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how big is maoist threat

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kunjuppu

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i think it was about a year or so ago, the new york times had a lead article on the maoist influence and armed struggle in rural india.

at that time orissa, jharkand were considered to be effectively controlled by the maoists, who may claim to be descended from the naxalites of yore.

today it is west bengal, which is in flames. that too, a state ruled by country cousins of mao. western maharashtra apparently is also under the mao sway. so is orissa.

telengana was always ready for radical transformation.

southern tamil nadu, azhagiri not withstanding, appears to be a gaining ground.

where will this end? what is the long term consequences?

these folks, the only place they have not yet made their presence felt, is in the cities.

there is no name. no organization. i have seen a couple of videos shown in cnn here. all very shadowy and tribal oriented.

manmohan singh, has finally admitted to this threat. MK admitted a few months ago.

i don't think there is any need for root cause analysis. we have enough inequalities inherent in the system, to drive any group to armed anger.

but the ringer here, it appears to me, whereas those previous groups, atleast somewhat followed the rules of popular democratic election process. when all that stares at you here is the barrel of the gun, and no willingness to either wield or share power, where do we go from here?

and how?
 
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RVR

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i don't think there is any need for root cause analysis. we have enough inequalities inherent in the system, to drive any group to armed anger.

Main cause of the problem is failure of land ceiling laws. Most of the states have not implemented land ceiling laws effectively. National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme is suppose to guarantee 100 days of work p.a @ Rs.80 per day - but corruption is rampant and beneficiries are cheated. Again ration foods are not distributed properly with rampant corruption. Caste discrimination- daliths vs others in rural areas. Daliths are the main strength of maoists.

Tamilnadu is fairly insulated from the problem except stray incidents in Krishnagiri & Dharmapuri districts because of its closeness to Andhra & Karnataka. kerala also fairly insulated except wyanad districts.

It is a real threat to the internal security of the country and unless Government eliminates the root causes, it cannot be solved. Using force is not the answer to the problems.
 

happyhindu

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is there a pattern b/w india and nepal in this?

the maoists in nepal too are made up of (predominantly) the dalits.

its rumoured that the nepal maoists are/were 'engineered' by china.

is there some connect b/w the indian maoists and china?

the root cause of everything in india is just one simple word - corruption.
 

RVR

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is there a pattern b/w india and nepal in this?

the maoists in nepal too are made up of (predominantly) the dalits.

its rumoured that the nepal maoists are/were 'engineered' by china.

is there some connect b/w the indian maoists and china?

the root cause of everything in india is just one simple word - corruption.

You are correct - Maoists are mostly daliths.

Naxalite belt starts from Karnataka, passes through Andhra, Orissa,Jharkand, West Bengal, Assam to Nepal. Government of India has alread expressed that there is connection between Indian and Nepali Maoists.

Root cause analylsis which I did in my previous posting has to be addressed and they should be brought to the national mainstream politics. Otherwise, it is a great danger for the entire nation

All the best
 

anandb

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Hope the Maoists don't become to India what the Taliban has become to Pakistan. The only comfort I get is our armed forces are not involved in developing the Maoists unlike the Pakistani armed forces and the ISI involvement in developing the Taliban. They could be from the dalits but they have become ruthless. There should be a mixture of dialogue and firmness in dealing with them. Hope our corrupt politicians don't play into their hands because they are sure to get bitten just like the Pakistani army now battling against the Taliban they once nurtured.
 

RVR

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Naxalites are operating only in few pockets . Andhra, for example, has a peculiar problem. Both Kammas and Reddis are very rich, politically very powerful and practically imposed their own dictats in the villages for generations. Daliths were the worst sufferers and now they have woken up. Land ceiling was not implemented properly. Still each village is controlled by one or two big landlords and the rest are daily labourers.

Now if a big function like marriage is conducted in a remote village in the big landlords family, Naxalites demand money (May be one or two lakhs) and the same is paid to avoid problems. Law and order in Andhra is horrible nowadays.

State governments are responsible for the mess and they should change their functioning.
 

uksharma3

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i don't think there is any need for root cause analysis. we have enough inequalities inherent in the system, to drive any group to armed anger.

Main cause of the problem is failure of land ceiling laws. Most of the states have not implemented land ceiling laws effectively. ...
It is true that poverty is the bottom cause for increase in militant cadres. Usually laws are made by rich and powerful men. It is normal in most of the democracies. However, the difference in India is that those who make laws seems to consider themselves as exceptions. It was reported in a newspaper two days ago that all over the world India has earned the name as a country of corrupt politicians and officials. It is this corruption that denies the weaker sections of the society their legitimate rights and resources.
However, this is not the only cause for increase in militant cadres. The entertainment media like cinemas and TVs are now very violent scenes. Lot of blood is shown on the screen in close-up. In cinemas people fight with weapons, iron bars and things like that beating till blood gushes out. Even some commercials show extremely violent scenes. We all know that these are done using modern technology and the actors do not hit each other.
But in an uneducated, poor young mind, the impact of this is very strong. They go for adventure (but it is really misadventure).
Therefore the State should first take action to eradicate violence from public entertainment media. Then use the TV to improve the knowledge of rural population.
 

kunjuppu

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uk,

there are extensive articles all over the world re indian maoists.

from what i gather, these are basically tribal and lower caste folks, who were deprived of their land through dubious dealings.

they are now reclaiming their land, land which was guaranteed to them by nehru's government at the onset of indian independence.

this below, is an article that came out in toronto's globe and mail a few days ago..

A trip into rebel-held territory - The Globe and Mail
 

uksharma3

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uk,

there are extensive articles all over the world re indian maoists.

A trip into rebel-held territory - The Globe and Mail
In another topic of this forum I have said I will keep quiet and be a silent watcher.
As you have address me in your post, I write this and I quote a para from the article that substantiates what I wrote in my post.
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Mr. Taring says people in his village asked the regional administration to protect their fields and forest resources, but no one would even meet with them. This came as no surprise, he adds, since they need to pay a bribe even to collect a pension.
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[bold by me]
 

pannvalan

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While the Maoist cadres are mostly tribals, not just dalits, their top rung leaders are drawn from all communities e.g. Kishenji a.k.a. Koteswara Rao.

China is deliberately helping them by providing arms, ammunition and also training in Nepal, Bangladesh and Myanmar.

What angers us is our own communist leaders do not open their mouth and say anything against China. Only after Singur incidents and its aftermath, Marxist government in West Bengal has openly acknowledged the violence perpetrated by the Maoists. They are also seeking more central/paramilitary forces to tackle this threat.
What a quirk of fate!
 

tbs

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While the Maoist cadres are mostly tribals, not just dalits, their top rung leaders are drawn from all communities e.g. Kishenji a.k.a. Koteswara Rao.

China is deliberately helping them by providing arms, ammunition and also training in Nepal, Bangladesh and Myanmar.

What angers us is our own communist leaders do not open their mouth and say anything against China. Only after Singur incidents and its aftermath, Marxist government in West Bengal has openly acknowledged the violence perpetrated by the Maoists. They are also seeking more central/paramilitary forces to tackle this threat.
What a quirk of fate!
hi pann ji,
read latest threat in NEw delhi bound rajadhani express from
Bhuvaneswar....the story of hostages in west bengal...its
shame on democracy.....stilll we r sleeping...these thing
we forget tomorrow...after some months...it will come again..
result of vote bank politics.....

regards
tbs
 

kunjuppu

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In another topic of this forum I have said I will keep quiet and be a silent watcher.
As you have address me in your post, I write this and I quote a para from the article that substantiates what I wrote in my post.
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Mr. Taring says people in his village asked the regional administration to protect their fields and forest resources, but no one would even meet with them. This came as no surprise, he adds, since they need to pay a bribe even to collect a pension.
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[bold by me]
thank you uks.

not sure why you want to keep quiet and be a silent watcher? after all we have one mouth to two ears. alteast you can write half of what you read? or something like that?

please explain reasons for your retiscence. anything that i have said?

thank you.
 

uksharma3

Member
Kunjuppu Sir,

no, no don't worry about your sayings. I am interested. In fact I got the opportunity to read a good article because of reading your post.
It was due to a misunderstood remark that I thought to keep quiet. Now that is cleared and everyone is now happy.
 

kunjuppu

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folks,

this is from online new york times today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/world/asia/01maoist.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp

any one of us, who grew up in the areas dominated my maoist, might want to share with us, their experience re how adivasis are treated.

we used to read in our geography class that the adivasis of tamil nadu were the todas and the badagas. but not much more than that.

we used to see narikuravas in madras. not sure if they are classified as adivasis.

a long time ago, i saw a satyajit ray's aranyer din rathri. there are scenes where tribal women, if i remember right, are used only for sex and talked of in a deragatory way.

all in all, something tells me, that the treatment of our adivasis, is another of our ugly secrets ie of india as a whole, against its own citizens.

would like some feedback from those knowing or having contact with adivasis.

if i remember right, there is one dmk mla who is an adivasi?
 

uksharma3

Member
folks,
....
all in all, something tells me, that the treatment of our adivasis, is another of our ugly secrets ie of india as a whole, against its own citizens.
About one year or more ago I read a news in a Tamil paper that snakes have increased in the area where the [former] MGR cinema city located. The news said when municipal authorities were contacted they said they could not find enough paampaattis to capture the snakes. This is in this 21st century.
 
Sir,
The news about Maoists' links with naxalites of India and LTTE is being highlighted by the mainstream media only now. Some of the political parties hobnobbed with the naxals for electoral gains. Venkat
 

talwan

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Maoists

It is really a concern for public Security.Maoists are spreading in many states and Our Govts (central and state) do not seem to realise the need for curbing them strongly. Our Home Minister is sending soft messages for negotiations.If a similar situation raises in communist china it will be handled strongly with.
You know the recent case of Maoists interferring with religion in Nepal.It is high time the Govt.takes severe action rather than dealing with them softly as they deal with any other separtists.
Alwan
 

uksharma3

Member
It is high time the Govt.takes severe action rather than dealing with them softly as they deal with any other separtists.
Alwan
Who is the leader today who can take severe action? All leaders have bones in their cupboard. We only have to prepare ourselves for any eventuality. It is high time we learn Mandarin. That will benefit us. We are Brahmin. There is no enemy for us in the whole universe. Brahmins always served the kings who were in power. Indulging in politics will only harm our tradition. This is my view only.
 
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