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Hate Cauldron - How can liberals counter this hatred ?

Jaykay767

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Hate Cauldron - How can liberals counter this hatred ?

Based on all the right wing movements world wide, we can conclude that hate is the single biggest reason for people to support them !

Hate works sub Consciously. so when one hates say, Mexican immigrants, or hate Muslims, due to bad personal experiences, or some negative propaganda, it gets ingrained into the mind.

And when one reads any negative news of immigrants, or Muslims, it gets reinforced overtime. This is why, the hate propaganda works so well. It reinforces the sub conscious hate.

And then when a guy like trump comes along and spouts hatred and doubles down when criticised extensively, people like him and support him subconsciously. That's why a lot of NRIs support trump, due to their sub conscious hate towards minorities in india.

More dangerous trend is they have not only demonised Muslims, Mexicans, minorities , but also the opposition leaders, parities and supporters. This is why Clinton lost, as she was continuously painted as bad, crooked, flouting rules,privileged, etc..

And right wing in india, has done the same thing, where all opposition parties, their leaders, liberals, seculars, left groups etc...are uniformly demonised as bad, anti Hindu, anti national, etc... And it has reached dangerous proportions, as some of these supporters are now singing, we don't need any opposition parties at all, and want quasi dictatorship, etc.

Also, people unfortunately, love to hate more as it helps them vent out, project out all their lives frustrations on to others.

So the question is how can the liberals counter such deep rooted hatred ?

Liberals have to counter this with their own "hate the haters" campaign, hate the lynchers campaign since people love to hate !!. And leverage the "real essence and preachings of Vasudaiva kutumbakam" of our Hindu religion to counter hate. This has to be an ongoing campaign against the lynchers.

Start a #hatelynchmobs, #hatelynchers, #hatecommunalspeeches, #hateinequality, #lynchsupportersgetbadkarma, #VasudaivaKutumbakam, etc.. campaign and use social media extensively to reach all the people.

Most importantly, be balanced, condemn violence on both sides of the aisle - eschew partisanship, just stick to specific issues like lynchings, killings, hate speeches, and don't attack individual leaders or specific people.

And with consistent campaign, liberals should try and regain the moral space in the political spectrum world over !! No democracy can survive without a strong and vibrant oppositon !
 
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Jaykay767

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Just don't forget my zero tolerance policy on personal attacks, name calling, abuses, and provocative posts, jokes, comments. Any and all abuses will be met with counter abuses.

Let's keep the discussion civil.
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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Most importantly, be balanced, condemn violence on both sides of the aisle - (#1)

Preached rarely practiced!

This is my problem with selective Liberals. Following SC verdict women were taken to Sabarimala with escorts - But after lost election why lament linking this to electoral defeat You took a firm stand when a sensitive issue relating to Hindu women - What is the problem then supporting Triple Talaq biil brought on SC directive? Sensitive issue relating to women of Islam? Why hesitate to support a progressive bill after muslim women approached SC?

Why Liberals hesitate to take a stand on Nun rape Complaint - They were forced to agitate!
 

Jaykay767

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Most importantly, be balanced, condemn violence on both sides of the aisle - (#1)

Preached rarely practiced!

This is my problem with selective Liberals. Following SC verdict women were taken to Sabarimala with escorts - But after lost election why lament linking this to electoral defeat You took a firm stand when a sensitive issue relating to Hindu women - What is the problem then supporting Triple Talaq biil brought on SC directive? Sensitive issue relating to women of Islam? Why hesitate to support a progressive bill after muslim women approached SC?

Why Liberals hesitate to take a stand on Nun rape Complaint - They were forced to agitate!
Have already responded on the issue of liberal selective outrage ! To respond these 2 issues. Sabarimala issue was deliberately raised to polarise the country, not necessarily Kerala. And it worked for the right. So nothing wrong in lamenting on this,

The problem with triple talaq bill is about criminalisation and jail terms for accused. So let's say, a uneducsted Muslim young man in anger says talaq three times, should he be put in jail ?? Is this fair ? And further polarise these people and community ?

So decriminalise the bill, all of us will support for sure !!
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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So let's say, a uneducsted Muslim young man in anger says talaq three times, should he be put in jail (#3)

See this to understand women plight Don't be selective - Upgrade !

 

esskae59

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"So let's say, a uneducsted Muslim young man in anger says talaq three times, should he be put in jail ?? Is this fair ? "

1. Yes. Should he be put in jail? Or as being practiced, should his wife be divorced, just like that? Which one is prudent?
2. Even for simple matters like traffic rules, will the public obey if there is no penalty attached?
 

Jaykay767

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"So let's say, a uneducsted Muslim young man in anger says talaq three times, should he be put in jail ?? Is this fair ? "

1. Yes. Should he be put in jail? Or as being practiced, should his wife be divorced, just like that? Which one is prudent?
2. Even for simple matters like traffic rules, will the public obey if there is no penalty attached?
No it is not prudent. If the uneducsted youth is put in jail, then the relationship is dead. Even if he agrees to stay with his wife, it could become hell for her with possible domestic violence.
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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No it is not prudent. If the uneducsted youth is put in jail, then the relationship is dead. Even if he agrees to stay with his wife, it could become hell for her with possible domestic violence.
The relationship is dead after triple talaq - If
he wants to stay - really hell of a procedure the woman has to undergo!

Description - Nikah halala Urdu: نکاح حلالہ‎ is a practice in which a woman, after being divorced by triple talaq, marries another man, consummates the marriage, and gets divorced again order to be able to remarry her former husband.Nikah means marriage and halala means to make something halal, or permissible. Wikipedia

This cruelty against women is a crime and he should face criminal charges!
 

Jaykay767

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The relationship is dead after triple talaq - If
he wants to stay - really hell of a procedure the woman has to undergo!

Description - Nikah halala Urdu: نکاح حلالہ‎ is a practice in which a woman, after being divorced by triple talaq, marries another man, consummates the marriage, and gets divorced again order to be able to remarry her former husband.Nikah means marriage and halala means to make something halal, or permissible. Wikipedia

This cruelty against women is a crime and he should face criminal charges!
Seriously ?? How is this uneducsted youth in anyway got to do with this archane process of triple talaq ?? Did this youth frame the process that the lady had to marry another, divorce and then remarry ??

So why should he languish in jail ?? It will not help the couple to get back together, but only make it worse. This uneducsted youth may very well come back after his jail term and may end up acting violently against his exwife for complaint to police.

Reform the triple talaq process, outlaw it, don't be punitive in your approach, but then with right, everything is extreme !!
 

krish44

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Is it wise for brahmins in put up with domestic abuse and stay in unhappy marriages?

Many continue in dead marriages for a lifetime in fear of family and society.

Divorces in hindu marriages is not easily accepted by family and friends and divorcees become out caste.

There is nothing much to choose between religions when it comes to marriages or divorces.
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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Typical reaction of liberals - Misogyny or appeasement or both! Triple Talaq is unilateral involving 2 people in a contract - with no mutually agreed settlement .

When a settlement forced in Shabanu case by SC the liberals reversed it in Parliament!

Now Liberals may be a முட்டு கட்டை in RS to triple talaq bill. Muslim women approached SC and this bill on SC guidance. Liberals are in dilemma Moslem women want this bill and if blocked moslem women en block will vote for BJP in future election !
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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Many continue in dead marriages for a lifetime in fear of family and society.(10#)

The word women is missing after Many - Is it deliberate or a slip?
 

Janaki Jambunathan

Well-known member
The problem with triple talaq bill is about criminalisation and jail terms for accused. So let's say, a uneducsted Muslim young man in anger says talaq three times, should he be put in jail ?? Is this fair ? And further polarise these people and community ?(#4)

Tatkal Divorce ! To protect Muslim Women Triple Talaq bill is the need of the hour !



 

Janaki Jambunathan

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So decriminalise the bill, all of us will support for sure !!(#4)


The antidowry act which deals with problems of women and marriage is a cognizable offence in all states except J & K.


Triple Talaq a minor crime? It is a minority crime! - reason enough to decriminalize - unlike dowry crime perceived to happen only among majority and cognizable !

Talaq is a civil procedure why criminal proceedings?

If dowry is cognizable - in the same logic Talaq has also to be cognizable since both are crimes against women - No appeasement!

Let us see how liberals act in R.S.
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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Let us see how liberals act in R.S. (#14)

The bill sails though RS - because 30 Liberal were absent - their secular credentials now exposed - it was blocked in the previous attempt - Few of them read the writing on the wall correctly Muslim women want it and without their support Modi could not have had the mandate for another term .
 
Let us see how liberals act in R.S. (#14)

The bill sails though RS - because 30 Liberal were absent - their secular credentials now exposed - it was blocked in the previous attempt - Few of them read the writing on the wall correctly Muslim women want it and without their support Modi could not have had the mandate for another term .
I don't think there was any popular support for Modi from muslim women during elections. Muslims, men or women, overwhelmingly voted for Congress. That is what the vote share percentages in most constituencies showed.

Anyway, recently a court ruled that hindu women marrying muslim men can't claim property rights and only muslim personal law will apply to them. Will Modi address this issue or he is not concerned about the plight of hindu women? If Modi is truly secular, why does he not address this issue?
 

krish44

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A muslim woman interviewed says that now men will walk away without giving triple talaq. now muslim women

have to try for 'Khula' from their side to get separation. It only complicates their lives further.
 

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