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Interacts marriages

vijiseeni

Member
Intercaste marriages

Intercaste marriages are good for the health of Indians. As per the Harward Scientist's claim in his recent book "Who we are and how we got here" , under the chapters about India, he says that certain types of genetic diseases arise because of endogamy- either because people marry close relatives or they have decended from common ancestors. The survey says south Indian states have higher inter caste marriages rate . Around 70 generations ago , Indians stopped inter caste marrying and created endogenous group.
Source : Nitin Pai @Director , Taksha shila institution
 
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GNANA SUNYAM

Active member
Intercaste marriages are good for the health of Indians. As per the Harward Scientist's claim in his recent book "Who we are and how we got here" , under the chapters about India, he says that certain types of genetic diseases arise because of endogamy- either because people marry close relatives or they have decrnded from common ancestors. The survey says south Indian states have higher inter caste marriages rate . Around 70 generations ago , Indians stopped inter marrying and created endogenous group.
Source : Nitin Pai @Director , Taksha shila institution
dear sir,

the hindu society unlike the other society was divided into varnas based on gunas.

people in the same varna chose to marry among themselves so that the same gunas are passed on through the genes to the progeny and gunas are retained within the community. the intra-varna marriages were nevertheless very healthy

the others, the christian-society, the muslim-society etc, were not intelligent enough to discover this fact and hence were not divided into varnas. it is mostly the people from other non-varna societies, like this harvard scientist, make claims which hardly have rationale.
 

prasad1

Well-known member
We have discussed inter-caste marriage so many times that there is fatigue among senior members.
So I am not going into that topic.

Social stratification
is a kind of social differentiation whereby a society groups people into socioeconomic strata, based upon their occupation and income, wealth and social status, or derived power (social and political). As such, stratification is the relative social position of persons within a social group, category, geographic region, or social unit.


In modern Western societies, social stratification typically is distinguished as three social classes: (i) the upper class, (ii) the middle class, and (iii) the lower class; in turn, each class can be subdivided into strata, e.g. the upper-stratum, the middle-stratum, and the lower stratum. Moreover, a social stratum can be formed upon the bases of kinship, clan, tribe or caste, or all four.


The categorization of people by social strata occurs in all societies, ranging from the complex, state-based or polycentric societies to tribaland feudal societies, which are based upon socio-economic relations among classes of nobility and classes of peasants. Historically, whether or not hunter-gatherer societies can be defined as socially stratified or if social stratification began with agriculture and common acts of social exchange, remains a debated matter in the social sciences. Determining the structures of social stratification arises from inequalities of status among persons, therefore, the degree of social inequality determines a person's social stratum. Generally, the greater the social complexity of a society, the more social strata exist, by way of social differentiation.

Every society was stratified.

In the Middle Ages, there was a definite structure in society. You were born into a class of people and generally stayed in that class for your entire life. Working hard did not change your status. Your clothing, food, marriage, homes, etc., were determined for you. After the rank of king, the hierarchy was the nobles, the knights, the clergy (religious people), the tradesmen and the peasants.

A family surname, or last name, is the part of a person’s name that indicates to what family a person belongs. In the Middle Ages, surnames often were derived from a person’s occupation. Examples include Miller, Smith, Cooper, Fletcher, Driver, Skinner, Tanner, Hunter, etc..

https://westernreservepublicmedia.org/middleages/feud_tradesmen.htm

In Ancient Indian subcontinent (Specifically not India as India was not born yet), too we had this kind of division. It is practiced in certain form even today.

The later justification of Guna based Caste system was a band-aid on a putrified, but still maintained caste system.

Throw in Viswamitra to show that there was mobility within caste, which is a complete lie.

Even today the caste system is the life of normal Indians. Except for some changes taking place in, metro cities and also some of the trades are disappearing. This caste system has nothing to do with guna or profession, it is strictly birth based.
It is even codified in the Indian constitution for reservation purpose.

Take my case:

I am a born brahmin (as both my parents were brahmins).
I was an Engineer so by profession I was shudra.
I am a businessman so I am Vaisya.
I would have joined the army I would be a Kshatriya.

Some in this site call me by other names so I am pariah too.

What caste am I, I really do not know.
I have a little bit of Satwa, a little bit of Rajas, and a little bit of Tamas.

The North American Brahmin society invited me, North American Vaisya society apologized that they
can not invite me.
I became a member of India Association.


There are people in this site who are not born brahmin but have a lot more of Satwa, I think they should be classified as Brahmin, but they are not looking for a handout, so they do not care for labels.


I am sorry to burst your bubble
We may not be the first one, or original
intelligent
one.

 
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tbs

Well-known member
We have discussed inter-caste marriage so many times that there is fatigue among senior members.
So I am not going into that topic.

Social stratification
is a kind of social differentiation whereby a society groups people into socioeconomic strata, based upon their occupation and income, wealth and social status, or derived power (social and political). As such, stratification is the relative social position of persons within a social group, category, geographic region, or social unit.


In modern Western societies, social stratification typically is distinguished as three social classes: (i) the upper class, (ii) the middle class, and (iii) the lower class; in turn, each class can be subdivided into strata, e.g. the upper-stratum, the middle-stratum, and the lower stratum. Moreover, a social stratum can be formed upon the bases of kinship, clan, tribe or caste, or all four.


The categorization of people by social strata occurs in all societies, ranging from the complex, state-based or polycentric societies to tribaland feudal societies, which are based upon socio-economic relations among classes of nobility and classes of peasants. Historically, whether or not hunter-gatherer societies can be defined as socially stratified or if social stratification began with agriculture and common acts of social exchange, remains a debated matter in the social sciences. Determining the structures of social stratification arises from inequalities of status among persons, therefore, the degree of social inequality determines a person's social stratum. Generally, the greater the social complexity of a society, the more social strata exist, by way of social differentiation.

Every society was stratified.

In the Middle Ages, there was a definite structure in society. You were born into a class of people and generally stayed in that class for your entire life. Working hard did not change your status. Your clothing, food, marriage, homes, etc., were determined for you. After the rank of king, the hierarchy was the nobles, the knights, the clergy (religious people), the tradesmen and the peasants.

A family surname, or last name, is the part of a person’s name that indicates to what family a person belongs. In the Middle Ages, surnames often were derived from a person’s occupation. Examples include Miller, Smith, Cooper, Fletcher, Driver, Skinner, Tanner, Hunter, etc..

https://westernreservepublicmedia.org/middleages/feud_tradesmen.htm

In Ancient Indian subcontinent (Specifically not India as India was not born yet), too we had this kind of division. It is practiced in certain form even today.

The later justification of Guna based Caste system was a band-aid on a putrified, but still maintained caste system.

Throw in Viswamitra to show that there was mobility within caste, which is a complete lie.

Even today the caste system is the life of normal Indians. Except for some changes taking place in, metro cities and also some of the trades are disappearing. This caste system has nothing to do with guna or profession, it is strictly birth based.
It is even codified in the Indian constitution for reservation purpose.

Take my case:

I am a born brahmin (as both my parents were brahmins).
I was an Engineer so by profession I was shudra.
I am a businessman so I am Vaisya.
I would have joined the army I would be a Kshatriya.

Some in this site call me by other names so I am pariah too.

What caste am I, I really do not know.
I have a little bit of Satwa, a little bit of Rajas, and a little bit of Tamas.

The North American Brahmin society invited me, North American Vaisya society apologized that they
can not invite me.
I became a member of India Association.


There are people in this site who are not born brahmin but have a lot more of Satwa, I think they should be classified as Brahmin, but they are not looking for a handout, so they do not care for labels.


I am sorry to burst your bubble
We may not be the first one, or original
one.

hi

in my case....

i was born in brahmin family....so im brahmin...

i served in the army....so im kshatriya

i work with business....so im vaisya....

i worked as servant .....so im sudra too...

so i did all varnas in this janma toooo....

janmana jayate brhmanaha....karmana tu sudraha...
 

prasad1

Well-known member
hi

in my case....

i was born in brahmin family....so im brahmin...

i served in the army....so im kshatriya

i work with business....so im vaisya....

i worked as servant .....so im sudra too...

so i did all varnas in this janma toooo....

janmana jayate brhmanaha....karmana tu sudraha...
:first:

You studied in vedapatsala, and you are good in Sanskrit, So you are much more than mere caste labels.
 

tbs

Well-known member
:first:

You studied in vedapatsala, and you are good in Sanskrit, So you are much more than mere caste labels.
hi sir,

thanks so much ....but being vedapatasala student...im an army veteran tooo...im an army pensioner...its rare for brahmin and

kshatriya character...
 

CHANDRU1849

Well-known member
Varna of Vedic period seized to exist long back, and in its place came Castes, developed by Govts. with the tag of economics.

A Brahmin can move around various varnas but his economic status is a fixed one, from Govt's point of view.

Hence, castes will stay as long as reservation is in vogue.
 

tbs

Well-known member
hi

all varnashramas based on high school certificate/caste certificate issued by govt ...
 

renuka

Well-known member
dear sir,

the hindu society unlike the other society was divided into varnas based on gunas.

people in the same varna chose to marry among themselves so that the same gunas are passed on through the genes to the progeny and gunas are retained within the community. the intra-varna marriages were nevertheless very healthy

the others, the christian-society, the muslim-society etc, were not intelligent enough to discover this fact and hence were not divided into varnas. it is mostly the people from other non-varna societies, like this harvard scientist, make claims which hardly have rationale.
Surprisingly some though " intelligent" still claim transmigration of soul is not true but some souls are eternally save!
 

renuka

Well-known member
Someone of another religion recently asked me why Hindus say everything is God as in pervaded by God but then go on to divide yourselves on a birth based or Guna based system...then after dividing human beings Hindus proceed to honour a cow and also pray to non human " gods" like a monkey and a snake.
Why so much disconnect in your religion?
 

zebra16

Well-known member
Someone of another religion recently asked me why Hindus say everything is God as in pervaded by God but then go on to divide yourselves on a birth based or Guna based system...then after dividing human beings Hindus proceed to honour a cow and also pray to non human " gods" like a monkey and a snake.
Why so much disconnect in your religion?
This is just "whataboutery" type of argument of that someone of different religion, just as we find many people joining "save the tiger", 'save the puppy", "save the whale", "save your pet" stuff, but also slaughter millions of turkeys on thanks giving day and kill cows, goats, sheep, chicken etc. all through the year.

It does not take even a single moment to realize division of people (logical/illogical, class/caste based, religious/social condition based) has NOTHING to do with praying to a tree, to a stone, to an image or to a formless one. This point of asking why Hindus pray to animals like cow, monkey is to deflect attention from their own irrationality of throwing stones/pebbles at the supposed devil at Mecca , or Abraham throwing seven stones at the disappearing devil or praying to a man who could not save himself. At least in that respect Hinduism is better off in that God/s of popular narrative have been victors and not the vanquished like in some instances of other religion and it is left to the said religionists to protect their Gods.

The very concept of PBUH is funny but then we never rise to question these types of stupidity. An irrational stuff is ab initio irrational whether by a Hindu or by anyone else.
 

CHANDRU1849

Well-known member
Someone of another religion recently asked me why Hindus say everything is God as in pervaded by God but then go on to divide yourselves on a birth based or Guna based system...then after dividing human beings Hindus proceed to honour a cow and also pray to non human " gods" like a monkey and a snake.
Why so much disconnect in your religion?
Did u not ask that 'someone' whether Abrahamic Religions are free of divisions and are not fighting each other for supremacy and sometimes for nothing?

Zebra's reply has validity and can be shown to the 'someone'. He may relish or even switch over.
 

Raji Ram

Well-known member
Dear Renu,

I attended a wedding in our friend's family, who belong to another religion.

One group was refused bread and wine ( body and blood of their Lord!) when distributed.

Please tell that 'someone' that divisions exist in every faith! :decision:
 

renuka

Well-known member
Did u not ask that 'someone' whether Abrahamic Religions are free of divisions and are not fighting each other for supremacy and sometimes for nothing?

Zebra's reply has validity and can be shown to the 'someone'. He may relish or even switch over.
I didnt tell or ask anything..I just heard the person.
The person proceeded to ask " why do you even stay in such a religion?"

To which I replied " to you yours to me mine..no.compulsion in religion"

Well..if you quote their text..they cant argue anymore! Lol
 

CHANDRU1849

Well-known member
Though all Religions have their grey areas and dark shades, Hindus generally are not retaliating or expose the black spots of other Religions, whenever Hinduism is questioned or criticized. Hindus are very submissive.

Are dietary restrictions the main reason?
 

Raji Ram

Well-known member
All Hindus are NOT vegetarians!

Many Brahmins have started eating non-veg stuff.

So, diet may have nothing to do with submissive nature of the Hindus.

BTW, tambrahms accept intercast sons in law and daughters in law more

easily than other Hindus! We hear about many honour killings by non-brahms,

when their son / daughter choose the spouse from a very low caste.
 

renuka

Well-known member
Though all Religions have their grey areas and dark shades, Hindus generally are not retaliating or expose the black spots of other Religions, whenever Hinduism is questioned or criticized. Hindus are very submissive.

Are dietary restrictions the main reason?

I might be a vegetarian but that doesn't mean I am submissive.

At times one does not need to retaliate to win a debate.

I merely quoted the person's text and the person had to remain silent.

My aim is never to find fault with any religion as each religion has rites and rituals of their own...even though I might not agree with most of it.

Some stone the Devil and and some burn the effigy of Ravan...so what is the big difference?

This is just human psychology of "Good triumphs over Evil"

Some call others with various shades of Gunas and even attach a Gene theory to it..and others choose to call some others Kafirs/Infidels.

Some choose to worship a person who died on their cross and so,others feel he couldnt save himself but at the same time the act of King Sibi is seen as a sacrifice for Dharma...Dadhichi too is extolled for his sacrifice.

Some feel they need to say PBUH to wish well for their messenger..others fall on the feet of Gurus and worship their Alwars...What does Om Shanti Shanti Shanthih mean? Peace Peace Peace.

It all depends how we look at it..each person feels they are right and the other religion is wrong.

I left that sort of thinking long back not too sure if I ever had too much of it before but I might come down harsh on my own religious practices if I feel it is unfair to us Hindus cos as a Hindu I know we have our grey matter intact to changes to delete and improvise our religion...a function which is not always welcomed in any other religion.


So my submissiveness has nothing got to do with me being vegetarian..cos I am still skilled and trained to detached a human body piece by piece.
 
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CHANDRU1849

Well-known member
All Hindus are NOT vegetarians!

Many Brahmins have started eating non-veg stuff.

So, diet may have nothing to do with submissive nature of the Hindus.

BTW, tambrahms accept intercast sons in law and daughters in law more

easily than other Hindus! We hear about many honour killings by non-brahms,

when their son / daughter choose the spouse from a very low caste.
Tambrahms accept inter caste marriages easily may be due to 1. inherent cawardness and 2. lack of support from community.

Honour killings may not be proper but it exhibits how serious is the community in protecting the image.

Do Tambrahms accept wholeheartedly IR marriages? No but there is no other way.

Dietary restrictions of considerable period, coupled with relating each and everything to God and Fate might have forced the community to accept silently without fight.
 

prasad1

Well-known member
I might be a vegetarian but that doesn't mean I am submissive.

At times one does not need to retaliate to win a debate.



So my submissiveness has nothing got to do with me being vegetarian..cos I am still skilled and trained to detached a human body piece by piece.

Well said Renuka.
 
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