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Dravidian Civilization & its Origins !

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Jaykay767

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Dravidian Civilization & its Origins !

In summary:

· Africans were the natives who lived from Africa to Egypt to Sumeria to Afganisthan, Pakistan, North India, South India, Ceylon -these are the tribal/dalits / Veddas today.
· Tamils/Dravidians are part of the same race group as the Australian aboriginals, & they come from Indonesia/Sumatra Islands in the distant past & settled in Ceylon, South India. Tamils not only occupied Indonesia, they were also spread across Malaysia, Thailand, Cambodia, fuji Islands, Australia etc.. till the Chinese & Mughal Invasion/s in South East.
· Dravidians then migrated/invaded from south of India to North India to Mohenjo-Daro/ Harappa, to current Pakistan to Afghanistan to ancient Sumeria (Iraq) to ancient Egypt/Ethiopia.. so all these civilizations have a common Dravidian source of ancestors/culture..
· In time, they developed independently into the Egyptian, Sumerian, Mohenjo-Daro/Harappa civilizations.
· However they all have the same substratum influence of “pre-Ramayana” languages, culture, symbols, traditions.
· Later Persians conquered the middle east, Sumeria, Pakistan to North of India.. and dravidians were confined only to the south India.
· Alexander then conquers Persia, Egypt & then comes to the country of Indae/Indo in South of India, and a group of his soldiers settle here in Coorg, Karnataka.
· These soldiers intermix with the Dravidians & build the legendary ancient Trojan, Greek, Egyptian, Roman, Israel/Judah Empires
· All the world religions – Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Jainism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, etc.. all ancient Sanskrit, Greek, Roman, Aramaic, Hebrew scriptures, texts - Ramayana / Trojan war, Mahabharata, Krisha/Jesus, Moses/Agasthya, all come from this Dravidian civilization in South India.



Alexander’s historians record that they saw many interesting events surrounding the priests including the famous sanyasi who challenges him. They saw many priests meditating on trees, & some hanging upside down.

So there was a priest cult already existing with the Dravidians when Alexander comes to the country of Indae/Indo.

Most researchers agree that Mohenjo-Daro/Harrapa are Dravidian civilization based on the artifacts/culture icons etc..

Brahui language spoken in Afghanistan is most definitely Tamil & has a general consensus with all researchers.

Sumeria’s epic of Gilgamesh – is an almost identical story of the Noah’s flood/saving people/animals via a huge ship = Manu’s flood/ saving of people/animals via huge ship. So it must have originated here in India. They must have been part of Alexander’s soldiers.. who took back the heroics of their hero Gilgamesh/Manu/Noah.

Some linguists have theorized that Sumerian & Akkadian languages could have been an archaic form of tamil & Kannada..

Isralites/Jews have been known to be in part a Black race.. in the ancient past by many researchers..

Egyptians claim they came from a land across the great south sea.. which can only be either south India OR South East Asia/Indonesia. Egyptian/TamilGods, Cultures, traditions are almost identical.

Finally, there was an elamite land near Sumeria which is in all probability a Tamil Origin.

All these civilizations have a lot of commonality in terms of shared legendary war epics, similar gods, similar cultures. So clearly the Dravidians ruled from south india to North India to Pakistan to Sumeria/Elamite (Iraq), parts of middle east to Egypt/Ethiopia)

Tamil DNA &African DNA are different & Tamils aremore closely linked to Aborginals via genetic study. Hence Tamils/Dravidians are part of the same race group as the Australian aboriginals, & they come from Indonesia/Sumatra Islands in the distant past & settled in Ceylon, South India. So Tamils were the original natives of Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Cambodia, fuji Islands, Australia etc.. till the Chinese & Mughal Invasion/sin South East.

In the Ramayana, the Vanaras / Monkey race is known to be a short statured race with monkey like features, but can speak the human language. Since the Vanaras fight along with Rama, & hence the Tamils, they have to be a race close or intermixed to the Tamils/ dravidians. In the ancient past, people mostly only fought along blood related races or intermixed races.

In the version of Ramayana in South East Asia, more than Rama, Hanuman is seen as a major hero, and each race highlighted the glory of their ancestors in reference to the same war. So this Vanaras/monkey like race are also from Indonesia/Sumatra islands & they migrate/fight along with the Tamils to Ceylon/South India. Veddas in Ceylon have long claimed that they exterminated this small monkey like race from their country.

Researchers found small human / ape like species in Indonesia…refer URL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nittaewo

In October2004, the discovery of the fossils of a proposed new species of the genus Homo,
HomoFloresiensis, from the Indonesian island of Flores, further gave weight to the idea of small human or ape like species living amongst us in previous times.

On the languages, as I said in my initial posts, Sanskrit is a purely Dravidian origin, it is sister language of Tamil & Kannada. That’s why Sanskrit pronunciation is identical to Dravidian & most ancient Sanskrit texts were found in Grantha script. The entire priest cult, the concept of sacred language of Gods are all Dravidian origin. Sumerian, Akkadian, Egpytian all have the same concept of sacred language as they all originate from the ancient Dravidian race.

Dravidian languages including Sanskrit as it exists today has borrowed & similarly influenced the other languages – Greek, Latin, Aramaic, Egpytian, Sumerian etc...

our ancient texts accurately reflect our history, the heroes, the legends, mythical wars, races, kingdoms, etc. Who would have thought the Vanara race actually did exist?

In summary, Dravidian/Tamil race is the mother of all the civilizations– Vedic, Greek, Roman, Egpytian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Akkadian, Jewish/Aramaic Civilizations.
 
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mkrishna100

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In summary, Dravidian/Tamil race is the mother of all the civilizations– Vedic, Greek, Roman, Egpytian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Akkadian, Jewish/Aramaic Civilizations.

Interesting
 

renuka

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In summary, Dravidian/Tamil race is the mother of all the civilizations– Vedic, Greek, Roman, Egpytian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Akkadian, Jewish/Aramaic Civilizations.


So lets reclaim the world!

Let's launch the battle-ships!

Jaykay Ji Ki Jai!

Oops sorry that was Hindi!LOL


Jaykay Ji Zindabad!

Oops Urdu!

But then again..the Amma of all civilizations is Tamil..so that means all languages are Tamil>

Thalaivan Vazhga! Thalaivan Vazhga!
 
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Jaykay767

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Hi Renuka,

Good morn. I am furiously analyzing the alien landing inthe ancient Dravidian lands!!. So be ready for an alien discussion.

LOL !!

Cheers,
 

renuka

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They saw many priests meditating on trees, & some hanging upside down.

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LOL! This sounds like a Khap Panchayat punishment..hanging on a tree upside down.

That means Jaats were in India even before Dravidians/Tamilians came..no wonder Deva Samhita says Jaats originated from the hair of Lord Shiva!
 
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Jaykay767

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Australians Aboriginals believe that Gods reside on top of the mountain, infact they do not scale to the top of the peak. Dravidians have the same logic – of Shiva/Gods residing on the Himalayas. Mount Meru is known as the place where the Gods reside.

Ankor Wat in Cambodia, is a representation of Mount Meru & is facing west towards India. Similarly the pyramids are a representation of the mount meru & you can see this in Egypt, Inca Civilization/s in Latin America/Mexico. Since Egyptians (similarly the Dravidians) worshipped Kings as Gods or Sons of Gods, they buried the kings in these pyramids as a representation of the Mount Meru/abode of the Gods.

So the great sea faring Dravidian/tamil race influenced the culture/traditions across most of the lands in the ancient world !!
 
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Jaykay767

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Hi Renuka,

North India had a significant Dravidian presence prior tothe Persian Invasion, that’s why there was a resurgence/adoption of the worshipof Shiva, Vishnu, Rama, Krishna after the fall of the Islamic empires. Manylegends of their origins linked to Shiva, Rama, Krishna etc..

Infact you will know better, many Indonesians, Malaysian Chinesehave Tamil/Kannada names. I was surprised when I first met some of them wayback & their names were all Dravidian.

So the influence of the Dravidians in most of the landswere fundamental in nature, they influenced the language, culture, traditions,etc..

Cheers,
 

renuka

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Australians Aboriginals believe that Gods reside on top of the mountain, infact they do not scale to the top of the peak. Dravidians have the same logic – of Shiva/Gods residing on the Himalayas. Mount Meru is known as the place where the Gods reside.

Ankor Wat in Cambodia, is a representation of Mount Meru & is facing west towards India. Similarly the pyramids are a representation of the mount meru & you can see this in Egypt, Inca Civilization/s in Latin America/Mexico. Since Egyptians (similarly the Dravidians) worshipped Kings as Gods or Sons of Gods, they buried the kings in these pyramids as a representation of the Mount Meru/abode of the Gods.

So the great sea faring Dravidian/tamil race influenced the culture/traditions across most of the lands in the ancient world !!

But how come Vaishnavas did not believe in any mountain?

Ksheerabdhi Shayana Narayana
Sri Lakshmi Ramana Narayana
Narayana Hari Narayana
Narahari Roopa Narayana
Vaikunta Vasa Narayana
Vaidehi Mohana Narayana
Narayana Hari Narayana
Natajana Paripala Narayana
 
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Jaykay767

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Renuka – Pl note one of the most important places for the Vaishnavites is Tirupati & the temple is on top of the mountain..
 

renuka

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Renuka – Pl note one of the most important places for the Vaishnavites is Tirupati & the temple is on top of the mountain..

But that is man made.

Original Narayana is not on top of any mountain.

The only time Narayana was involved with a mountain is when Kurma Avatar carried Mandara Mountain on His back to churn the sea.

Otherwise Narayana is not involved with Mountains.
 

krish44

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Renuka – Pl note one of the most important places for the Vaishnavites is Tirupati & the temple is on top of the mountain..
some believe that tirupati temple was not originally vaishnavite .

Nowhere one finds vaishnavite temples on top of hills

The belief is originally it was a jain temple converted into vaishnavite after samanam influence waned in tamilnadu.
 

Vaagmi

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So lets reclaim the world!

Let's launch the battle-ships!

Jaykay Ji Ki Jai!

Oops sorry that was Hindi!LOL


Jaykay Ji Zindabad!

Oops Urdu!

But then again..the Amma of all civilizations is Tamil..so that means all languages are Tamil>

Thalaivan Vazhga! Thalaivan Vazhga!

Amma vaazhga.
 

renuka

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some believe that tirupati temple was not originally vaishnavite .

Nowhere one finds vaishnavite temples on top of hills

The belief is originally it was a jain temple converted into vaishnavite after samanam influence waned in tamilnadu.


yes..this is what I heard too.
 

sarang

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most of the nrusimha temples are on mountains. samanar never laid claims on tirupathy nor there is any reference to tirumalai in any jain scriptures. you better catch hold of those elusive believers and make them do thoppukaranam.

some believe that tirupati temple was not originally vaishnavite .

Nowhere one finds vaishnavite temples on top of hills

The belief is originally it was a jain temple converted into vaishnavite after samanam influence waned in tamilnadu.
 

vgane

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Dear Jaykay,

Good analysis. In fact until 140 million years ago Indian plate was part of Gondwana which comprised of Africa, Antarctica, South America and Australia till they drifted apart ...
 

JR

Hare Krishna
The Seshachala mountain itself is supposed to be Adisesha himself.

The Seshachala mountain is supposed to have been there since Krita yuga and dedicated to Vishnu worship of some form.

It is possible that in later days (during Kali yuga), other temples grew up in the place, but were replaced by original Sri Vishnu temple as it stands right now.

The following quote might show us how the holy 7 hills has been associated with Sri Vishnu as per the legend of Vrishabasura which is why it is known as Vrishabadri - Vrishabhadri or Vrishabhachala ? The name of Tirumala Hills in Satya Yuga ~ Hindu Blog

The Tirumala Hill abode of the Tirupati Balaji Temple is as holy as Vaikunta, the abode of Vishnu. It is believed that Srihari Vishnu had brought the sacred hill to earth from Vaikunta. In different yugas, the Tirumala Hill is known by different names. It is known as Vrishabhadri or Vrishabhachala in Krita or Satya Yuga.
Krita or Satya Yuga is the first among the four yugas as per Hindu Tradition. It is the age of Truth.

Legend has it that during Krita Yuga, a demon named Vrishabhasura captured the Tirumala Hill and started performing a gruesome penance. He used to cut his head and offer it with a flower to the Narasimha Avatar of Vishnu. His head would grow back again and he continued the same terrible austerity the next day. Fed up with this terrible tapas, holy men deserted the seven hills surrounding Tirumala.

Finally, Srihari Vishnu appeared before Vrishabhasura and asked him the reason for his austerity. The demon said that he wanted to fight Vishnu.

Vishnu agreed and a terrible fight ensued. In the end, Vishnu used his Sudarshana Chakra to annihilate Vrishabhasura.

Vrishabhasura was aware that those that were killed by Vishnu attain Moksha and he asked the boon by keeping it in mind. Vishnu was pleased with Vrishabhasura and asked him to ask one more boon.

The demon asked the Tirumala hill to be named Vrishabhadri. Thus in Krita Yuga the holy hill was known as Vrishabhadri or Vrishabhachala.
 
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JR

Hare Krishna
It might be worthy to know that Lord Lakshmi Narasimha is very fond of mountains, caves, etc. His most prominent temples at Ahobilam and Simhachalam are located on top of mountains.
 
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renuka

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The fascination for hills and mountains make sense for a tribal scenario where they can have an aerial view of potential attacks from other tribes.

So may be many hill top temples could have been tribal places of worship.

May be Jaykay can research on this.
 
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Jaykay767

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Renuka – yes,possible, many traditions, beliefs evolved over thousands of years & forthem to be rooted in ancient dravidian tribal practice is very likely. Even inthe case of Moses (Agasthya), he find God on Mount Sinai / Agasthiyar hills!!
 
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Jaykay767

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On another note, our scriptures are accurate descriptionsof our history. For eg, Moses rescues the Jews to the Promised Land bysplitting the sea as per Testament, similarly Agasthya saves the Gods from theAsuras by drinking the ocean .

Moses finds God as a ball of fire who gives him the 10commandments. So Moses declares that God is formless & one should notworship Idols. So if you combine these stories, it is clear the Namboodiris werethe Gods/Jews. Exactly as per this, you can see, it is Shankara who writes the greatAdvaita/formless but all pervasive God – Brahman.

So one of the Guru’s of Shankara is the legendaryMoses/Agasthya !!


 

renuka

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So one of the Guru’s of Shankara is the legendaryMoses/Agasthya !!


Than what about Ramanuja? Who was His guru? You better not tell me it was Jesus!

Hey I am right..cos you said Jesus is Krishna..and Krishna is supposed to be the Avatar of Lord Vishnu.

Ok I get it now.

Shankara's Guru =Moses=Agasthya.

Ramanuja's Guru=Jesus =Vishnu/Krishna
 
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Jaykay767

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And Agasthya comes from the city of Vatapi/Badami/Lanka/Ravana = Brahma !. So now doesn’t it fit perfectly for Shankara to declare Brahma-n as the supreme being !!

My view - Agasthya comes from the Roman Name – Augustin. Moses was the name given by the Pharaoh’s daughter, so it not his original name. My view is similarly all our Rishis can be linked to the respective Roman names.

So Badami = Lanka = Troy = Trojan Race = Roman led Mixed Race. Romans claim they are from the Trojan descendants. Similarly all royal families in Europe claim lineage from the Romans & hence the Trojans. That’s why Blonde Men were equated to = Aryan Brahmin = Ravana/Priam !!

So as you can see, everyone of the legends, names, stories perfectly align with our texts !!
 
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Jaykay767

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Renuka - you are right !. In the ancient past, the disciples of the Gurus followed the tradition & expanded on their theories ! Pl note Jesus (Krishna) was a great teacher/Saint / son of God. So Ramanujam had to be one of his direct disciples or disciple of a disciple..

My view is Ramanujam himself is Saint Thomas !!.
 
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