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No such request made by PM Modi: S Jaishankar on Donald Trump's claim

prasad1

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Prime Minister Narendra Modi made no request to US President Donald Trump to mediate on the Kashmir issue with Pakistan, External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar said in Rajya Sabha Tuesday amid a massive controversy over the US leader's claim.

He said all outstanding issues between India and Pakistan can be discussed only bilaterally. "I would like to categorically state that no such request has been made by the Prime Minister to the US President," he said after Congress and other opposition parties raised the issue in the House.

US President Donald Trump had on Monday claimed that Prime Minister Modi had asked him to play the role of a mediator on Kashmir. The minister said it has been the consistent position of India that all outstanding issues with Pakistan can be discussed only bilaterally.

"Any engagement with Pakistan will require end to cross border terrorism," he said, adding Shimla and Lahore accords provide the basis for resolution of all issues bilaterally.

Opposition parties were, however, not satisfied by the statement of the External Affairs Minister and wanted the Prime Minister to come to the House and clarify. This led to heated exchange between opposition benches and the Chairman M Venkaiah Naidu, who adjourned proceedings till 1200 hours.

 

Jaykay767

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Hilarious to see our right wing folks in a major soup !! I mean, they love both these leaders dearly !! Some of them had gone to the extent of doing puja for the buffoon trump. LOL.

The problem is Trump is already on a war on tarriffs, and now he will start meddling in Kashmir with his idiotic tweets. And every time, he does, our right wing folks will be running helter skelter era on how to react !!

I don't think, this will end quietly, so let's watch this space on how it develops !!

LOL
 

Jaykay767

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On the India US foreign policy, this govt has bungled up big time. Trump is on a war path with india for quite sometime now, and we have no answer on how to address this. He has riled india as the tariff King, terminated the preferential trade agreement, numerous tweets against india, and now siding with Pakistan openly.

On top of it, in the recent Bishkek conference, Putin and Imran were seen cosying up. And that is a big worrying sign.

India has made series of blunders with trump. They spent all the time working on the unimportant countries and wasted time and messed up big time on the most important relationship with USA.

And they sidelined trump, signed the arms deal with Putin, aligned with China in the middle of the trump - China war, etc.. Now trump being the petulant buffoon, he will make this govt pay through the nose !!
 

Jaykay767

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The Indian media is going all over saying trump is lying etc..possibly under tacit instructions, and this is a dangerous game that can only end in disaster.

The point is not about Kashmir mediation, our relationship with a trump is over, and that is the major issue. Now, trump is on a war path against us because of the blunders of this govt, and we will have to pay a big price due to this mess!!

Govt need a to take charge and do a focused diplomacy to get trump on board to support india! And a quick arms deal with the ultimate deal maker will help !! Lol
 

prasad1

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Let’s be clear about two things: first, this will blow over until the next storm in a tea cup; and second, no country – except Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar – has found reliable ways to deal with Trump. Let us be equally clear that Modi has never asked Trump or any external interloper to interfere in bilateral matters. Modi is a stickler for rules and follows the brief his bureaucrats prepare for him to the T. Trump is no one’s fool, although the Democrats would like you to believe that. Assuming that Trump is a fool is the biggest mistake one can make, something the Democrats don’t seem to understand even after their rout in the 2016 US presidential election.

That said, there is no doubt Trump is lying (no, he didn’t misunderstand what Modi may or may not have told him; he is deliberately lying). The question is why? We should be worrying not about ‘what’ he said (as Indians are at the moment), but ‘why’ he said it. The ‘what’ is not important, the ‘why’ is critical. I have discussed the more macro reasons here, but what we need to do now is understand how this episode will play out.

Let us be clear, the Indian economy is in doldrums, and the standard Indian practice has been to play ostrich at home, and the perpetually-petulant-victim abroad. In effect, our failure at domestic policy leaves our diplomats with few choices – none of them viable. But what is inexcusable is that they have either failed to read the signs in advance or haven’t been heard at the top.

What was all this meant to signal to Trump? Tweet on tariffs, you won’t get anything; we’ll keep throwing sweet nothings your and Ivanka’s way. But attack us on core interests like Kashmir as Trubnikov did, actively undermine Indian interests as Kabulov had, and you would get US$9 billion. Trump clearly internalised this message. In the end, there is no conclusion other than that India has brought this upon itself. It should have read the warning signs, it didn’t. There should be no doubt that Trump has done this to extract a price. How steep that price will be, shall be determined by what Trump believes: the reality of the Indian economy or Modi’s hype. In the end, Modi may very well end up becoming a victim of his own successful marketing campaign.

 

Jaykay767

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Let’s be clear about two things: first, this will blow over until the next storm in a tea cup; and second, no country – except Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar – has found reliable ways to deal with Trump. Let us be equally clear that Modi has never asked Trump or any external interloper to interfere in bilateral matters. Modi is a stickler for rules and follows the brief his bureaucrats prepare for him to the T. Trump is no one’s fool, although the Democrats would like you to believe that. Assuming that Trump is a fool is the biggest mistake one can make, something the Democrats don’t seem to understand even after their rout in the 2016 US presidential election.

That said, there is no doubt Trump is lying (no, he didn’t misunderstand what Modi may or may not have told him; he is deliberately lying). The question is why? We should be worrying not about ‘what’ he said (as Indians are at the moment), but ‘why’ he said it. The ‘what’ is not important, the ‘why’ is critical. I have discussed the more macro reasons here, but what we need to do now is understand how this episode will play out.

Let us be clear, the Indian economy is in doldrums, and the standard Indian practice has been to play ostrich at home, and the perpetually-petulant-victim abroad. In effect, our failure at domestic policy leaves our diplomats with few choices – none of them viable. But what is inexcusable is that they have either failed to read the signs in advance or haven’t been heard at the top.

What was all this meant to signal to Trump? Tweet on tariffs, you won’t get anything; we’ll keep throwing sweet nothings your and Ivanka’s way. But attack us on core interests like Kashmir as Trubnikov did, actively undermine Indian interests as Kabulov had, and you would get US$9 billion. Trump clearly internalised this message. In the end, there is no conclusion other than that India has brought this upon itself. It should have read the warning signs, it didn’t. There should be no doubt that Trump has done this to extract a price. How steep that price will be, shall be determined by what Trump believes: the reality of the Indian economy or Modi’s hype. In the end, Modi may very well end up becoming a victim of his own successful marketing campaign.

Agree, spot on ! The issue is we have totally messed up on our relationship with USA and trump is on war path. And it is not about what he said, but why he said it to ruffle india !
 
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Jaykay767

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This is the bane of this govt. They claim to be the most hardworking and delivering a lot of toilets, gas, etc,,to the poor all over the country (none we can see..lol), but getting all the macro policies wrong.

So what is the point of delivering all this work and then eliminating millions of businesses and jobs, via ill conceived and badly implemented polices of demo and GST ??

Same with foreign policy, what is the point of working so hard on all and sundry countries and messing up the most important relationship w USA ??

First off, why did we come up with non aligned policy, because we didn't want to get caught in the geopolitics of the big players. Now by aligning with Russia and China at the wrong time, we have messed up the relationship with USA to the extent they have cancelled the preferential trade agreement, and now openly siding with Pakistan.

Remember, it is not just trump who cancelled the preferential trade agreement, it is the USA state department,so we not only have got trump on the wrong side, but also the state department.

So much for new india ! And as usual, with so much talent in the country, the govt doesn't want to listen to others except for the small coterie !!
 

Jaykay767

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Another thing is to understand, why USA is on such a trade war with China. It is not about economic domination, it is the regional hegemony and global political domination it wants via the obor project, and other regional initiatives and alignment.

That impacts US political interests and with trump at the helm, it is absolute no no. And in this war, we have inserted ourselves and created a big mess out of nowhere.

How the heck we moved away from alleviating poverty of 100s of millions to playing dangerous politics with the big players ??
 

Jaykay767

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USA is not a tinpot country, trumps policies are not his, they come from the republican establishment, right wing think tanks, and foundations. Terminating trade agreements are not because of the idiot trumps shenanigans. It is due to the republican establishment.

So it not that, only trump is upset, but clearly the republicans at large are very upset with india aligning with China, and they are going after us !!
 

Yadhunath

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Trump has a loose tongue and no one can ever predict what his next tweet or statement would be. Very recently, Trump mocked at Japan - supposedly the closest ally of US. Trump went on to say that while US soldiers would be obliged to defend Japan with their lives, if US were to be attacked Japanese people would be watching on Sony television. He said this just before embarking on a flight to Tokyo for an official meeting with Abe. If Trump can say this to Japan, others can't expect anything better than this.

I think what is important is to deal with other nations firmly and with authority and that is where India is way behind. We are punching below our weight. We are shy to talk (except when bashing Pakistan) and always on the defence. Instead of a defensive tweet and clarifying our position, we should be on front foot and saying that India takes it seriously when our stance has been always consistent on this subject and if any body misunderstood or misquoted us is doing so at peril. Arrogance and authority has to be dealt with firmly and not with soft gloves. US and China are both belligerent at times and we should not be afraid to lash back when called for.

What Modi government should realize is that India is not an ordinary country anymore and we need to play . more pro-active role in world politics and external affairs. Over the years, India has taken a passive stance of minding own business and we have programmed ourselves to believe that we don't need to voice our opinion or even raise our head up other than the mention of Pakistan. That attitude must change and India must start taking more pro-active stance in World Politics. Come on, you are the biggest democracy in the world and who has better credentials than you. Unless we bring a marked shift in our attitude to world matters and start punching our weight, if not more than our weight, we should not expect to be respected.
 
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