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Petravar seitha pavam pillaiyei Sarum
Is this true then what is the remedy

 

[prasad1]

My personal opinion: (it might sound harsh but it is the truth).

To blame others for our present problems or fortune is cowardly escapism.
One has to take responsibility for their actions.
So the remedy is to do the right thing in this life.

If that is true then how to do you explain Prahlada, knowing his father was Hiranyakspu.

Ravana was born to great sage Vishrava.

So that saying is without merit.

You are responsible for your actions. Each action (Karma) has fruits of action (karma phala).
Where you are born and who your parents are in this life is entirely dependent on your actions (present and past). You have no one else to blame but yourself.

Karma is a concept of Hinduisms which explains causality through a system where beneficial effects are derived from past beneficial actions and harmful effects from past harmful actions, creating a system of actions and reactions throughout a soul's (Atman's) reincarnated lives forming a cycle of rebirth. The causality is said to be applicable not only to the material world but also to our thoughts, words, actions, and actions that others do under our instructions.

"Karma" literally means "action," and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction, which Hindus believe governs all consciousness. Karma is not fate, for we act with what can be described as a conditioned free will creating our own destinies. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determine our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate reaction. Not all karmas rebound immediately. Some accumulate and return unexpectedly in this or other lifetimes. Human beings are said to produce karma in four ways:

through thoughts
through right attitude words
through actions that we perform ourselves
through actions, others perform under our instructions.

Tulsidas, a Hindu saint, said: "Our destiny was shaped long before the body came into being." As long as the stock of sanchita karma lasts, a part of it continues to be taken out as prarabdha karma for being enjoyed in one lifetime, leading to the cycle of birth and death. A Jiva cannot attain moksha (liberation) from the cycle of birth and death, until the accumulated sanchita karmas are completely exhausted.

Karma in Hinduism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I suppose passing the buck to our parents and others do not work.
You alone are responsible for your destiny.

We have to take responsibility for our actions and accept the results.

Bhagavad Gita 18.2

śrī-bhagavān uvāca
kāmyānāḿ karmaṇāḿ nyāsaḿ
sannyāsaḿ kavayo viduḥ
sarva-karma-phala-tyāgaḿ
prāhus tyāgaḿ vicakṣaṇāḥ
Translation of Bhagavad Gita 18.2
The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: The giving up of activities that are based on material desire is what great learned men call the renounced order of life [sannyasa]. And giving up the results of all activities is what the wise call renunciation [tyaga].

Bhagavad Gita 18.2

śrī-bhagavān uvāca kāmyānāḿ karmaṇāḿ nyāsaḿ sannyāsaḿ kavayo viduḥ sarva-karma-phala-tyāgaḿ prāhus tyāgaḿ vicakṣaṇāḥ Translation of Bhagavad

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[Venky adi]

It is all belief ... Be good and do good. Live and let live.

பெற்றோர் செய்த பாவம்
பிள்ளைகளை சேரும் என்பதற்கு கிருஷ்ணர் சொன்ன குட்டிக்கதை!

குருசேஷத்திர போர் முடிந்த சமயத்தில் திருதராஷ்டிரன், கிருஷ்ணரிடம் கிருஷ்ணா நான் குருடனாக இருந்தபோதும், விதுரர் சொல்கேட்டு தர்ம நியாயங்களுடன் அரசாட்சி செய்தேன். அப்படியிருக்க ஒருவர்கூட மீதமில்லாமல் எனது 100 பிள்ளைகளும் இறந்ததற்குக் காரணம் என்ன? என்றார்.

கிருஷ்ணர் - உனக்கு நான் ஒரு கதை சொல்கிறேன். அதற்குப் பதில் சொன்னால், நீ கேட்ட கேள்விக்கு பதில் தருகிறேன். என்றார். கதையை சொல்ல ஆரம்பித்தார்...

நீதி தவறாது ஆட்சி செய்த அரசனிடம் வறியவன் ஒருவன் சமையல்காரனாகச் சேர்ந்தான். மிகச் சுவையா சமைப்பது, அவரை பிரித்யேகமாகக் கவனிப்பது என அவன் எடுத்துக்கொண்ட முயற்சிகளினால் வெகு சீக்கிரமே தலைமை சமையல் கலைஞனாக உயர்த்தப்பட்டான்.
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தெய்வத்தின் சன்னிதானத்தில் ஒரு போதும் நீதி தவறாது. அவரவர் வினைக்கேற்பவே அவரவர் வாழ்வு அமையும்! என்றார்.

தன்வினையே தன்னைச் சுட்டதென்பதை உணர்ந்த திருதராஷ்டிரன் வாயடைத்து நின்றான்.

நாம் செய்த தவறுகள் நம் பிள்ளைகளைச் சேரும் என்பதை அனைவரும் நினைவில் வைத்துக்கொள்வோம். நல்லதே நினைப்போம். நல்லதே செய்வோம்.

ஓம் நமோ நாராயணா...!



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பெற்றோர் செய்த பாவம் பிள்ளைகளை சேரும் என்பதற்கு கிருஷ்ணர் சொன்ன குட்டிக்கதை!

குருசேஷத்திர போர் முடிந்த சமயத்தில் திருதராஷ்டிரன், கிருஷ்ணரிடம் கிருஷ்ணா நான் குருடனாக இருந்தபோதும், விதுரர் சொல்கேட்டு தர்ம நியாயங்களுடன் அரசாட்சி செய்தேன். அ

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[Pad88]

If you accept advidham as truth then only Bhavan only exists and you do not exist.
This is the only way to know that the kartha and karma also is not you. So no sanjitha pavam etc. so no rebirth. If you exist then if you do good or bad karma you get the credit for both and you come here to take care of that

So when only Bhavan exists why are we worried about punyam pavam rebirth etc

What do others think?

 

[Jaykay767]

To add to the krishnars discourse in post #3 above,

It is not belief, the pavam of parents go to the kids. Krishnars words can't be more truer. Why and how ?

In the karmic world, families, kingdoms, villages, towns, cities and nations share similar fate.

Similarly from history, one will know that most people in a kingdom shared similar fate of famine, war, destruction. Same with tsunami or other natural disasters hitting villages and towns.

Let's say a father commits mistakes and is invoked in a public scandal, it is the family that suffers immensely. The family did not make any mistake in this janmam, but they suffer their past janmam actions now by their associations with the father.

This is what some researchers call the soul clusters, ie many souls come and live together in this world based on their past karma, so they are destined to,suffer the consequences of each other's actions in this world.

This is precisely why I penned the thread politics and karma, that one will gain bad karma by implicitly and explicitly supporting adharmic forces. Not to mention, the atrocities most people commit sitting in offices and torturing their innocent employees. All these pavam go to your kids.

Many of Duryodananas brothers did no wrong, but they all suffered same fate, because of this complex interplay of past and present Karmas.

Hence, this statement is correct and has stood the test of time.

 

[Jaykay767]

If you accept advidham as truth then only Bhavan only exists and you do not exist.
This is the only way to know that the kartha and karma also is not you. So no sanjitha pavam etc. so no rebirth. If you exist then if you do good or bad karma you get the credit for both and you come here to take care of that

So when only Bhavan exists why are we worried about punyam pavam rebirth etc

What do others think?

Advaitam does not negate the current human world. It correctly classifies it as maya or illusionary. And the jeevatman is caught in this endless cycle of samsaram.

However this maya world is an infinite existence and maya manifests by the very presence of Nirguna Brahman.

 

[Jaykay767]

Other may add here.

To my recollection, only great souls like Savithri and prahaladan overcame their karmic past by their unparalleled decotion, sacrifice and prayers to God. None else ..

Karma is the balancing force, even the gods had to suffer. And without the karmic balance, the world will be ruled by evil aka Satan !!

 

[Jaykay767]

So the fate of all of us, are to a large extent intertwined with our families, villages, towns, nations etc.. If someone suffers in a fsmily, the rest suffer as we'll.

Most importantly, without this karmic interplay, the world will collapse. Evil men will destroy everyone, if this fear of karma hitting their kids were to disappear. This is the check and balance.

Hence unfortunately, human sufferings are a must if this world has to survive.

 

[Venky adi]

When some one gets bored, there will be a thread on subject like Maya, Karma, Nirguna Brahman, Saguna Brahman, Tatvamasi, Thou are that, etc

There is a poem in Tamil which reads as follows;

'தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர் தர வாரா''

The near meaning is that we are responsible for our puniya and papa.

We cannot simply detach our responsibilities by passing the buck on the parents pavam and punniya

Why drag our parents here …??

Others are not responsible for our deeds whether it is good and bad

We think and we act.. it is our discretion…we are responsible for our own deeds, we crate our own fate and so don't blame others.

When something good happens we tend to take credit, pride and pat on our back but for bad results, we conveniently pass the buck to fate, pavam and punniyam etc. It is a nice excuse instead of accepting the responsibility for our failure.

So, passing the buck on others is nothing but ignorance. Yes it is individual’s belief.

There are people who believe that we are solely responsible for our good deeds and bad actions.

And every action has its reaction, consequences and there are right things and wrong things.

And for good deed, we reap the benefits and for bad, we pay the penalty.

So, we are responsible for our future and it all in our hands. We are the captain of our ship and master of our fate.

Don’t drag and parents and their pavam and punniya unnecessarily.

There is a Rule now to wear helmet considering road safety. Now people wear helmets, behave responsibly and ultimately accidents have come down. Everyday, tragic accidents are averted by adhering to safety measures.

We are the creator of our own destiny.

It is simple, think good, do good and lead a peaceful and happy life. Enjoy bliss. God bless

 

[Mayuram V.Sankaran]

My personal opinion: (it might sound harsh but it is the truth).

To blame others for our present problems or fortune is cowardly escapism.
One has to take responsibility for their actions.
So the remedy is to do the right thing in this life.

If that is true then how to do you explain Prahlada, knowing his father was Hiranyakspu.

Ravana was born to great sage Vishrava.

So that saying is without merit.

You are responsible for your actions. Each action (Karma) has fruits of action (karma phala).
Where you are born and who your parents are in this life is entirely dependent on your actions (present and past). You have no one else to blame but yourself.

Karma is a concept of Hinduisms which explains causality through a system where beneficial effects are derived from past beneficial actions and harmful effects from past harmful actions, creating a system of actions and reactions throughout a soul's (Atman's) reincarnated lives forming a cycle of rebirth. The causality is said to be applicable not only to the material world but also to our thoughts, words, actions, and actions that others do under our instructions.

"Karma" literally means "action," and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction, which Hindus believe governs all consciousness. Karma is not fate, for we act with what can be described as a conditioned free will creating our own destinies. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determine our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate reaction. Not all karmas rebound immediately. Some accumulate and return unexpectedly in this or other lifetimes. Human beings are said to produce karma in four ways:

through thoughts
through right attitude words
through actions that we perform ourselves
through actions, others perform under our instructions.

Tulsidas, a Hindu saint, said: "Our destiny was shaped long before the body came into being." As long as the stock of sanchita karma lasts, a part of it continues to be taken out as prarabdha karma for being enjoyed in one lifetime, leading to the cycle of birth and death. A Jiva cannot attain moksha (liberation) from the cycle of birth and death, until the accumulated sanchita karmas are completely exhausted.

Karma in Hinduism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I suppose passing the buck to our parents and others do not work.
You alone are responsible for your destiny.

We have to take responsibility for our actions and accept the results.

Bhagavad Gita 18.2

śrī-bhagavān uvāca
kāmyānāḿ karmaṇāḿ nyāsaḿ
sannyāsaḿ kavayo viduḥ
sarva-karma-phala-tyāgaḿ
prāhus tyāgaḿ vicakṣaṇāḥ
Translation of Bhagavad Gita 18.2
The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: The giving up of activities that are based on material desire is what great learned men call the renounced order of life [sannyasa]. And giving up the results of all activities is what the wise call renunciation [tyaga].

Bhagavad Gita 18.2

śrī-bhagavān uvāca kāmyānāḿ karmaṇāḿ nyāsaḿ sannyāsaḿ kavayo viduḥ sarva-karma-phala-tyāgaḿ prāhus tyāgaḿ vicakṣaṇāḥ Translation of Bhagavad

www.bhagavad-gita.us

My personal opinion: (it might sound harsh but it is the truth).

To blame others for our present problems or fortune is cowardly escapism.
One has to take responsibility for their actions.
So the remedy is to do the right thing in this life.

If that is true then how to do you explain Prahlada, knowing his father was Hiranyakspu.

Ravana was born to great sage Vishrava.

So that saying is without merit.

You are responsible for your actions. Each action (Karma) has fruits of action (karma phala).
Where you are born and who your parents are in this life is entirely dependent on your actions (present and past). You have no one else to blame but yourself.

Karma is a concept of Hinduisms which explains causality through a system where beneficial effects are derived from past beneficial actions and harmful effects from past harmful actions, creating a system of actions and reactions throughout a soul's (Atman's) reincarnated lives forming a cycle of rebirth. The causality is said to be applicable not only to the material world but also to our thoughts, words, actions, and actions that others do under our instructions.

"Karma" literally means "action," and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction, which Hindus believe governs all consciousness. Karma is not fate, for we act with what can be described as a conditioned free will creating our own destinies. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determine our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate reaction. Not all karmas rebound immediately. Some accumulate and return unexpectedly in this or other lifetimes. Human beings are said to produce karma in four ways:

through thoughts
through right attitude words
through actions that we perform ourselves
through actions, others perform under our instructions.

Tulsidas, a Hindu saint, said: "Our destiny was shaped long before the body came into being." As long as the stock of sanchita karma lasts, a part of it continues to be taken out as prarabdha karma for being enjoyed in one lifetime, leading to the cycle of birth and death. A Jiva cannot attain moksha (liberation) from the cycle of birth and death, until the accumulated sanchita karmas are completely exhausted.

Karma in Hinduism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I suppose passing the buck to our parents and others do not work.
You alone are responsible for your destiny.

We have to take responsibility for our actions and accept the results.

Bhagavad Gita 18.2

śrī-bhagavān uvāca
kāmyānāḿ karmaṇāḿ nyāsaḿ
sannyāsaḿ kavayo viduḥ
sarva-karma-phala-tyāgaḿ
prāhus tyāgaḿ vicakṣaṇāḥ
Translation of Bhagavad Gita 18.2
The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: The giving up of activities that are based on material desire is what great learned men call the renounced order of life [sannyasa]. And giving up the results of all activities is what the wise call renunciation [tyaga].

Bhagavad Gita 18.2

śrī-bhagavān uvāca kāmyānāḿ karmaṇāḿ nyāsaḿ sannyāsaḿ kavayo viduḥ sarva-karma-phala-tyāgaḿ prāhus tyāgaḿ vicakṣaṇāḥ Translation of Bhagavad

www.bhagavad-gita.us

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My personal opinion: (it might sound harsh but it is the truth).

To blame others for our present problems or fortune is cowardly escapism.
One has to take responsibility for their actions.
So the remedy is to do the right thing in this life.

If that is true then how to do you explain Prahlada, knowing his father was Hiranyakspu.

Ravana was born to great sage Vishrava.

So that saying is without merit.

You are responsible for your actions. Each action (Karma) has fruits of action (karma phala).
Where you are born and who your parents are in this life is entirely dependent on your actions (present and past). You have no one else to blame but yourself.

Karma is a concept of Hinduisms which explains causality through a system where beneficial effects are derived from past beneficial actions and harmful effects from past harmful actions, creating a system of actions and reactions throughout a soul's (Atman's) reincarnated lives forming a cycle of rebirth. The causality is said to be applicable not only to the material world but also to our thoughts, words, actions, and actions that others do under our instructions.

"Karma" literally means "action," and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction, which Hindus believe governs all consciousness. Karma is not fate, for we act with what can be described as a conditioned free will creating our own destinies. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determine our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate reaction. Not all karmas rebound immediately. Some accumulate and return unexpectedly in this or other lifetimes. Human beings are said to produce karma in four ways:

through thoughts
through right attitude words
through actions that we perform ourselves
through actions, others perform under our instructions.

Tulsidas, a Hindu saint, said: "Our destiny was shaped long before the body came into being." As long as the stock of sanchita karma lasts, a part of it continues to be taken out as prarabdha karma for being enjoyed in one lifetime, leading to the cycle of birth and death. A Jiva cannot attain moksha (liberation) from the cycle of birth and death, until the accumulated sanchita karmas are completely exhausted.

Karma in Hinduism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I suppose passing the buck to our parents and others do not work.
You alone are responsible for your destiny.

We have to take responsibility for our actions and accept the results.

Bhagavad Gita 18.2

śrī-bhagavān uvāca
kāmyānāḿ karmaṇāḿ nyāsaḿ
sannyāsaḿ kavayo viduḥ
sarva-karma-phala-tyāgaḿ
prāhus tyāgaḿ vicakṣaṇāḥ
Translation of Bhagavad Gita 18.2
The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: The giving up of activities that are based on material desire is what great learned men call the renounced order of life [sannyasa]. And giving up the results of all activities is what the wise call renunciation [tyaga].

Bhagavad Gita 18.2

śrī-bhagavān uvāca kāmyānāḿ karmaṇāḿ nyāsaḿ sannyāsaḿ kavayo viduḥ sarva-karma-phala-tyāgaḿ prāhus tyāgaḿ vicakṣaṇāḥ Translation of Bhagavad

www.bhagavad-gita.us

There could be another explanation than 'karma' as
the underlying principle to the set of circumstances that we face at birth in this world, whether they are favourable or unfavourable. The possible alternative explanation is 'social, political, economic, cultural and the like factors' continuity in any particular social setting at any given point of time in this world. Those factors are a kind of 'determinism' that is not attributed to 'fate' or 'destiny' or the doctrine of 'karma', but simple evolution of human beings in society in terms of the very same factors, that is, socially, politically, economically, culturally and the like. An individual human being born to his parents at any given point of time in any particular place is caught in this 'historical continuity' of the life of his parents, his family, village, town, city, nation and the world itself at the time and place of his birth. He or she is a helpless child who grows up through the sustenance extended by his or her mother, the mother by the family as an institution, the family by the larger society in which it forms a part as a unit. The society itself survives through its development as a nation, which is part of a 'family of nations' in the world. The 'self' identity of the child is shaped by the 'cultural milieu' in which it grows up until the child grows up to become a youth and then an adult, a 'self conscious' individual who is able to sustain himself or herself in any given environment. The individual absorbs the cultural values, the customs and traditions of his or her society and learns to abide the norms set for behaviour to be rewarded therefor or be punished for any transgressions thereof in one manner or another to reinforce the societal values in life, liberty, integrity of limbs, or the institutions like family, property and the like. The grown up individual of sufficient maturity of judgment and reasoning power has to exercise his or her 'free will' circumscribed only by the larger circumstances of his or her birth in a given place. There is no need to envisage, as our ancestors have done, a ''Soul' or 'Spirit' or 'Atman' within this 'body - mind' integrated complex and consider it as 'one and the same' or as a 'spark' or 'speck' of an all pervading, all knowing, all perfect 'Universal Soul' or 'Spirit' or 'Brahman' and to envisage also, a 'cycle of births and deaths' for the individual 'soul' or 'spirit' to atone for its 'karma' -- the 'good' or 'bad' actions done in this birth -- till it attains 'moksha' or 'mukti' or 'release' from the said cycle -- by adopting one of the paths to the same -- like, 'raja yoga', 'karma yoga', 'bhakti yoga', 'jnana yoga' and the like. Or, for the matter, envisage a 'heaven' or 'hell' to which the 'soul' will go for its 'good' or 'bad' actions in this life, and wait there till the 'day of last judgment', just to reinforce the conception of a 'moral universe', which is also a conception on our part or of our ancestors. We can be in this world as a 'part and parcel' of the larger reality called 'Nature' and be there above the level of 'plants' and 'animals' with which, or with whom, we share this world, but with the higher faculties or powers of 'cognition', 'volition' and 'emotions', which are cumulatively called the 'mind', which is the 'intangible' part of ourselves, and which does not seem to exist apart from the 'physical body', though it creates the 'illusion' of being on its own separate existence through the power of our 'imagination'. On 'cessation of life' in an individual, we either 'bury' or 'cremate' the 'body' and it becomes 'dust into dust' and that seems to be the end of the 'mind' or the complex 'consciousness' attached to that 'body'. The 'living entity's is characterized more by its thoughts, feelings and actions rather than by its being a 'body possessed of a mind' or a 'mind possessed of a body', as earlier thought, for it is truly an integrated whole being with a 'historical continuity' in any given setting at any particular time or place in this world.

 

[Mayuram V.Sankaran]

My personal opinion: (it might sound harsh but it is the truth).

To blame others for our present problems or fortune is cowardly escapism.
One has to take responsibility for their actions.
So the remedy is to do the right thing in this life.

If that is true then how to do you explain Prahlada, knowing his father was Hiranyakspu.

Ravana was born to great sage Vishrava.

So that saying is without merit.

You are responsible for your actions. Each action (Karma) has fruits of action (karma phala).
Where you are born and who your parents are in this life is entirely dependent on your actions (present and past). You have no one else to blame but yourself.

Karma is a concept of Hinduisms which explains causality through a system where beneficial effects are derived from past beneficial actions and harmful effects from past harmful actions, creating a system of actions and reactions throughout a soul's (Atman's) reincarnated lives forming a cycle of rebirth. The causality is said to be applicable not only to the material world but also to our thoughts, words, actions, and actions that others do under our instructions.

"Karma" literally means "action," and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction, which Hindus believe governs all consciousness. Karma is not fate, for we act with what can be described as a conditioned free will creating our own destinies. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determine our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate reaction. Not all karmas rebound immediately. Some accumulate and return unexpectedly in this or other lifetimes. Human beings are said to produce karma in four ways:

through thoughts
through right attitude words
through actions that we perform ourselves
through actions, others perform under our instructions.

Tulsidas, a Hindu saint, said: "Our destiny was shaped long before the body came into being." As long as the stock of sanchita karma lasts, a part of it continues to be taken out as prarabdha karma for being enjoyed in one lifetime, leading to the cycle of birth and death. A Jiva cannot attain moksha (liberation) from the cycle of birth and death, until the accumulated sanchita karmas are completely exhausted.

Karma in Hinduism - Wikipedia

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I suppose passing the buck to our parents and others do not work.
You alone are responsible for your destiny.

We have to take responsibility for our actions and accept the results.

Bhagavad Gita 18.2

śrī-bhagavān uvāca
kāmyānāḿ karmaṇāḿ nyāsaḿ
sannyāsaḿ kavayo viduḥ
sarva-karma-phala-tyāgaḿ
prāhus tyāgaḿ vicakṣaṇāḥ
Translation of Bhagavad Gita 18.2
The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: The giving up of activities that are based on material desire is what great learned men call the renounced order of life [sannyasa]. And giving up the results of all activities is what the wise call renunciation [tyaga].

Bhagavad Gita 18.2

śrī-bhagavān uvāca kāmyānāḿ karmaṇāḿ nyāsaḿ sannyāsaḿ kavayo viduḥ sarva-karma-phala-tyāgaḿ prāhus tyāgaḿ vicakṣaṇāḥ Translation of Bhagavad

www.bhagavad-gita.us

 

[renuka]

Petravar seitha pavam pillaiyei Sarum
Is this true then what is the remedy

Yes! You are right! BUT you also have the karmic pattern that befits to inherit the Karma of the father..so its "Like father..like son".

Let me explain in a bit more detail.
Karma is all about creating effects becos of our actions..not only physical actions..but thoughts, words and deeds..when we do anything "negative" we create a pattern that lingers and when a person has a child the child too would inherit this pattern.
It's not unfair becos the child born into such a pattern also has such a karma to inherit it.

Now..so are we to say that a person inheriting negative Karma had sinned in a past birth?
Well, this is where its not so much known..sometimes a person inherits negative karma becos of past sins or sometimes a person inherits negative karma becos he/she wants to use up stored karma of past births(both good and bad)..so that the karmic balance is extinguished and the person would stand a better chance of for Moksha(this is where sometimes you see an exceptional good person born into a negative family)
So no idea if a person is a sinner or saint if one inherit negative karma.
That's why we should not judge anyone who is suffering cos we have no idea what is his/her karmic pattern.

Positive karma isnt always a boon too..cos too much positiveness can also make one slip down in life.

Coming to what can be done?
Technically NOTHING changes karma BUT we can repair our life by introducing activities that help built a resilient mind so that it helps us not be affected by the karma.
This does not mean the effect would go away..but its just that it we would not be affected badly by it..we can experience it but not be dragged down by it.

So make changes in your life:

1)Reaffirm your believe in God
2)Pray( in the real sense..follow your Nithya Karma) and put God first..stop work if you need to pray and not make God wait for you.
3)Observe Fasting on and off to help cleanse the mind and body.
4)Charity to humans/animals
5)Pilgrimage

 

[Mayuram V.Sankaran]

Yes! You are right! BUT you also have the karmic pattern that befits to inherit the Karma of the father..so its "Like father..like son".

Let me explain in a bit more detail.
Karma is all about creating effects becos of our actions..not only physical actions..but thoughts, words and deeds..when we do anything "negative" we create a pattern that lingers and when a person has a child the child too would inherit this pattern.
It's not unfair becos the child born into such a pattern also has such a karma to inherit it.

Now..so are we to say that a person inheriting negative Karma had sinned in a past birth?
Well, this is where its not so much known..sometimes a person inherits negative karma becos of past sins or sometimes a person inherits negative karma becos he/she wants to use up stored karma of past births(both good and bad)..so that the karmic balance is extinguished and the person would stand a better chance of for Moksha(this is where sometimes you see an exceptional good person born into a negative family)
So no idea if a person is a sinner or saint if one inherit negative karma.
That's why we should not judge anyone who is suffering cos we have no idea what is his/her karmic pattern.

Positive karma isnt always a boon too..cos too much positiveness can also make one slip down in life.

Coming to what can be done?
Technically NOTHING changes karma BUT we can repair our life by introducing activities that help built a resilient mind so that it helps us not be affected by the karma.
This does not mean the effect would go away..but its just that it we would not be affected badly by it..we can experience it but not be dragged down by it.

So make changes in your life:

1)Reaffirm your believe in God
2)Pray( in the real sense..follow your Nithya Karma) and put God first..stop work if you need to pray and not make God wait for you.
3)Observe Fasting on and off to help cleanse the mind and body.
4)Charity to humans/animals
5)Pilgrimage

The

Yes! You are right! BUT you also have the karmic pattern that befits to inherit the Karma of the father..so its "Like father..like son".

Let me explain in a bit more detail.
Karma is all about creating effects becos of our actions..not only physical actions..but thoughts, words and deeds..when we do anything "negative" we create a pattern that lingers and when a person has a child the child too would inherit this pattern.
It's not unfair becos the child born into such a pattern also has such a karma to inherit it.

Now..so are we to say that a person inheriting negative Karma had sinned in a past birth?
Well, this is where its not so much known..sometimes a person inherits negative karma becos of past sins or sometimes a person inherits negative karma becos he/she wants to use up stored karma of past births(both good and bad)..so that the karmic balance is extinguished and the person would stand a better chance of for Moksha(this is where sometimes you see an exceptional good person born into a negative family)
So no idea if a person is a sinner or saint if one inherit negative karma.
That's why we should not judge anyone who is suffering cos we have no idea what is his/her karmic pattern.

Positive karma isnt always a boon too..cos too much positiveness can also make one slip down in life.

Coming to what can be done?
Technically NOTHING changes karma BUT we can repair our life by introducing activities that help built a resilient mind so that it helps us not be affected by the karma.
This does not mean the effect would go away..but its just that it we would not be affected badly by it..we can experience it but not be dragged down by it.

So make changes in your life:

1)Reaffirm your believe in God
2)Pray( in the real sense..follow your Nithya Karma) and put God first..stop work if you need to pray and not make God wait for you.
3)Observe Fasting on and off to help cleanse the mind and body.
4)Charity to humans/animals
5)Pilgrimage

The saying that "as you show, so you must reap" is the one relevant to any discussion on the 'chain of causation'. However, we know only of the 'cause and effect' sequence in this life only in this world. The conception of a 'soul' and its 'transmigration' through a 'cycle of births and deaths' to 'atone' for its 'karma', is a conception that remains 'axiomatic' as 'truth' because it is so stated in our 'scriptures' -- 'Upanishads', 'Bhagavad Gita' and the like -- and as if it is revealed by 'God' himself. Leave aside the 'faith' or 'belief'in the scriptures, then it will remain only in the 'realm of speculation'. Who really knows that there is a 'Soul' or an 'Universal Soul' or that there is a 'Heaven' or 'Hell' to which the individual 'Soul' goes after death or that it undergoes a 'cycle of births and deaths' to atone for its 'karma' till its release from the said cycle by adopting one of the path-ways to 'release' except as we have learned from the 'scriptures'? Who really 'remembers' past lives or 'foresee' future lives for that matter and see the links between 'past karma' and its 'present effects' or 'present karma's and its 'future effects'? If even the so-called 'Self-realized persons' of this world cannot see it all the way, how can the individual 'soul' hops to redeem itself and attain 'salvation' or such 'release' from the 'bondage of the cycle of births and deaths', if it cannot clearly see the link? Or if it all remains in the realm of 'speculation' or our 'imagination' only, if we do not depend on the 'scriptures'? In other words, we have accepted certain propositions' as 'axiomatic truths' and built an 'edifice' over it and people like you seem to be even 'eloquent experts' on the 'doctrine of karma'!

 

[prasad1]

When some one gets bored, there will be a thread on subject like Maya, Karma, Nirguna Brahman, Saguna Brahman, Tatvamasi, Thou are that, etc

When someone gets bored, ee invents a new avatar.
Mr. VB we know of your new avatars.


1. Venky adi
2. Maha 52
3. Raman 74

Maybe some more???

You know you were banned and it is against the forum rules to have multiple avatars.

We will let the moderator deal with you.

In the meantime let other members continue with their discussions.

 

[renuka]

The

The saying that "as you show, so you must reap" is the one relevant to any discussion on the 'chain of causation'. However, we know only of the 'cause and effect' sequence in this life only in this world. The conception of a 'soul' and its 'transmigration' through a 'cycle of births and deaths' to 'atone' for its 'karma', is a conception that remains 'axiomatic' as 'truth' because it is so stated in our 'scriptures' -- 'Upanishads', 'Bhagavad Gita' and the like -- and as if it is revealed by 'God' himself. Leave aside the 'faith' or 'belief'in the scriptures, then it will remain only in the 'realm of speculation'. Who really knows that there is a 'Soul' or an 'Universal Soul' or that there is a 'Heaven' or 'Hell' to which the individual 'Soul' goes after death or that it undergoes a 'cycle of births and deaths' to atone for its 'karma' till its release from the said cycle by adopting one of the path-ways to 'release' except as we have learned from the 'scriptures'? Who really 'remembers' past lives or 'foresee' future lives for that matter and see the links between 'past karma' and its 'present effects' or 'present karma's and its 'future effects'? If even the so-called 'Self-realized persons' of this world cannot see it all the way, how can the individual 'soul' hops to redeem itself and attain 'salvation' or such 'release' from the 'bondage of the cycle of births and deaths', if it cannot clearly see the link? Or if it all remains in the realm of 'speculation' or our 'imagination' only, if we do not depend on the 'scriptures'? In other words, we have accepted certain propositions' as 'axiomatic truths' and built an 'edifice' over it and people like you seem to be even 'eloquent experts' on the 'doctrine of karma'!

Thank you sir for your kind words ..i never thought of myself of eloquent.
I attribute my eloquence to Gods blessings

 

[Mayuram V.Sankaran]

Thank you sir for your kind words ..i never thought of myself of eloquent.
I attribute my eloquence to Gods blessings

As one doubtful of the term, 'God' or the similar term, 'Creator', I can only say that if there is a 'God', then 'He' (or 'She' or 'That') has apparently 'endowed' you, the individual 'Soul', as you probably consider yourself, with the power to disseminate 'scriptural knowledge' in a convincing manner. Great going!

 

[renuka]

As one doubtful of the term, 'God' or the similar term, 'Creator', I can only say that if there is a 'God', then 'He' (or 'She' or 'That') has apparently 'endowed' you, the individual 'Soul', as you probably consider yourself, with the power to disseminate 'scriptural knowledge' in a convincing manner. Great going!

Thank you sir..again and again you are showering praises on me...i am starting to feel shy to receive these praises.
May God bless you always Sir.

 

[Mayuram V.Sankaran]

Thank you sir..again and again you are showering praises on me...i am starting to feel shy to receive these praises.
May God bless you always Sir.

Thank you very much! But as it is, it is the 'artificial entity' called the 'Government' (Central Government, in my case), that is paying me an adequate 'pension' for the past services rendered, as per the system in vogue, that helps to sustain myself and my family. towards the fag end of my life. Beyond that, and the collective wisdom and culture of the time and place that I happen to live in, I cannot envisage further, given the limitations of my 'being' and its 'capacity'.

 

[renuka]

Thank you very much! But as it is, it is the 'artificial entity' called the 'Government' (Central Government, in my case), that is paying me an adequate 'pension' for the past services rendered, as per the system in vogue, that helps to sustain myself and my family. towards the fag end of my life. Beyond that, and the collective wisdom and culture of the time and place that I happen to live in, I cannot envisage further, given the limitations of my 'being' and its 'capacity'.

True...Allah Malik.

 

[sravna]

Well said folks. The deeds of not only parents but to a lesser extent the ones we are related with and strongly associated with also affect us. A particular formation of associations and relations is only to mete out karma most aptly. No escaping from that. But as Renuka says you can definitely mitigate the effects by well preparing yourself to face it.

 

[a-TB]

Petravar seitha pavam pillaiyei Sarum
Is this true then what is the remedy

Why worry about something that you have no control over? If the acts of parents affect you so be it. If it does not so be it.

You have to face life with courage no matter what. If you are theist and believe in a God that intervenes, then do some prayers but do that with sincerity.

If you are agnostic or atheist , then do kind deeds to others living beings humans included. You will not suffer by worrying.

If one is a coward then they can suffer out of endless fear.

My best advice is that such sayings are best ignored since they are useless.

Suppose someone tells you, you were a dog in prior birth and you bit some child and so you are born in a family where your ancestors have committed atrocities for which you will pay. What can one do with such statements. Answer is NOTHING. Except one can worry.

So ignore such sayings and stop seeking remedy. Then face the world with courage

 

[prasad1]

Scientists used to think that identical twins turned out differently because they were treated differently — by friends or teachers or their parents, Turkheimer says. So about a decade ago he started looking for scientific evidence of this, and didn't find much. So he started asking himself, "How do you explain it? How do they get different?"

Studies show that siblings often start out with very similar personalities or intelligence, Turkheimer says. "But as time goes by they slowly drift apart from each other," he says.

Turkheimer suspects that's because tiny differences that appear early in life — perhaps caused by a chance event or random genetic change — are somehow being amplified as children grow up.

Suppose, for example, you have identical twin girls, Turkheimer says, and one of them has a chance experience that makes her just a bit more extroverted than her sister. "And because that twin is a little bit more extroverted, she meets somewhat more extroverted friends, who then make the kid a little bit more extroverted," he says.

The result is a feedback loop that keeps amplifying this personality trait and may even create new brain cells, he says, "until finally in the end you have these two identical twins, one of whom is out at parties with all the extroverted friends and the other is sitting in the library by herself."


If the parents' influence in this life is minimal, their past karmas have even less on our present life.
It is their Karmas that they got us as children.

 

[Jaykay767]

The point is people should know the rules of life so that they don't get into karmic issues later. So, while for some like the OP, this post may not help, for the others, it is valuable.

For eg, one of the things I repeatedly keep saying to the kids in mine and extended family is to ensure they follow Dharmam, ensure they do not commit bad karma.

Let's say the husband or father in the family who are well off ( I am specifically excluding the poor here), is indulging in corruption, then they can gently and persuasively tell him to stop this as his karma will affect the wife and the kids.

Similarly if a corrupt corporate boss is indulging in corruption, unethical practices, vindictive politics, etc..,the employees can try to influence him to get out of such activities, or quietly start moving to another team or organisation.

In summary,if you are implicitly or explicitly supporting people who commit bad karma in the family, office, politics, etc.., you partake in it, and then you will suffer the consequences.

And once you understand the rules of the game of life, then it is up to to the person to decide how they want to live their life.

It is always better to avoid getting caught like a deer in front of the headlights and then suffer the consequences.

 

[prasad1]

The question is critical to understanding the truth behind karma and karma phalam. The karma is the ACTION you need to do it in your current position of birth. This cannot be transferred or traded. You in the position of father / mother / husband / wife / brother / sister cannot transfer to some one else. Similar is Karma Phalam.. This means, karma can neither be transferred or Traded. An interesting thought provoking result from this is...... We generally believe when we commit sins, they go and attack our sons/ daughters. However the truth is NOT. Every individual is bound by his own Karma and karma phalam.

Karma Transfer between People - Spiritual Discussion

www.speakingtree.in

 

[prasad1]

Both Hinduism and Buddhism believe in the doctrine of karma, according to which actions have consequences, and beings are bound by their desire-ridden actions to the cycle of births and deaths. Both religions share common beliefs about karma and its mechanism.