If a Brahmin girl marries a non-Brahmin who believes in Brahmins. They want to perform Upanayanam for their son. Can they do it? What will be the Gothram of the boy ??
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any reply please
sangom
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Upanayanam is prescribed only for brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaisyas. If the boy is not a brahmin but belongs to Kshatriya or Vaisya, then his Upanayanam can be performed by the boy's father, grandfather (father's father), father's brothers etc., who all will have the same gotra as the one in which the boy was born. In other cases, it is not sanctioned to perform Upanayanam of the boy and so the question of gotra will not arise.
Girl can donate her gothram to her husband.
Thats what my relative a brahmin girl did , when her christian husband wanted a gothra for house warming gruhapravesam rituals by hindu rites.
I do not know if one can do it for upanayanam or marriage
I frankly do not know what religion says.lol
Thats what my relative a brahmin girl did , when her christian husband wanted a gothra for house warming gruhapravesam rituals by hindu rites.
I do not know if one can do it for upanayanam or marriage
I frankly do not know what religion says.lol
prasad1
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A single brahmin girl here had a child by IVF, and the child;s father is unknown. She had the upanayanum for her son in the temple. The priest assigned the mother's gothram.
A learned member of this site who adopted Hinduism had the upanayanam for his son, he chose a gothram for that ceremony.
We have had various threads discussing gothram please read them and understand the term.
In the North India, many family do not know the gotheram, the priest assigns them a gotheram.
A learned member of this site who adopted Hinduism had the upanayanam for his son, he chose a gothram for that ceremony.
We have had various threads discussing gothram please read them and understand the term.
In the North India, many family do not know the gotheram, the priest assigns them a gotheram.
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prasad1
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In Vishakapatnam there is beautiful Balajee Temple on the shore. Most of the devotee who come there do not know their gotheram, and many are NB. When asked for their Gotheram by the priest they just shake their head. The priest who is doing the mantras by rote has to fill the blank spot in the chant, so he invents. Many were given Vishnu Gotheram, but just to break the monotony some were given Garuda Gotheram, and others were given Naga Gorthram.
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Smt Suja.chand
Like sri tbs said you could pick Kasyapa Gothram for example.
Picking the Gotram and doing the rituals etc are the least important aspects.
Understanding the significance of the event and doing regular Sandhyavandanam by your son are more important aspects.
There is a thread on significance of doing Sandhyavandanam in the scholarly section which is focused not on rituals but universal values embedded in the practice.
All the best,
Like sri tbs said you could pick Kasyapa Gothram for example.
Picking the Gotram and doing the rituals etc are the least important aspects.
Understanding the significance of the event and doing regular Sandhyavandanam by your son are more important aspects.
There is a thread on significance of doing Sandhyavandanam in the scholarly section which is focused not on rituals but universal values embedded in the practice.
All the best,
CHANDRU1849
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One of the Kanchi Acharyas, some years back, said that once a family has gone thru seven generations, importance to Gothram need not be given.
Is it right?
Is it right?
sangom
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Most tabra families would have gone through 7 or even more generations by now. The Acharya might have said not in the context of the importance of gothram but some other aspect, I feel.
tbs
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hi
in USA temples...generally many tamil NBs called as SHIVA OR VISHNU GOTHRAMS....many telugu NB families know their gothrams...
many north indian NBs called as KASYPA GOTHRAMS....ONLY ALL NEPALI FAMILIES KNOW THEIR GOTHRAM WELL...BECOZ
NEPAL WAS ONLY HINDU COUNTRY IN THE WORLD....
in USA temples...generally many tamil NBs called as SHIVA OR VISHNU GOTHRAMS....many telugu NB families know their gothrams...
many north indian NBs called as KASYPA GOTHRAMS....ONLY ALL NEPALI FAMILIES KNOW THEIR GOTHRAM WELL...BECOZ
NEPAL WAS ONLY HINDU COUNTRY IN THE WORLD....
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CHANDRU1849
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tbs
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hi
i know...just read my lines again.....ONLY ALL NEPALI FAMILIES KNOW THEIR GOTHRAM WELL...BECOZ
NEPAL WAS ONLY HINDU COUNTRY IN THE WORLD....i said WAS ...NOT IS.....
CHANDRU1849
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sangom
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As per the Aryan social organization in Indian sub-continent, the Sudras had no gotra and they just could not even have any gotra. (That is how our great 'abhivAdaye' became a passport for the higher castes.) Were there no equivalent castes to Sudras in Nepal? Skinning of animals killed for food purposes, leather workers, etc., were there in Nepal also and I feel therefore that such workers would have been treated as untouchables, Sudras, etc., in Nepal also.
renuka
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True..the whole Shiva or Vishnu Gotra for Tamilian NBs is like a fake gotra.I do not believe in this..that is why when I was in India once at a temple and did an Archana the priest in the temple asked me my Gotra and I said I have no Gotra.For a while he looked at me kind of surprised but I heard him recite Shubha Gotra when he did the pooja.Wonder why he did not just omit the Gotra part.
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sangom
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Is it not true, what with advaita, v.advaita, dvaita and all those gurus godmen/godwomen, pravachanakartas and so on describing each in his/her own ways? The rigvedic rishi was, possibly, euphemistically clever when he said "bahudhA vadanti etc."
I simply tell the priest to ask my wife about my gothra .such complicated info is beyond my simple mind. It is my theory that half the brahmins are srivatsa gothra.When in doubt use it.
Life is simple.
no sense in complicating it- they say in tamil , never look at rishi moolam or nadi moolam ie never think where anything originates from, follow the path of
convenience.
Toss a coin and decide vishnu or siva . Reserve the srivatsa option for a rainy day
sangom
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The OP, I believe, refers to a brahmin girl marrying a non-brahmin boy and the couple now wanting to perform "upanayanam" or Poonal ceremony for the boy child born to this couple.
As clearly stated in post #3 above, upanayanam or poonal is possible, according to our Sastras only if the boy;s father is a brahmin, kshatriya or vaisya, in which case the father will know his gotra and the son also will belong to this gotra. In all other cases, if any poonal ceremony is done borrowing this or that gotra, it is all against sAstras and anybody may do anything today.
As clearly stated in post #3 above, upanayanam or poonal is possible, according to our Sastras only if the boy;s father is a brahmin, kshatriya or vaisya, in which case the father will know his gotra and the son also will belong to this gotra. In all other cases, if any poonal ceremony is done borrowing this or that gotra, it is all against sAstras and anybody may do anything today.
Raji Ram
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Very true! Two events that I have seen in Sing. Chennai:
1. One Mr. Samson from the U S of A was named as Chiranjeevi. Shankar and had annaprAshanam and upnayanam ceremonies
just before he married a tambram girl! 12 sAsthrigaLs attended the nAndhi ceremony.
2. A girl from Thailand could bring only her dad with her, for her wedding with a tambram boy. So she was adopted by the mAmA
of the groom. Bride was clad in a madisAr saree and sat on the laps of her 'adopted' dad for the mAngalya dhAraNam!!
tbs
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Very true! Two events that I have seen in Sing. Chennai:
1. One Mr. Samson from the U S of A was named as Chiranjeevi. Shankar and had annaprAshanam and upnayanam ceremonies
just before he married a tambram girl! 12 sAsthrigaLs attended the nAndhi ceremony.
2. A girl from Thailand could bring only her dad with her, for her wedding with a tambram boy. So she was adopted by the mAmA
of the groom. Bride was clad in a madisAr saree and sat on the laps of her 'adopted' dad for the mAngalya dhAraNam!!
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Bride was clad in a madisAr saree and sat on the laps of her 'adopted' dad for the mAngalya dhAraNam!!
KODUTHTHU VACCA STEP DAD......LOL
This is one way of increasing the number of tamil brahmins.Very true! Two events that I have seen in Sing. Chennai:
1. One Mr. Samson from the U S of A was named as Chiranjeevi. Shankar and had annaprAshanam and upnayanam ceremonies
just before he married a tambram girl! 12 sAsthrigaLs attended the nAndhi ceremony.
2. A girl from Thailand could bring only her dad with her, for her wedding with a tambram boy. So she was adopted by the mAmA
of the groom. Bride was clad in a madisAr saree and sat on the laps of her 'adopted' dad for the mAngalya dhAraNam!!
We can have Thais, Singapore chinese, Maldives natives, Myanmar tamils , some from lakhsdeep ,andhaman people having close resemblance and who can adopt our culture
easily . Of course american /canadian drop outs are the easiest to get due to many of our folks coming in contact with them. My friend and school mate got his daughter in
canada in an academic institution married off to a french canadian professor. The marriage was with ammi mudithal ,arundhathi parthal, mapillai azaippu and
mangalya dharanam with our priests officiating
It was well attended marriage with a lot of tamil brahmin elite participating in sankara madam in delhi
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CHANDRU1849
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Such an increase in B population may bring new approach / attitude to B customs, which may confuse or out-date the existing ones. Already we have couple of such things due to large scale imports from abroad - Hare Krishna Movement, ISKCON etc.
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