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Root cause of human Bondage

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tks

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In this section the focus of the threads have been attempted interpretation and communication of traditional teaching of any knowledge area be it in science or in our sastras.

As human beings we learn by exploring personal opinions formed by our unique experience in life.

This TB forum is unique because we have a General Section for expression of opinions allowing free flowing debates while this section focuses on the doctrinal aspects supported by facts when applicable.

What is so great about our teaching tradition (sampradaya) is that it has allowed for 100% transmission of the vision of Rishis over thousands of years enabling us to appreciate issues and opportunities unique to human existence.

Bhakthi is not a state , and Shraddha is not something one possesses. Shraddha is an attitude born out of Viveka and is a counter response to Ahamkara.



In Bhagavad Gita, 4:39, Sri Krishna says "Shraddhavan labhate jnanam" (one who has "Shraddha" obtains Knowledge/Jnana). Almost all teachers have had extensive commentaries on this line because of its importance.

Having said this, each person is endowed with freedom to approach these subject areas (or ignore these subject areas) as they wish within Hindu religious tradition.
 

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When it comes to topics such as this it will be meaningless unless the teaching is taken in an intensely personal manner with Shraddha. In other words it is not accessible if it is studied like we study nature - physical laws, physiology, or psychology to name a few topic areas.


Dear TKS ji,

Is there anything in this world that is meaningless?

Even in the word "meaningless" we find the word "meaning".

Meaningless might just mean Meaning Less..that is a Lesser Meaning..but surely not 100% sans meaning.

Even in Bhagavat Geeta we have this:

nehābhikrama-nāśo ‘sti
pratyavāyo na vidyate
sv-alpam apy asya dharmasya
trāyate mahato bhayāt

In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear.



So frankly speaking I feel we should not delude ourselves by jumping into the Shraddha boat when Sharddha is hard to define or even detect.One can also imagine that he/she has an attitude called Shraddha.

Best it to try..start the endeavor without having any desire for any specific outcome and sail along..Shraddha might come along the way if one has to bloom with Jnaana as the saying goes.

A flower does not emit fragrance over night..as a bud it slowly unfolds itself petal by petal.

Does a flower have Shraddha to bloom? Who knows? It might actually have. None of us really know the exact state of consciousness of flora and fauna and likewise we have no idea of even our own state of consciousness even more trying to guess the consciousness of others.

Nothing is meaningless..its only when we do not wish to acknowledge other possible meanings we feel something or anything is meaningless.
 
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tks

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Dear TKS ji,

Is there anything in this world that is meaningless?

Even in the word "meaningless" we find the word "meaning".

Meaningless might just mean Meaning Less..that is a Lesser Meaning..but surely not 100% sans meaning.

Even in Bhagavat Geeta we have this:



So frankly speaking I feel we should not delude ourselves by jumping into the Shraddha boat when Sharddha is hard to define or even detect.One can also imagine that he/she has an attitude called Shraddha.

Best it to try..start the endeavor without having any desire for any specific outcome and sail along..Shraddha might come along the way if one has to bloom with Jnaana as the saying goes.

A flower does not emit fragrance over night..as a bud it slowly unfolds itself petal by petal.

Does a flower have Shraddha to bloom? Who knows? It might actually have. None of us really know the exact state of consciousness of flora and fauna and likewise we have no idea of even our own state of consciousness even more trying to guess the consciousness of others.

Nothing is meaningless..its only when we do not wish to acknowledge other possible meanings we feel something or anything is meaningless.

The verse quoted (2.40) is not applicable (to whatever personal opinion that is asserted here) since it is about Karma Yoga not Karma. Karma yoga is all about Shraddha. That is the teaching.
 
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renuka

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The verse quoted (2.40) is not applicable here since it is about Karma Yoga not Karma. Karma yoga is all about Shraddha. That is the teaching.

The BG is written in chapters to make reading easier and not to strictly compartmentalize the meaning of the stanzas.

BG has a unique capability to have answers when most needed for any situation.

The saying goes..

The Upanishads are the cows; Arjuna is the calf; Krishna is the milker; the discriminating man is the drinker; and the ambrosial Gita is the milk.

So the final product here is MILK..it was not compartmentalized into yogurt,cheese,lassi,buttermilk etc.

BTW there is no one size fits all even when it comes to Shraddha.

17.2 BG

śrī-bhagavān uvāca
tri-vidhā bhavati śraddhā
dehināṁ sā svabhāva-jā
sāttvikī rājasī caiva
tāmasī ceti tāṁ śṛṇu


The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: According to the modes of nature acquired by the embodied soul, one’s faith can be of three kinds—in goodness, in passion or in ignorance. Now hear about this.



3 types of Shraddha..certainly 3 fold meanings to that..definitely not meaningless.
 
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