parthasarathi Iyengar) was Managing Director of an Insurance company and was a Bar at Law from UK. He gave up everything, took sanyas and founded the temple in a 40 acre plus campus. He lived a very simple life along with his disciples. During his last days, his disciples only attended him. He left enormous wealth to his erstwhile family (he had sons and daughters) but none of them helped him even during his last days.
 
Hope I'm saying something in context here. 80's rock star,Henry Rollins sang “Loneliness adds beauty to life. It puts a special burn on sunsets and makes night air smell better.”

I'm a 1975 model human machine,with lot of enjoyments in my day today life, but still, I do enjoy lonliness in someother way,but with a caution of, not being branded as dodderer.

Makin' a window shopping,while my sweet heart is in control of the steering wheel with the kid on the rear seat,OR,after the party,with seat belts on, driving a late night 'LONELY' drive in the traffic free roads, testing the power of the engine to the max with all the zig-zags with the near blurred visions...Blasting Dire Straites and try karoke in the microphone with all folks OR get in to the terrace in the early morning, and listening ALONE to the bleak sound of the suprabatham played in a temple, few kilometers away. Both type of moments brings happiness,but,in their own style.

I definitely dont tag lonliness with old. Should I call it dotage,gerontophobia?
 
such a long and lonely journey.

Dear Sri Kunjuppu,

Thanks for introducing the subject. I wish to share my thoughts which occur to me at random on the subject.

I am my world. If I am not there I have no world. All things I perceive through my senses and intelle3ct are in relation to me only. I am not lonely. My survival has been possible due to help and assistance from many others. During my long journey in life, I found only two events are certain in life, the birth and death. All others are incidental just happen due to circumstances on which I have no control.

I have too many unanswered questions. Till now I do not know who am I, why I am born and what is the purpose of my life? But I am sure every thing in creation has a purpose just like pieces in a jigsaw puzzle that the creator only knows our part in the finished picture.

I have many more thoughts to share which I prefer to post later after reading views of other learned members.

Regards,
Brahmanyan.
 
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...... Exactly Shri Brahmanyan ji ! The possibility of Survival upto the present age should by itself be celebrated with a " thanks giving " party to the almighty , supremo , G O D !

And ..GOD always said " Use this Body as a vehicle " in your life's journey ! Now in the strict sense and practical experience , one should agree that " Keeping the Body fit always makes it easy for higher concentrated levels of activities such as Meditation !"

Now.. Who has given us the right to destroy the body , by keeping it starving ! And if one opts to keep it starving ? is there a guarantee to attain moksha ?

Accepting death and waiting for it is infact idling your valuable time . Is your brain dead ? Can you not help someone mentally if not physically , sharing your experiences ? Can you not keep company with children and gain satisfaction from their smiles ?
Can we not take lessons from the Sun , which never fails to rise each day morning ?
Doesn't GOD have something to convey all along ??
 
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I think the author need to come little more elaborate. Its more like a psychedelic writing, which many of us still are fighting hard to figure it out, with all the subtle messages and squeezing too much of points in a single paragraph, like a cryptograph. Trust me, its mind boggling and was tempting and yielding to take our thoughts and nostalgia like a 'Fish eye lens' of a wide angle SLR camera

I thought of expressing this, after reading Brahmanyan's post.

If I were a road, I would bend... And, if I were a good men, I would talk with you more often , than I do!!!
 
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sorry single,

the author has not much to say in elaboration.

the author just scribbles thoughts as they come, without any pretensions to deep thought or (pseudo) intellect.

the author, appreciates the response, and is delighted at the various trains of thought that his post ignites.

the author request the guest not to read too deeply into the words, but to take them as they understand it at the first glance.

the author, does not take claim to erudition or knowledge, except that of life experience.

the author, wishes to reiterate, is generally a happy person, but one whose thoughts at times, gaze towards the inevitable curtain call.

finally, the author wishes the reader to enjoy the post for what it is worth in the reader's mind and does not expect any more analysis than that.

thank you.
 
Thanatophobia,they call it as a morbid fear of death.

People are born, people die, more people are born. One should not feel like you're ONLY being called out, and that you have to fear it. After death, all are going to be in the same boat, may be a sailing in a different type of boat, but the passengers gonna be the same old humans of our current life.

So, why fear? Its just a change of boat, though the journey and destinations gonna be the same!!
 
To vijisesh, sir you are little confused, Meditation means not starving, it is focus at eye center, once you achived higerlevels there is no need of food,and per day few breathings ( saving from 21,600 breathing per day) this life span will increse,and when ever food reqired the own body will provide as "AMUTHAM" drop by drop. God preprogrammed sun raise and set,like human being also pre programmed, to get rid worldly thing( not to become Sanyasi and live in jungles and ashrams),one should understand the Birth purpose, waiting for death is not idleing of time, for preparation for the journy,for that journy every one need a boat that boat is "NAAM", boat men is GURU. Just listen an old cinima song eatho manithan biranthu vitan..s.r.k.
 
Life expectancy is going up on continuous basis. With improvements in Medicare, developments in Bio technology, I expect life expectancy to go up further. My grand father died at the age of 70. My father died at the age of 85. I don't know what to do if I live upto 100 years. I may not be useful to anybody. On the contrary all my children would have retired if I hit a century.

Will it not create a social problem if two generation of retired people have to be taken care off by the younger generation ? Even if my grandson is willing to help me, I doubt his spouse may not agree.

Is Vanaprastham real solution?
 
wonderful thread, enjoyed reading thru it...

am trying to see myself where i will be at 60..hard to say...man makes many plans but who really knows what will come to pass...

i do like the "alone"ness though.

not sure if i've ever feared death as much as i've been afraid of a few other things in life.

the post above by shri venkatarmani ji reminds me of the ongoing gene therapies that promise immortality....not sure what i wud do with immortality of the material kind.

i prefer the inevitable.
 
wonderful thread, enjoyed reading thru it...

am trying to see myself where i will be at 60..hard to say...man makes many plans but who really knows what will come to pass...

i do like the "alone"ness though.

not sure if i've ever feared death as much as i've been afraid of a few other things in life.

the post above by shri venkatarmani ji reminds me of the ongoing gene therapies that promise immortality....not sure what i wud do with immortality of the material kind.

i prefer the inevitable.

Every scientific development will have a side effect which we generally notice only after some time. New Drugs, New therapies etc will definitely extend our life. But it will have associated problems also.

I also prefer the inevitable. However if it is not forthcoming what to do?
 
sorry single,
the author, appreciates the response, and is delighted at the various trains of thought that his post ignites
the author has not much to say in elaboration.
the author request the guest not to read too deeply into the words, but to take them as they understand it at the first glance.

hmm! The author has given a long rope for us here.. Roger waters wrote, "Give any one species too much rope. And they'll f**k it up". Wish the author pop's out his thought, atleast once in 5 posts! Am I asking too much here?

With that long rope,I also steered my thoughts to the future tense, and the first thing which struck me was 'Security' and so, I called my insurance agent in India, whoom once I treated him as my enemy for he bugged me too much with Amway and L.I.C.

I asked him...

God forbid, what is the premium should I pay, for if I had to die tomorrow to get 10 Mn USD and a ferrari for my wife?

Is there any plan for funding my old age home expenses?

I said, I crash my car on road you compensate me without much queries, what if my wife and children break me after 35 years, when Im bedridden.. Any such compensation plan or schemes? Can I i/ensure their love?

A long rope!! He slammed my door, and said, Boy, You F88K Off!!
 
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