Is Ancient India over rated? A mind blowing analysis by Chinese

[vgane]

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There is no doubt that Indians excelled in arts, culture, science and mathematics..But it is a surprise to know that Kungfu was founded by a Prince of Kanchipuram!!

http://postcard.news/is-ancient-ind...chinese-professor-from-university-of-toronto/

 

[prasad1]

There is no doubt that Indians excelled in arts, culture, science and mathematics..But it is a surprise to know that Kungfu was founded by a Prince of Kanchipuram!!

http://postcard.news/is-ancient-ind...chinese-professor-from-university-of-toronto/

We have discussed it so many times, but you keep this misleading conversation. There was never a country called India before the British Rule. Indian subcontinent had various princely states, who were in constant battle with each other.

Ancient History is a mystery. There are various theories, but no definitive proofs.

 

[Jai Shankar]

There is no doubt that Indians excelled in arts, culture, science and mathematics..But it is a surprise to know that Kungfu was founded by a Prince of Kanchipuram!!

http://postcard.news/is-ancient-ind...chinese-professor-from-university-of-toronto/

Vganesh Ji,

Very informative, both Part I and II

Thanks for sharing.....

 

[vgane]

We have discussed it so many times, but you keep this misleading conversation. There was never a country called India before the British Rule. Indian subcontinent had various princely states, who were in constant battle with each other.

Ancient History is a mystery. There are various theories, but no definitive proofs.

You may even say no Hindu, no culture, no philosophy!! What proof do you want? Shows the psyche in you!! Paranoid about anything relating to ancient achievements of Indians!!

 

[prasad1]

You may even say no Hindu, no culture, no philosophy!! What proof do you want? Shows the psyche in you!! Paranoid about anything relating to ancient achievements of Indians!!

No a seeker of truth and speak against all untruth.
You make up stories because you seem to have an inferiority complex (not a medical opinion).
If you did not have this complex you do not have to claim totally baseless theories about a non-existing country.

 

[prasad1]

It was on August 15, 1947 that, in accordance with the British Parliament’s India Independence Act of July 18, 1947, the Union of India and Pakistan were created from the former “British India” that had been a part of the British Empire.



The formal process that led to Indian independence began with a report that the British government issued on May 16, 1946, which recommended the formation of an interim government in India to devise a constitution as part of a process by which India would achieve independence from Great Britain. An Interim Government of India was formed on September 2, 1946.



There never was a country called India before that date.

 

[renuka]

There is no doubt that Indians excelled in arts, culture, science and mathematics..But it is a surprise to know that Kungfu was founded by a Prince of Kanchipuram!!

http://postcard.news/is-ancient-ind...chinese-professor-from-university-of-toronto/

Why surprise?

Actor Surya acted in a movie as Pallava Prince Bodhidharma who brought Kung Fu to China.

But history says Bodhidharma was blue eyed.
Wonder what was the genetic heritage of the Pallavas cos blue eyes is a recessive gene.

 

[renuka]

The fact is there was no ancient India as a country we know now.

It was made up of many kingdoms.

So it would only be accurate to say achievements and advancements for a particular geographical regions.

Best test is to ask ourselves today...everyone is only concerned about their own community and look upon other communities as totally alien from them.though DNA will prove otherwise.

So do we really think anyone of us are having Vasudhaiva Kutumbukam mindset?

The answer is evident.

 

[zebra16]

The fact is there was no ancient India as a country we know now.

It was made up of many kingdoms.

So it would only be accurate to say achievements and advancements for a particular geographical regions.

Best test is to ask ourselves today...everyone is only concerned about their own community and look upon other communities as totally alien from them.though DNA will prove otherwise.

So do we really think anyone of us are having Vasudhaiva Kutumbukam mindset?

The answer is evident.

I do not think what you say is wholly true.

Why do you think people categorize Achievers nation-wise and also community-wise? We keep hearing about Nobel Winners and their classification as Jewish Scientists (notably Einstein) and go gaga to say that many of them are Israeli Scientists or Jewish Scientists, even though most of the Nobel Prize awardees were citizens of another country rather than their country of birth at the time of award. Similar is the case of Greek mathematicians and European mathematicians.

The concept of nation state is quite new and evolved only in the 15th century says Wikepedia and one cant throw away the achievements of the previous centuries in the dustbin just because that concept of nation state was non existent.

BY extention of your logic PaNini was a foreigner as far as Yajnavalkya and Kalidasa were concerned!!.

Culture used to be binding force and still is and appears to be stronger than nationhood. Otherwise why would You and Prasad1 being citizens of other sovereign countries be spending quite a bit of time at this Indian portal?

I was also taken in by these arguments of Sri Sangom in the past and Sri Prasad1 in the present that there was no unified country prior to 1947 but find that their arguments do not hold much water. In fact I had come across the timeline video of India through ages and find that what Sri Vgane is more logical though I do not give any credence to the article about Kung Fu being founded by Prince of Kamcheepuram.

Just google for "Pakistani History" to know about how much of mental gymnastics and academic acrobatics that they have to do to attach themselves to Arab History and disown Hindu ancestry.

 

[tbs]

hii

i think...sometimes our history is exaagerated....over rated too...

 

[zebra16]

You may even say no Hindu, no culture, no philosophy!! What proof do you want? Shows the psyche in you!! Paranoid about anything relating to ancient achievements of Indians!!

I agree with this post of yours and you are not the one who is misleading the conversation. The concept of nation-state was not existent in the olden days and it would appear that the population could move about freely from country to country or from one kingdom to another, without restriction unless he/she was on the "look out" list of an enemy country.

Culture and language were the binding forces before this concept of Nation State, thats why you would find pANini who resided in ancient GandhAra (present day Afghanistan) writing treatise on Sanskrit Grammar, kAlidasa residing at Ujjain composed poems in Sanskrit comforming to PANinian grammar and Yajnvalkya gave us Brihad-Arankya upaniSad again in Sanskrit being located at Mithila.

Culture and language was the glue that held together people of same tribe or ethnicity or race before this concept of nation state was born and it is this glue that induces Sri Prasad1 to spend some part of his daily routine at this site which is foreign to him if only citizenship of a country is reckoned.

You will be criticized as Hindu Supremacist if instead of calling pre-1947 people of Indian sub continent as Hindus rather than Indians. Well, some arguments just cant be won.

As you are good at googling, I would like you to google for a you-tube video (I saw it about 2-3 months back) which gives the timeline of India right from Stone Age. I cant lay my hand on it right now.

Having said all this, I am quite skeptical of Prince of Kancheepuram as founder of Kung Fu and Post-card news is not authentic in most of the cases.

 

[renuka]

Ok Kung Fu Panda is Indian !!LOL

 

[zebra16]

It was on August 15, 1947 that, in accordance with the British Parliament’s India Independence Act of July 18, 1947, the Union of India and Pakistan were created from the former “British India” that had been a part of the British Empire.



The formal process that led to Indian independence began with a report that the British government issued on May 16, 1946, which recommended the formation of an interim government in India to devise a constitution as part of a process by which India would achieve independence from Great Britain. An Interim Government of India was formed on September 2, 1946.



There never was a country called India before that date.

Only partially true. Much before Aug 1947, many parts of then India (small kingdoms if you would like to call you that) had fallen under DIRECT ADMINISTRATION of British and was known as BRITISH INDIA. Many maps of British India depicting different time periods of British administration are available on google.

This is the excerpt from Wikipedia on the subject:

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Company rule in Bengal from 1793, however, ended with the Government of India Act 1858 following the events of the BengalRebellion of 1857.[SUP][4][/SUP] From then known as British India, it was thereafter directly ruled by the British Crown as a colonial possession of the United Kingdom, and India was officially known after 1876 as the Indian Empire.[SUP][5][/SUP] India was divided into British India, regions that were directly administered by the British, with Acts established and passed in British Parliament,[SUP][6][/SUP] and the Princely States,[SUP][7][/SUP] that were ruled by local rulers of different ethnic backgrounds. These rulers were allowed a measure of internal autonomy in exchange for British suzerainty. British India constituted a significant portion of India both in area and population; in 1910, for example, it covered approximately 54% of the area and included over 77% of the population.[SUP][8][/SUP] In addition, there were Portuguese and French exclaves in India. Independence from British rule was achieved in 1947 with the formation of two nations, the Dominions of India and Pakistan, the latter also including East Bengal, present-day Bangladesh.

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Would there be a Government of India Act 1858, if there was NEVER a country called India before 1947?

 

[Jai Shankar]

Would there be a Government of India Act 1858, if there was NEVER a country called India before 1947?

:thumb:

 

[prasad1]

Only partially true. Much before Aug 1947, many parts of then India (small kingdoms if you would like to call you that) had fallen under DIRECT ADMINISTRATION of British and was known as BRITISH INDIA.

Would there be a Government of India Act 1858, if there was NEVER a country called India before 1947?

Confusing the Independent India with British India.
The various Princely states who were operating in Indian Subcontinent did not form a Union called India.
So emotionally some may aggrandize all the achievements of people of this region, but technically that is wrong.
If Mauryan empire under King Ashok created a Stupa, we can not say India created a Stupa in 230 BCE.

Yes everybody distorts history, but that does not make it ok.

 

[Heritage India]

Sir this Puniya Bhoomi has much much more than what we can ever imagine

 

[Raji Ram]

Courtesy - Google images.

This map shows areas ruled by kings in B C E!!

Even if we agree that the name India was 'GIVEN' only in 1947, to which country do the people who lived in

THIS part of the world - before 1947 - belong to? Were they NOT from India?

BTW, when did the INDIAN OCEAN get its name? Any answers? :ear:

 

[Raji Ram]

This post is specially for Prasad Sir!

We all know that we have to do 'thOppukkaraNam' when we pray Lord Vinayaka.

See who talks about it? -Rita Hutchins

Super Brain Yoga - Youtube

 

[renuka]

Is only India Punyabhoomi?
Then wont God be a partial God that He chooses only one Country to be Punyabhoomi.

That way Muslims claim Saudi Arabia esp Makkah is Punyabhoomi and Christians claim Jerusalem is Punyabhoomi.

So who is right?

God can not and should not be partial.
The entire Loka and Samastha is Gods creation..so everything is Punyabhoomi.

After all mantras talk about Bhur Bhuva Svah..
No mention of any one specific country.

Is there any evidence in any Sanathana Dharma text that India alone is Punyabhoomi?
Can anyone furnish me with evidence please?

I feel all concept of Punyabhoomi is man made.

 

[sravna]

Renuka,

There may be truth that India is punyabhoomi. Spirituality is not as deep rooted in other countries as in India. West is more of rational thinking . May be you can call those countries buddhibhoomi. It is not that one is superior and the other is inferior. Evolution happens when one practices spirituality or rationality.

 

[Heritage India]

If Indeed there was No Country called India where was Columbus headed ?, didn't he set upon a journey to discover a country called India or was he searching for some princely states Columbus never admitted that he had reached a continent previously unknown to Europeans, rather than the East Indies for which he had set course. He called the inhabitants of the lands that he visited indios (Spanish for "Indians")
The Portuguese India Armadas (Armadas da Índia) were the fleets of ships, organized by the crown of the Kingdom of Portugal and dispatched on an annual basis from Portugalto India, principally Goa. These armadas undertook what is sometimes called the Carreira da Índia ("India Run"), following the sea route around the Cape of Good Hope first opened up by Vasco da Gama in 1497–1499.

 

[Heritage India]

Mrs Renuka Madam,
A brief on " Puniya Bhoomi" Why India was called "Puniya Bhoomi"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzxGhZDsqPs&t=14s

 

[Raji Ram]

Why surprise?

Actor Surya acted in a movie as Pallava Prince Bodhidharma who brought Kung Fu to China...........

Yeah, Renu. The movie is 'EzhAm aRivu'.

I that movie and its theme.

 

[Raji Ram]

India might have been a PuNya bhoomi, once up on a time! :hail:

Now, we can't say so, with this kind of politicians 'ruling' our country!! :doh:

 

[renuka]

Renuka,

There may be truth that India is punyabhoomi. Spirituality is not as deep rooted in other countries as in India. West is more of rational thinking . May be you can call those countries buddhibhoomi. It is not that one is superior and the other is inferior. Evolution happens when one practices spirituality or rationality.

I disagree Sravna..I stayed in India for 5 and a half years..Yes people do pray a lot but that does not mean they are more spiritual.

I have come across many who pray yet dont speak the truth.

Also those who never fail to do any prayer yet cheat others.

I dont see anything extra special..coruption is also very high even though these very same people will do poojas.

So if you ask me there is not much difference from any other 3rd world country in the world.

Rationality is a an accepted way of thinking.
Spirituality isnt about hocus pocus sans rationality.

Spirituality as its marketed today is nothing but abandoning logic.

God surely didnt want that.