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Legalising lgbt is blasphemy of hinduism

GNANA SUNYAM

Active member
God created man and He created woman to be man's companion.

Man living with man and woman living with woman is against God's Law.

I wonder if Hinduism permits LGBT.

In all probability it is an abomination and violation of the principles and tenets of hinduism.
 

GNANA SUNYAM

Active member
Some excerpts of apex court's verdict:

As soon as the Supreme Court legalised homosexuality and partially decriminalised Section 377 of the Indian penal Code (IPC), gay rights activists started celebrating the verdict. A five-judge bench, headed by Chief Justice of India Dipak Misra and comprising Justices Fali Nariman, A M Khanwilkar, D Y Chandrachud and Indu Malhotra, delivered the judgment saying, “Only Constitutional morality and not social morality can be allowed to permeate rule of law. Sexual orientation is one of the many natural phenomenon. Any discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation amounts to violation of fundamental rights.”

[FONT=&quot]On July 17, the bench had reserved its verdict in the a colonial-era provision that punishes same-sex relations, after hearing various stakeholders for four days, including gay rights activists.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Section 377 of the IPC states: “Whoever voluntarily has carnal inter­course against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal, shall be punished with 1[imprisonment for life], or with impris­onment of either description for a term which may extend to ten years, and shall also be liable to fine.” This archaic British law dates back to 1861 and criminalises sexual activities against the order of nature.[/FONT]
 

prasad1

Well-known member
Why is it blasphemy in Hinduism? Is there a Hinduism expert?
We all know a drop of the Hindu ocean and assume that we know the whole ocean.

What we have learned Is like a handful of earth;
What we have yet to learn Is like the whole world

- Auvaiyar, 4th C poet, India

The Hindu teachers and social legislators also recognised the fact that people are born with different proclivities, tendencies and tastes due to their Karma — the resultant conditioning of actions done in previous lives. One’s sexual orientation, it was recognised, is not a matter of choice but of such previous life conditioning.


The Self which is enveloped by ignorance, is sometimes embodied as a man, sometimes as a

woman, sometimes as a homosexual (ubhaya). According to its deeds and the nature one

acquires thereby, one may be born as a god, a human or a beast.

Bhagavatam 4.29.29.

Whatever the sexual orientation of the child whether it be male, female or homosexual (napumsaka) it is born in the ninth or the tenth month.

Garuda Purana. 2.32.29

Michael Sweet and Leonard Zwilling have demonstrated in their studies of the medical, texts as well as the grammatical texts such as Patanjali’s Grammar of the 2nd century CE, that the concept of a third sex (tritiya prakrti) with all the ambiguous sub-categories of the “neuter” such as napumsaka, kliba, pandaka — “has been part of the Indian world view for nearly 3000 years.”

Jain teachers in the medieval period debated as to whether women could attain salvation or not . In their debates they argued that there were three categories of sexual desire — male, female and third-sex desire — the last was considered to be the most intense. All these forms of sexual desire could be experienced by anyone regardless of biological gender. The Jain philosopher Sakatayana (ca 814 — 867) pointed out that a person is capable of being aroused sexually by the opposite sex, same sex or even an animal.

Homosexuality is not mentioned per se in the Vedas but there are some interesting references to homo-eroticism. One is from the Kaushitaki Brahmana Upanishad 2:4 of the Rig Veda:—

“Now then the intense longing of love stimulated by the gods. When one (m) desires to be loved (priya) by a man or a woman or by men and women, he shall offer to the above mentioned gods oblations in the sacred fire”.

This is followed by the description of the ceremony to be performed. Another casual reference is from the Shatapatha Brahmana (2:4:4: 19): in which Mitra — the god of the day is said to implant his seed in Varuna the god of the night on the New Moon day.


Nammallvar a famous mystic poet saint of South India sang many of his 1000 devotional songs in the persona of a young woman pining for her lover — Lord Krishna. The songs are replete with erotic sentiment and during the great temple festival every year, an icon of Nammalvar is dressed as a woman and brought into the sanctum to be ritually united with her lover the Lord. Many other mystics such as Surdas and Kabir use the trope of bridal mysticism freely in their works. In the poems the male mystics typically use feminine verbs for themselves and address the male God as husband or lover or paramour. They identify as brides waiting for the bridegroom, as Radha waiting patiently for Krishna, a tryst which is never kept, and which results in intense love-sickness on the part of the poet.


Please read Manu smruthi
(Manu 11:174) (Manu 11:175)

I can not write in detail about these two paragraphs as they are too salacious.

Chapter 9 of the Kama Sutra is dedicated to oral sex in general with the major part dealing with this particular activity between men. Interestingly enough Vatsyayana also mentions that some people “marry” (parigraha) members of their own sex and live together either openly or in secret.

http://history-of-hinduism.blogspot.com/p/homosexuality-and-hinduism.html
 
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vijiseeni

Member
The extensive shadow under 377 is now cleared . This will create a feeling of self acknowledgement ,solace,certainty and pride among the lesbians, transgenders , gay marriage etc. Like many other outdated imperial relics, 377 was infringing one 's fundamental rights. De criminalising the act long back, would have at least saved many from disgrace in the past.
 

biswa

New member
It may be a blasphemy of Hinduism or not. But that is not the concern of the SC. India is a secular state and the court considers these matters separate from religion.

Of course any religious leader is free to issue fatwas if they feel like. It is up to the public to decide whether to listen to them.
 

Janaki Jambunathan

Well-known member
Indian lore is full of tales where men turn into women and women turn into men.
In the Valmiki Ramayana, there are descriptions of Rakshasa women who kiss women on Ravana's bed.
How does one interpret these stories? Are they gay stories? They certainly shatter the conventional confines of gender and sexuality.


The question before us is: does the human mind have the empathy to include gender and sexual ambiguity in civil society? It does. In every Yuga new rules come into being that redefine world order. Mahabharata mentions a Yuga when there was no marriage - women were free to go with any man they chose. This changed when Shvetaketu instituted marriage laws. We have lived through a Yuga where we left unchallenged laws of old imperial masters that dehumanised and invalidated sexual minorities. Hopefully now, this will change.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/how-indian-epics-broke-the-gender-binary/articleshow/65713443.cms
 

krish44

Well-known member
Since LGBT rights are decriminalised, they can breathe free without fearing policemen.

Only hetero sexuals might end up getting proposals from LGBTs which they might find difficult to turn down.

Going out in the capital in rajiv chowk late evenings , one might get a few proposals from free roaming LGBTs.LOL
 
Was the verdict against principles of Hinduism only?

Do other Religions endorse LGBT? I think it is not so?
Petitioners against decriminalization of homosexuality include Apostolic Alliance of Churches, Utkal Christian Council, Trust God Ministries - all christian orgs and also AIMPLB.

So yes.

And this decriminalization does not apply to muslim majority J&K state.

But as usual pseudo-liberals and pseudo-seculars are hailing this as a victory against regressive hinduism- ala this thread.

That is the tale of modern india.
 

CHANDRU1849

Well-known member
Petitioners against decriminalization of homosexuality include Apostolic Alliance of Churches, Utkal Christian Council, Trust God Ministries - all christian orgs and also AIMPLB.

So yes.

And this decriminalization does not apply to muslim majority J&K state.

But as usual pseudo-liberals and pseudo-seculars are hailing this as a victory against regressive hinduism- ala this thread.

That is the tale of modern india.
Is the judgement very specific that it relates to only Hindus and it’s a crime if people from other faiths involve in it?

Quite a lot of countries with Christian majority allowed it.
 

CHANDRU1849

Well-known member
These sexual orientations may be in existence from time immemorial, only difference is they may not be so open as it’s now.

Due to development of science and freedom of expression, so many new ideas and practices are in open. These are to be accepted.
 

tbs

Well-known member
hi

these things are generally okay with hinduism.....many temple gopuram structures paintings of these kind of sexual postures....

but i dont know how catholics/muslims accept it....many fatwas will come ...
 

prasad1

Well-known member
After historic Section 377 verdict, govt set to oppose same-sex marriage

A day after the Supreme Court read down Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, India’s lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer (LGBTQ) people say the next step in the legal fight will be for civil rights such as same-sex marriage, inheritance of property, and sharing insurance, among others.

But the Union government, which left it to the court to decide on section 377, has indicated that it is likely to oppose any petition for same-sex marriage.


“If equality of LGBTQ persons is now a fundamental right, then right to marry, bequeath property, share insurance (medical and life) are all part of this. We are asking for rights respect and dignity and it is unconstitutional and impudent to deny that. I am astounded at people who say that we cannot get these rights,” said Sunil Mehra, a petitioner in the section 377 case.


A government functionary, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said, “Decriminalisation of same-sex acts was fine but the government would oppose any demand to legalise same-sex marriage.”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/after-historic-section-377-verdict-govt-set-to-oppose-same-sex-marriage/story-usQCbLH8uawdZZQ8hueupL.html


you can't have your cake and eat it too
This phrase is easier to understand if it is read as "You can't eat your cake, and have it too". Obviously once you've eaten your cake, you won't have it any more. Used for expressing the impossibility of having something both ways, if those two ways conflict.
 

Vaagmi

Well-known member
Since LGBT rights are decriminalised, they can breathe free without fearing policemen.

Only hetero sexuals might end up getting proposals from LGBTs which they might find difficult to turn down.

Going out in the capital in rajiv chowk late evenings , one might get a few proposals from free roaming LGBTs.LOL
A pandora's box has been opened with the judgment.

Now the courts will have to define what is normal and what is abnormal in the relationship between two in dividuals when both are of same sex.

In such cases what is normal sex has to be clearly defined so that when a "rape" takes place law can take notice and act.

What is consent in such cases also has to be clearly stated in law.

I think the judges have overreached.
 

a-TB

Active member
A pandora's box has been opened with the judgment.

Now the courts will have to define what is normal and what is abnormal in the relationship between two in dividuals when both are of same sex.

In such cases what is normal sex has to be clearly defined so that when a "rape" takes place law can take notice and act.

What is consent in such cases also has to be clearly stated in law.

I think the judges have overreached.
The above post lacks logic and reflects a personal prejudice towards topics like LGBTQ.

Rape is when a NO is not listened to by an aggressor in the context of any sexual move. Courts do not have to define what sex is. A NO is a NO in any language in any context when sexual feelings are expressed . What is so hard to understand this?

Thank God (Narayana) that we did not have confused, narrow minded and prejudiced justices in the Supreme Court of India.

We need to be able to see human beings as human beings without regard to their, gender, caste, creed, race, gender orientation, etc etc. That to me is a mark of someone who is learned.
 

GNANA SUNYAM

Active member
The above post lacks logic and reflects a personal prejudice towards topics like LGBTQ.

Rape is when a NO is not listened to by an aggressor in the context of any sexual move. Courts do not have to define what sex is. A NO is a NO in any language in any context when sexual feelings are expressed . What is so hard to understand this?

Thank God (Narayana) that we did not have confused, narrow minded and prejudiced justices in the Supreme Court of India.

We need to be able to see human beings as human beings without regard to their, gender, caste, creed, race, gender orientation, etc etc. That to me is a mark of someone who is learned.
do you mean to say lgbtq is a natural/normal instinct?

do you mean to say there is nothing abnormal about lgbtq?

whatever is logic to you, would you extend it to a congenital relationship between human beings and animals?
 

GNANA SUNYAM

Active member
To all in this forum:

would you accept if your wife, mother, sister, for that matter any lady kith/kin announce she is lesbian?

would you accept if your husband, father, brother, for that matter any gent kith/kin announce he is gay?
 

GNANA SUNYAM

Active member
I was watching Times Now News channel on Saturday 8th Sep evening and there was a hosted group discussion on the recent decriminalisation of Art 377.

One of the guests in the group was narrating in detail about how she helped her gay son by understanding his feelings etc etc.

sad thing is her surname is 'Iyer'.
 
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