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God does exist

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sangom

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The following Story was forwarded to me today. Don't know for sure whether the story is true or fantasy. But it has a message to offer. Though it is little lengthy, please spend a few minutes to read:
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The Tea Shop

A group of fifteen soldiers led by their Major Sahib were on their way to the post in Himalayas where they would be deployed for next three months. Another batch, which will be relieved, would be waiting anxiously for their arrival so that they could fall back to safer confines of their parent unit. Some would proceed on leave and meet their families. They were happy that they were to relieve a set of comrades who had done their job.

It was a treacherous climb and the journey was to last till the next evening. Cold winter with intermittent snowfall added to the torture.

If only someone could offer a cup of tea, the Major thought, knowing completely well that it was a futile wish.

They continued for another hour before they came across a dilapidated structure which looked like a small shop. It was locked.

It was 2 o'clock in the night and there was no house close to the shop where the owner could be located. In any case it was not advisable to knock any doors in the night for security reasons.

It was a stalemate. "No tea boys, bad luck" said the Major.

The Major told the men to take some rest since they had been walking for more than three hours now.

Sir, this is a tea shop indeed and we can make tea. We will have to break the lock though.

The officer was in doubt about the proposed action but a steaming cup of tea was not a bad idea. He thought for a while and permitted for the lock to be broken. The lock was broken.

They were in luck.

The place was a shop indeed and had everything required to preparing tea, and also a few packets of biscuits.

The tea was prepared and it brought great relief to all in the cold night. They were now ready for the long and treacherous walk ahead of them and started to get ready to move.

The officer was in thought. They had broken open the lock and prepared tea and consumed biscuits without the permission of the owner. The payment was due but there was no one in sight. But they are not a band of thieves. They are disciplined soldiers.

The Major didn't move out without doing what needed to be done. He took out a Rs. 1000/- note from his wallet and kept it on the counter, pressed under the sugar container, so that the owner sees it first thing when he arrives in the morning.

He was now relieved of the guilt and ordered the move.

Days, weeks and months passed. They continued to do gallantly what they were required to do and were lucky not to lose any one from the group in the intense insurgency situation.

And then one day, it was time to be replaced by another brave lot. Soon they were on their way back and stopped at the same shop, which was today open with the owner in place. He was an old man with very meager resources and was happy to see fifteen of them with the prospect of selling at least fifteen cups of tea that day.

All of them had their tea and spoke to the old man about his life and experiences in general, selling tea at such remote a location. The poor, old man had many stories to tell all of them, replete with his faith in God.

"Kya Baba, yadi Allah hota to kyaa aap ke jaisa 'Allah kaa bandaa' is haal main hota, said one of them"; moved by his poverty and faith in God.

"Nahin Sahib, aise mat kaho, God actually exists. I got the proof a few months ago.
"I was going through very tough times because my only son had been severely beaten by the terrorists who wanted some information from him which he did not have.
I had closed the shop early that day and had taken my son to the hospital. There were medicines to be purchased and I had no money. No one would give me a loan from fear of the terrorists. There was no hope, Sahib.
"And that day Sahib, I had prayed to Allah for help. And Sahib, Allah walked into my shop that day.

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When I returned to my shop that day and saw the lock broken, I thought someone had broken in and had taken away whatever little I had. But then I saw that 'Allah' had left Rs. 1000/- under the sugar pot. Sahib, I can't tell you what that money was worth that day. Allah exists Sahib, He does.

"I know people are dying every day here but all of you will soon meet your near and dear ones, your children, and you must thank your God Sahib, he is watching all of us. He does exist. He walked in to my shop that day and broke open the lock to give me the money I desperately needed. I know He did it."
The faith in his eyes was unflinching. It was unnerving. Fifteen sets of eyes looked at their officer and read the order in his eyes clear and unambiguous, 'Keep quiet.'

The officer got up and paid the bill and hugged the old man.
"Yes Baba, I know, God does exist - and yes the tea was wonderful."
Fifteen pairs of eyes did not miss the moisture building in the eyes of the Major, a rare sight.

And the real truth is that any one of us can be a God to somebody.

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Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.




Shri Brahmanyan,

The story in your OP seems to have been made up rather carelessly. Kindly see the sentences in bold and brown fonts.

The shopkeeper had closed his tea shop early that day and he had returned to his shop that very day. The Major and his soldiers had broken open the lock after 2'O clock in the night and so the whole thing is just a false concoction, imo. I feel perhaps God does, after all, exist and shows the worthlessness and falsehood underlying such goody-goody stories about God himself.
 

sarang

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You are welcome to practice what you preach; no one will stop you feeding the poor even though the satisfaction you get may be a lot less than what you get from rejecting the divine ordered practice (BG) of offering to Him before kallifying by self or distribution.

It is never late to do saranagati.

All these goody-goody talks are OK because the god does not eat even a speck of whatever is offered as naivedyam. But imagine what will be the state of affairs if god was to be really present in the idol/s and will "kAlify" the vessels in which all those sAtveeka and what not, foods are kept, like what Ganesha was supposed to have done in the breakfast offered to him by Kubera?

BTW, what more proof is required to show that the idol is just an idol and offering what we like to eat to that idol is no substitute to feeding a poor and hungry human being first, before we ourselves eat. How many brahmins/non-brahmins of today will like to follow this practice for a change?
 

Raji Ram

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......... I do not remember that story you are referring to. ...........
This is the story:

Once a Guru was offered 'pAvakkAi' curry as one of the items for his lunch, by one of his followers.

He did not like to eat it but since a Guru is supposed to have no likes and dislikes, he ate it with a

smiling face! Seeing a smile on his face, the follower served a few more helpings. The Guru repeated

the same act. Soon, word spread among his followers and in each and every house, the Guru got the

'pAvakkAi' curry in plenty! Ultimately, the Guru started liking 'pAvakkAi'. :)


 

Raji Ram

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All these goody-goody talks are OK because the god does not eat even a speck of whatever is offered as naivedyam. But imagine what will be the state of affairs if god was to be really present in the idol/s and will "kAlify" the vessels in which all those sAtveeka and what not, foods are kept, like what Ganesha was supposed to have done in the breakfast offered to him by Kubera?.......
Dear Sangom Sir,

Can't you see that God Almighty is very kind to us by giving back whatever is offered to Him? :)

BTW, do you 'kAlify' even the special preparations, without 'naivEdhyam' for your Swami?

Or, don't you have a pooja room in your sweet home?
:confused:
 

sangom

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Dear Sangom Sir,

Can't you see that God Almighty is very kind to us by giving back whatever is offered to Him? :)

BTW, do you 'kAlify' even the special preparations, without 'naivEdhyam' for your Swami?

Or, don't you have a pooja room in your sweet home?
:confused:

Smt. Raji Ram,

My house does not have any "Pooja Room" at all. Since my wife is a believer in a god/many gods outside in idols and images, she has prepared a corner of the kitchen into her pooja area. Since my beliefs about god are very different from the majority view, I will not mind "kAlifying" the naivedyam or special preparations at any time if offered to me. Offering to a god almighty situated in some or all objects in a pooja room is, incidentally, against the brAhmin custom of "parishEchanam" also; we are supposed to offer our food to the five "prANas" prANa, apAna, vyAna, udAna and samAna and then to to the brahman also before we commence our eating and it is the same "nATakam" we or the priest does in the case of the god Almighty. So, what is the difference? — we "kAlify", the supposed or imagined god Almighty is incapable of doing that, that's what the difference is; the very same five prANas and brahman are supposed to be inside the god almighty and also ourselves.
 

ashwin_ash

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If god does indeed exist, will he/she be brahmin/obc/sc/etc? How is the Hindu god different from muslim and christian gods? And if we say all gods are one, why do we need hinduism? Why will a muslim/ x-ian never acknowledge Hindu gods? We Hindus always say there's just one "God" to prove we are "secular" and blend ourselves with christians and muslims, while they care a chit about us..in fact our caste system is a big mockery..
 

Raghy

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Greetings.

I have observed rasam & poriyal offered as nivedyams. In fact, all the freshly prepared 'thaligai' can be offered as nivedyams. The only condition I know is, it should not be 'shesham'.

If God indeed eats the nivedyam, I don't really think that would stop us from offering nivedyams. Matter of fact, at our home we did give away the fruits we placed as nivedyam. It would be given away to any visiting lady along with 'thaampoolam'. When it comes to nivedyams, I had strange experiences not just once, but many times. My own faith in God or the lack of it is beside the point.

Cheers!
 

Raji Ram

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Dear Sangom Sir,

If you eat anything before your better half offers it to God, she can very well think,

'கணவனே கண் கண்ட தெய்வம்!' and be happy + satisfied! :D
 

Raji Ram

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Dear Ashwin,

We have discussed umpteen times about God Almighty and his existence / non existence!

There was one thread
God Exists, which continues to be one of the hottest threads, even

after being closed, with many heated discussions! You may please go through it! :)
 

sangom

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If god does indeed exist, will he/she be brahmin/obc/sc/etc? How is the Hindu god different from muslim and christian gods? And if we say all gods are one, why do we need hinduism? Why will a muslim/ x-ian never acknowledge Hindu gods? We Hindus always say there's just one "God" to prove we are "secular" and blend ourselves with christians and muslims, while they care a chit about us..in fact our caste system is a big mockery..

Shri ashwin,

Your thoughts look very much like mine, when I was younger. My experiences in life have brought me to the conclusion that there is no god apart from whatever power gives "life" to us and makes a physical body alive. It is the same god which gives or manifests as life in every living thing be it man, animal, reptile, worm, germ, plant, tree, etc. If only this awareness comes it becomes easier to understand much of the philosophy in our scriptures in their true backgrounds and their constraints.

Primitive man looked at creation and this world with wonder and awe and his mind immediately conjured up a creator god. Rligions which are all man-made utilized this chance, furthered the concept of a god almighty outside of man and the priesthood of almost all religions could thus get immense control over populations. We are mostly still in that stage because we fail to recognize the god who is inside us and is called கடவுள் (உள்ளே கடந்து இருப்பவன்).

Mankind will take the next big leap forward when it renounces its god almighty outside and starts recognizing the very god which is inside each one of us as also everything around us.
 

sangom

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Dear Sangom Sir,

If you eat anything before your better half offers it to God, she can very well think,

'கணவனே கண் கண்ட தெய்வம்!' and be happy + satisfied! :D

My wife's pooja is not elaborate. She offers one or two yellow plantains and generally it is eaten by herself or myself later on, if we feel like. So the contingency cited by you does not normally arise. And I am not very fond of or particular about food, in general.
 

Nacchinarkiniyan

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BTW, what more proof is required to show that the idol is just an idol and offering what we like to eat to that idol is no substitute to feeding a poor and hungry human being first, before we ourselves eat. How many brahmins/non-brahmins of today will like to follow this practice for a change?

Sangom,

This was the practice in the earlier days.

In my Grandfather's house , no one would eat till an Adithi was first fed. It was the duty of the children to find an Adithi. Sometimes locating one would take hours. The family did not eat till it was done. I believe that this was the standard practice especially of very orthodox Brahmin households.

This practice has disappeared now.
 

ashwin_ash

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show me just ONE person who has seen the real GOD, the so-called CREATOR. We always see "god" in beggars lepers etc, but we never see GOD. I'm beginning to think God was the product of a fertile hallucinating mind, high on psychotropic substances. Why should god eat plantains, why not a bottle of Cognac?

I am undergoing a very very difficult period, and no god or whatever's helped me. I must admit, I do read Sai Satcharita etc, but that 'saint' knew telekinesis, in my opinion.

My wife's pooja is not elaborate. She offers one or two yellow plantains and generally it is eaten by herself or myself later on, if we feel like. So the contingency cited by you does not normally arise. And I am not very fond of or particular about food, in general.
 
show me just ONE person who has seen the real GOD, the so-called CREATOR. We always see "god" in beggars lepers etc, but we never see GOD. I'm beginning to think God was the product of a fertile hallucinating mind, high on psychotropic substances. Why should god eat plantains, why not a bottle of Cognac?

I am undergoing a very very difficult period, and no god or whatever's helped me. I must admit, I do read Sai Satcharita etc, but that 'saint' knew telekinesis, in my opinion.

Once Vivekananda asked Ramakrishna 'Can you show me God that I can see?'.

Ramakrishna smote him on his face and asked 'what do you feel?'.

Vivek replied, 'It pains'.

Ramakrishna asked, 'Can you show me pain?'.

Vivekananda understood and did not pursue the matter any further and turned Ramakrishna's disciple.

The following was narrated by my Christian colleagues yesterday (31st March) when we were discussing on Easter :

After Jesus resurrected, He appeared to 10 of His disciples. The 10 reported to Thomas, who was not present then among them, that Jesus indeed is resurrected. Thomas refused to believe and said, 'Unless I see Him and touch Him and feel Him I will not believe'. Jesus appeared to Thomas and Thomas said, 'My Lord'. Jesus said, 'Thomas you saw and hence you believed. But blessed are they who have not seen and yet believed'.

When our Science Textbooks say matter contains atom, which in turn contains nucleus, protons, electrons, mesons, pesons etc etc, we believe while yet not having seen. When astronomers say there are nine planets in the Solar system, we believe while yet we have not seen them all. When we board a bus, we believe that the Driver will safely drive us through to our destination without an atom of doubt on the driver's credentials to drive as regards his driving license, expiry date etc, trusting in his employer who has employeed him. When we board a flight we believe that we will land safely in our destnation. When we deposit money in some bank or finance company, we believe that we will get our interest regularly and that the bank/financial institution will survive the entire period of our deposit and that we will get our funds on expiry. We construct houses believing that no earthquake will destroy as if we had seen the future. We believe so many things about the future hoping and trusting in circumstances without seeing the future. Yet there is one phenomenon whom we would believe only when we see and He is God.

Dear Ashwin, if you claim you have a heart, could you please show me your heart that I can see and believe you indeed have a heart?
 

renuka

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Why should god eat plantains, why not a bottle of Cognac?

Dear Ashwin,

We humans want to eat..hence we make God "eat".

So we offer what we like to eat.

There is nothing stopping anyone from offering God anything cos for us its a plantain or a bottle of Cognac for God it is just 5 elements.. For all we know God might be thinking "What do these humans think ? They actually think they can offer me something which they created? What on earth did they create? All they keep offering me is something I created and they actually think it is an offering"LOL!
 
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Govinda

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show me just ONE person who has seen the real GOD, the so-called CREATOR. We always see "god" in beggars lepers etc, but we never see GOD. I'm beginning to think God was the product of a fertile hallucinating mind, high on psychotropic substances. Why should god eat plantains, why not a bottle of Cognac?

I am undergoing a very very difficult period, and no god or whatever's helped me. I must admit, I do read Sai Satcharita etc, but that 'saint' knew telekinesis, in my opinion..

Ashwin,

How do you see god in beggars and not in a normal person? or the vigraha? Your perception is defective!

Now I know why you are going thru a difficult period, pl. change your attitude! God created bacteria (gut-flora) for digestion and for a good purpose of breaking down complex compounds to be absorbed by the blood and hence the neurons. But, making a fermented food for some kick is a tamasic mind, and why would we offer that to the Creator (which we can't even feed our wife or child) when sweet smelling fruits, fragrant flowers and sandal-paste, rich proteins are made available to us in plentiful, for our enjoyment? If you are poor, just do a neivedhyam with clean leaves or water! Creator simply looks for our pure mind, not the So-What? attitude!

You see God in Lepers or beggars, is because you see God in your own pitiful thought! You ask those affected, they see God in their hunger or food not even in their suffering! Your sincere prayers for them (to the 'AntarYami of all' not the Sai's Telekinesis tactics) will bring change in them but not your 'empty' empathy!!
 

suraju06

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Refer post #37:

All these goody-goody talks are OK because the god does not eat even a speck of whatever is offered as naivedyam. But imagine what will be the state of affairs if god was to be really present in the idol/s and will "kAlify" the vessels in which all those sAtveeka and what not, foods are kept, like what Ganesha was supposed to have done in the breakfast offered to him by Kubera?

There is nothing goody goody about this. It is just plain talking. Knowing fully well that God will not touch even a spec of the food offered in nivedhyam it is offered by believers. In SV sampradhaya we even call it அமுது செய்தல். the meaning being that by making it an offer to God the food is converted into Amrith. So there is no disappointment if the god were to really eat everything. It requires a believer's mind to understand this.

BTW, what more proof is required to show that the idol is just an idol and offering what we like to eat to that idol is no substitute to feeding a poor and hungry human being first, before we ourselves eat. How many brahmins/non-brahmins of today will like to follow this practice for a change?

No need of proving. The bhaktha knows that idol is an idol. But he believes that it represents the God idea so that the mental process of concentrating and praying is facilitated by that idol. Whatever is done to the idol is also done fully knowing that we do that to the idol which represents the God idea. It is becoming difficult to find a hungry man/woman who will take food from you. They prefer to get a 20 note from you and proceed straight to TASMAC shop to spend it on what they like. If you hold them in such great venerable position you can treat them as your Guru and offer them the 20 note bundle so that the requirement that "AchArya priyanthanamAkrutya prajA thanthum mAvyavathchEthsi" command of veda would have been fullfilled and you would have offered your guru what he likes most as per the srivaishnava sampradhAya.:wave:

Cheers.
 

zebra16

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BTW, what more proof is required to show that the idol is just an idol and offering what we like to eat to that idol is no substitute to feeding a poor and hungry human being first, before we ourselves eat. How many brahmins/non-brahmins of today will like to follow this practice for a change?

With due respects to Sri Sangom's alternate views, where is the question of substituting naivedyam by feeding a poor and hungry human being? One can do naivediyam as also feed a hungry and poor person and then partake the food.

But the burning question for all the scientists and social scientists is why should there be a poor and hungry person at all, who has to depend on the gesture of goodwill or scriptural exhortions for filling in his/her empty stomach. How come that the human society that keeps evolving to suit the present times, has failed to find a lasting solution to this basic need.
 
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