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Indian scientists slam ancient Hindu 'stem cell' claim

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
There is a post in the religious section claiming falsely that Kauravas were born by cloning.
The Indian Scientific Congress Association expressed "serious concern" as the unorthodox remarks aired by prominent academics at its annual conference attracted condemnation and ridicule.

The distinguished gathering of Indian researchers and scientists hosts Nobel laureates, but in recent years has seen Hindu mythology and faith-based theories edging onto the agenda.

At this year's congress, the head of a southern Indian university cited an ancient Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered on the subcontinent thousands of years ago.

Event organisers tried to hose down the remarks, saying it was "unfortunate" the prestigious event had been derailed by controversy.

"We don't subscribe to their views and distance ourselves from their comments. This is unfortunate," Premendu P. Mathur, general secretary of Indian Scientific Congress Association, told AFP.

"There is a serious concern about such kind of utterances by responsible people."

The Breakthrough Science Society, an Indian-based educational charity, said it was "astounded and even horrified" at the remarks made at an academic summit.

"Puranic verses and epics are poetic, enjoyable, contain moral elements and rich in imagination but not scientifically constructed or validated theories," the group said in a statement Sunday.

"Such a hallowed assembly of scientists has been misused to make false and chauvinistic claims about ancient India."

 

Janaki Jambunathan

Well-known member
vasudaiva kutumbakam- the world is one family...(#2)

Tamil Nadu government is taking Rs.10 Crore from temple money for CM funds but at the same time giving free rice to mosques for Ramzan using government money! Is taking money from one religion and giving to other religion secularism?

Brotherhood ? Robin Hood!

கஞ்சி வரதப்பா -- எங்கு வருதப்பா ?

தொப்புளுக்கு மேல கஞ்சி!

What happens to the கஞ்சி when people can not congregate in Mosques!

Liberals may ponder!
 

jaythakar

Member
There is a post in the religious section claiming falsely that Kauravas were born by cloning.
The Indian Scientific Congress Association expressed "serious concern" as the unorthodox remarks aired by prominent academics at its annual conference attracted condemnation and ridicule.

The distinguished gathering of Indian researchers and scientists hosts Nobel laureates, but in recent years has seen Hindu mythology and faith-based theories edging onto the agenda.

At this year's congress, the head of a southern Indian university cited an ancient Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered on the subcontinent thousands of years ago.

Event organisers tried to hose down the remarks, saying it was "unfortunate" the prestigious event had been derailed by controversy.

"We don't subscribe to their views and distance ourselves from their comments. This is unfortunate," Premendu P. Mathur, general secretary of Indian Scientific Congress Association, told AFP.

"There is a serious concern about such kind of utterances by responsible people."

The Breakthrough Science Society, an Indian-based educational charity, said it was "astounded and even horrified" at the remarks made at an academic summit.

"Puranic verses and epics are poetic, enjoyable, contain moral elements and rich in imagination but not scientifically constructed or validated theories," the group said in a statement Sunday.

"Such a hallowed assembly of scientists has been misused to make false and chauvinistic claims about ancient India."

This news is from last year...
January 6, 2019
Indian scientists slam ancient Hindu 'stem cell' claim

I wonder how and why it got prominence now?
 

jaythakar

Member
And what a perfect copycat our right wing sanghis are...

The evil nazis first glorified the past and claimed to descend from the so called most superior Aryan rave and then via systematic propaganda targeted Jews as lesser people and branded them as evil leading to the deadly concentration camps and pogrom.

Our sanghis are doing exactly the same copy book by book, step by step glorifying the past with nonsensical claims and branding Muslims as evil , maligning the glorious mughal rule, systematic propaganda on media against the Muslims and their organisations....demolishing mosques, communal hate speeches and riots, and oh ....not to forget the unpredented detention cebters planned for the migrant Muslims..

And like the Germans who cheered the torture of Jews, our bakthas are cheering the lampooning of the Muslims...all in the name of our Hindu religion...the very foundation is vasudaiva kutumbakam- the world is one family...

farcical and tragic...
...
.....and branding Muslims as evil , maligning the glorious mughal rule, systematic propaganda It seems that you are in support of Mughal rule and its glory....what a hug wash and stupid statement.
 
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prasad1

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
This news is from last year...
January 6, 2019
Indian scientists slam ancient Hindu 'stem cell' claim

I wonder how and why it got prominence now?


You are right, I did not claim that my post was original. But if you care to read my opening statement it would have been clear why I had to quote this year-old statement.

There is a new thread in the Religion section about cloning. I wanted to refute that statement.

Do you get it now?

Moreover, in this forum for some reason, we keep meandering to a different topic in the same thread. Sometimes we get lost, but then someone will pull us back.
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
I seriously feel some are stuck in time!
There is so much going on now,with no country able to find a cure for Covid-19 yet all we see online is how glorious the past was from cloning to space crafts etc.

God knows why with so much emphasis on meditation and mindfulness in India yet no one prefers to be in the present moment.
Even Gurujis/Swamijis too though they teach all sorts of kriyas/mudras/meditation etc yet they too live in the past.

Its so ghost like to be stuck in the past and unable to come out of that matrix and relive the past day after day that reality of the present is forgotten or ignored.
Its like having post traumatic stress syndrome where one relives the past and suffers.

Past glory wont make anyone be stuck in the past...only past trauma makes one be stuck in the past.
Past glory would be imbibed in our lifestyle and we would be a living example of it and not keep lamenting about anything.

Who cares if the past had cloning and the Kauravas were 100 of them after their psychotic mother threw the lump of the 100 against a wall because she was jealous that Kunti got pregnant first in apparent induced abortion?

What kind of female was Gandhari?
She is praised for blindfolding her eyes to match her visually impaired husband yet she decides to abort her pregnancy and fling the product of conception on a wall?
Man! She really had issues.

So whats the big deal who cloned the 100 later when the mother herself was psychotic?

Does all these really matter?
So what if the past was great?

The present isnt!
 
There is a post in the religious section claiming falsely that Kauravas were born by cloning.
The Indian Scientific Congress Association expressed "serious concern" as the unorthodox remarks aired by prominent academics at its annual conference attracted condemnation and ridicule.

The distinguished gathering of Indian researchers and scientists hosts Nobel laureates, but in recent years has seen Hindu mythology and faith-based theories edging onto the agenda.

At this year's congress, the head of a southern Indian university cited an ancient Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered on the subcontinent thousands of years ago.

Event organisers tried to hose down the remarks, saying it was "unfortunate" the prestigious event had been derailed by controversy.

"We don't subscribe to their views and distance ourselves from their comments. This is unfortunate," Premendu P. Mathur, general secretary of Indian Scientific Congress Association, told AFP.

"There is a serious concern about such kind of utterances by responsible people."

The Breakthrough Science Society, an Indian-based educational charity, said it was "astounded and even horrified" at the remarks made at an academic summit.

"Puranic verses and epics are poetic, enjoyable, contain moral elements and rich in imagination but not scientifically constructed or validated theories," the group said in a statement Sunday.

"Such a hallowed assembly of scientists has been misused to make false and chauvinistic claims about ancient India."

 

gk2468

gkkk343
There is a post in the religious section claiming falsely that Kauravas were born by cloning.
The Indian Scientific Congress Association expressed "serious concern" as the unorthodox remarks aired by prominent academics at its annual conference attracted condemnation and ridicule.

The distinguished gathering of Indian researchers and scientists hosts Nobel laureates, but in recent years has seen Hindu mythology and faith-based theories edging onto the agenda.

At this year's congress, the head of a southern Indian university cited an ancient Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered on the subcontinent thousands of years ago.

Event organisers tried to hose down the remarks, saying it was "unfortunate" the prestigious event had been derailed by controversy.

"We don't subscribe to their views and distance ourselves from their comments. This is unfortunate," Premendu P. Mathur, general secretary of Indian Scientific Congress Association, told AFP.

"There is a serious concern about such kind of utterances by responsible people."

The Breakthrough Science Society, an Indian-based educational charity, said it was "astounded and even horrified" at the remarks made at an academic summit.

"Puranic verses and epics are poetic, enjoyable, contain moral elements and rich in imagination but not scientifically constructed or validated theories," the group said in a statement Sunday.

"Such a hallowed assembly of scientists has been misused to make false and chauvinistic claims about ancient India."

I seriously feel some are stuck in time!
There is so much going on now,with no country able to find a cure for Covid-19 yet all we see online is how glorious the past was from cloning to space crafts etc.

God knows why with so much emphasis on meditation and mindfulness in India yet no one prefers to be in the present moment.
Even Gurujis/Swamijis too though they teach all sorts of kriyas/mudras/meditation etc yet they too live in the past.

Its so ghost like to be stuck in the past and unable to come out of that matrix and relive the past day after day that reality of the present is forgotten or ignored.
Its like having post traumatic stress syndrome where one relives the past and suffers.

Past glory wont make anyone be stuck in the past...only past trauma makes one be stuck in the past.
Past glory would be imbibed in our lifestyle and we would be a living example of it and not keep lamenting about anything.

Who cares if the past had cloning and the Kauravas were 100 of them after their psychotic mother threw the lump of the 100 against a wall because she was jealous that Kunti got pregnant first in apparent induced abortion?

What kind of female was Gandhari?
She is praised for blindfolding her eyes to match her visually impaired husband yet she decides to abort her pregnancy and fling the product of conception on a wall?
Man! She really had issues.

So whats the big deal who cloned the 100 later when the mother herself was psychotic?

Does all these really matter?
So what if the past was great?

The present isnt!
 

gk2468

gkkk343
It is really suprising as some one mentioned above ,all of a sudden whý there is a discussion on something irrevelant to present.Same being emphathised as irrevelant to present situation by some membert.Remember our anciant people has long before invented so called modern marvels today.Is it not our FUTURE is the result of the PRESENT ,being the product of the PAST? Here you can take past may be your actions ,thought processes,life,or EVEN previous births + or - if you so believe.But the from the same so called the brillant scientist(unfortunately due to human beings' desire to have more & more leading to more and more inventions,comforts ending in same human beings' destruction ,INSPITE OF THE FACT THAT IN OUR COUNTRY STILL WE HAVE BPL WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE EVEN ONE TIMEFOOD,SMALL PLACE TO LIVE AS WELL A JOB OR OPPORTUNITY FOR THIER SURVIVAL.) mere survival itself possible.Unfortunately we as human being always habituated waste our time in trival things like this and to look above then down.so as madam rightly said,when got so many problems around us today including Corona,and day to day life problems,is it necessry to have the is discussions to continue after a gap ,leading to nothing but waste of time.
 

kamu

Member
vasudaiva kutumbakam- the world is one family...(#2)

Tamil Nadu government is taking Rs.10 Crore from temple money for CM funds but at the same time giving free rice to mosques for Ramzan using government money! Is taking money from one religion and giving to other religion secularism?

Brotherhood ? Robin Hood!

கஞ்சி வரதப்பா -- எங்கு வருதப்பா ?

தொப்புளுக்கு மேல கஞ்சி!

What happens to the கஞ்சி when people can not congregate in Mosques!

Liberals may ponder!
Agree with you on all counts
 

kamu

Member
Ma'am _ I can understand your anger ; we really do not know if cloning was done in the past ! But we do know that plastic surgery and corneal transplantation was done by Susruta ; lets forgive the gentleman who spoke about the " past glories " of India in the medical world , until such time as some western scholar discovers a manuscript which describes in detail about these procedures and then vent our spleen.
We do have to concentrate on the present , and work at developing " cures " , but my suggestion is not to ignore the vast Ayurvedic lore that is available on managing lifestyle diseases as well as epidemics and such other matters. I can only hope that this present govt will focus more on bringing proper Ayurvedic practices to the fore and not be bound by " tests and more tests " - these medications are already tried and tested from many centuries ago. Lets also try to save the herbs from disappearing into apartments and shopping malls
 
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