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Donald Trump's Presidency

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vgane

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I am starting this new thread as suggested in the other thread (which is now closed) on Donald Trump to discuss the new maverick President of USA! What he is up to, I am not sure!!

A Princeton historian on how textbooks of the future will explain the madness of the 2016 US election

Julian E. Zelizer
November 15, 2016

The 2016 US election was a transformative moment in US history. There is much uncertainty about what president-elect Donald Trump’s term will bring. But future history books are likely to argue that his victory reflects several key developments in American politics.
First, the election of Donald Trump revealed the powerful reactionary forces pushing back against pluralism, diversity, and social tolerance in the US. American voters threw their support behind Trump for a variety of reasons, ranging from concerns about the economy to distaste for his opponent, former secretary of state Hillary Clinton. But there is no doubt that Trump’s campaign both encouraged and benefited from the resurgence of xenophobia, Islamophobia, sexism, racism, and anti-Semitism in mainstream party politics.
The vehemence of this bigotry came as a surprise to some liberal Americans, given the election of the nation’s first black president in 2008, the triumph of same-sex marriage, and other long-term social and cultural trends pushing the nation in a direction. But historians will remember this election for the way it revealed the strength of white voters’ resistance to these changes, as well as their desire to find scapegoats to explain their economic struggles.
Historians will regard this election as a point at which the troubling political implications of new media became apparent. Second, historians will regard this election as a point at which the troubling political implications of new media became apparent.New media has an insatiable hunger for fresh stories, plot lines, and “content.” Trump understood this, and he succeeded in part because he thrived in the rapid-fire, 24-hour world of cable and digital media. He knew how to capture the attention of reporters in this click-bait world with outlandish statements, and he knew how to survive the turbulent swings of the news cycle.
Historians will also regard this election as a time in which the line between fact and fiction became particularly difficult to discern. In 2016, tools like Twitter allowed politicians and their supporters to reach millions of voters without any filter or fact-checking. The era of large print metropolitan papers and a three-network television monopoly is over. In its place is a media-industrial complex refracted through a partisan prism, leaving Americans without strong information gatekeepers or agreed-upon truths.
Legislators once considered right-wing, such as former Indiana senator Richard Lugar, became among the few moderate voices in the party. The election will further be remembered for revealing the profound ways in which the Republican Party had changed. Since the rise of the Tea Party in 2008, scholars including Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein have noted a sharp rightward drift within the GOP on a number of key issues, including immigration, taxation, regulation, and public spending. Anew generation of Republicans who came of political age in the aftermath of former president George W. Bush believe that their party has moved too far to the center. These conservatives vehemently reject big government and reckless overseas entanglements, and believe their fellow Republicans have become too comfortable with Washington and the trappings of power.
Within Congress, legislators who were once considered right-wing, such as Indiana senator Richard Lugar, are now considered among the few moderate voices in the party. Of historical interest is not only the fact that the party has moved so far right but that it embraced a smash-mouth, partisan, anti-establishment style of governance—even before the rise of Trump. This is why Trump found a home as the party nominee. His most conservative positions on issues like immigration, bans against Muslims, denying climate change, and attacking “political correctness” resonated with a significant portion of the party, even if some of the leadership felt the need to walk away during parts of the campaign. Many “establishment” Republicans were quick to congratulate Trump on his victory, however, and expressed their support for his campaign.
Lastly, the election will be remembered as a moment in which the Democratic leadership’s embrace of free-market economics came back to bite them. With the rise of the conservative movement in the 1970s, Democrats believed that they needed to shift right or lose support. Starting in the late 1970s with former president Jimmy Carter, Democratic presidents and some legislative leaders have moved closer to the conservative center on economic issues, accepting the primacy of free markets, deregulation, and tax cuts—albeit in a more moderated fashion than their Republican opponents. Early in Bill Clinton’s presidency, for example, he infuriated traditional Democrats like Missouri’s Richard Gephardt by pushing for the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
But in subsequent decades, the forces of globalization, supported by policies like NAFTA, have allowed entire industries to move overseas to lower-cost areas. Many working Americans have felt economically insecure. Entire communities have seen jobs vanish, and the prospects for their children narrow.
This year, Trump appealed to these voters through a combination of blistering attacks on free trade and appeals to fear and hatred. As Democrats watched Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and other blue or battleground states vote for Trump, they were confronted by the electoral ramifications of the policy choices they have made over the decades.
We don’t know exactly how historians will frame all of these developments in the future. But we can see the outlines of the conversation they will have. And all the signs suggest it won’t be a pretty picture.

http://qz.com/837343/a-princeton-hi...-explain-the-madness-of-the-2016-us-election/
 

raysundar

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I am sure one of our Scriptural scholars on TB can find a suitable verse from the Bhagavad Gita that will best describe the rise to power of Donald Trump and what we can expect from his presidency.
After all the Gita is our Indian version of the Nostradamous predictions.
Both embody all the future actions of man in a very succint manner.
 

tbs

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hi

i heard abt NICKEY HALLY.....INDIAN PIO FOR SECRETARY OF STATE...lets wait and see...
 

raysundar

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Nicky Haley is an American born in America but of Indian parents naturalized citizens in America
Since she is a Governor I doubt she can have a status as even partial Indian citizenship.
 

prasad1

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Only the President of USA must be Natural born USA citizen.
Haley was born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa
in Bamberg, South Carolina, on January 20, 1972, to an Indian Sikh family.
It is not required that you be a natural born US citizen to be a Governor. Arnold Schwarzenegger was not born in USA and he was California Governor.

Henry Kissinger was born Heinz Alfred Kissinger in
Fürth, Bavaria, Germany, in 1923 during the Weimar Republic, to a family of German Jews. He was secretary of State in Nixon administration.
 

raysundar

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Prasad,
Thanks for the info.
PIO is just a Person of Indian origin.
These days we are allowed OCI overseas citizen of India.
That makes you a dual citizen(but no voting rights in India) and bars you from certain employment ops which require security clearance.
Even otherwise where I used to work I could not get a clearance to work on classified projects for the company because I was not born in the USA.
 
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vgane

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vgane

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Trump's tweets are angry outbursts..He can take a leaf out of our PM's tweets...They are very sober after he became the PM

[h=1]'Be a leader not a tweeter: American voters want Trump to stop tweeting[/h]

November 23, 2016 22:58

American voters want president-elect Donald Trump to stop tweeting, showed a new poll.


The national poll by the Quinnipiac University showed about 59 per cent believe Trump should actually shut down his personal Twitter account, cbs news reported.


Voters told Trump, "You've got the job. Now be a leader not a tweeter," said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.


"We're watching to make sure you put the country, not the Trump brand, first," said the voters.


Majority voters said they were "optimistic about the next four years with Donald Trump as president".


About 52 per cent of voters said Trump's policies would help the US economy, 31 per cent said they would hurt.


As for the calling to be a united American nation, 49 per cent of voters said Trump would do more to divide the country while 47 per cent said he would unite.

http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2...top-tweeting/460de2e627bbecc6e109ad7d23630cdf
 

raysundar

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Vgane,
Interesting statistics.
I would say let the Don tweet away so we can all know what is going on inside that crazy head of his.
 
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vgane

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Seems reasonable!

[h=1]Trump suggests 'consequences' for any flag-burners[/h]November 30, 2016 00:44


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President-elect Donald Trump said that anyone who burns an American flag should face unspecified "consequences," such as jail or a loss of citizenship, a move that was ruled out by the Supreme Court nearly three decades ago.

Trump took to Twitter, stating, "Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag, if they do, there must be consequences, perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"


It was not immediately clear what prompted the tweet. The president-elect's tweet is a direct conflict with free speech rights guaranteed by the First Amendment to the Constitution.


It came as he prepared to name a secretary of state and transportation secretary.


The Supreme Court ruled in 1989 that flag-burning is "expressive conduct" protected by the First Amendment.

http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2...-flagburners/202f1ece2a302688e3f1207f3750fd85
 

mskmoorthy

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In case this news has not been heard,

Hampshire College Draws Protests Over Removal of U.S. Flag
From Boston Globe

AMHERST — Hampshire College students returned to classes Monday, unsure when or if the American flag will be raised again as the school commenced intense discussions about the decision to remove what its president has called a “disruptive symbol.”[/FONT][/COLOR]
“I think that personally it should stay down for a while. We’re not done processing it yet,” said Astrid Tilton, 18, a first-year student from Vineyard Haven. “I think we’ll know when to put the flag back up.”

Until that happens, the firestorm is likely to continue at the small liberal-arts school, adding to its outsize reputation as a place for attention-grabbing protest. On the main page of its website, in a nod to its nontraditional approach, the school urges viewers to “disrupt the status quo.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...ire-college/jTKeUJzOls0dn5p4RvVhzM/story.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/us/hampshire-college-flag-veterans-protest.html
 

raysundar

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His tweets are driving me nuts.
Looks like he will have his team of lawyers "craft" a suitable legal argument for him to hold his business and presidency simultaneously operating at the very fringes of the legal system. No body will be able to challenge that and argue with his team of lawyers from Trump org. Nobody can do a damn thing about whatever he does. Even if they try to challenge him, his lawyers will keep the cases dragging for years util his presidency for 4 years at least. So be prepared for the most corrupt, crafty, new born politician in America.
 

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Yes Shri Raysundar! Trump cannot have a stake in a business & also run the Presidency! There will be a conflict of interest and he will be vulnerable to accusation that official actions are motivated by personal business interest
 
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vgane

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Does it make better economic sense for American Companies to stay put only in US to the peril of higher costs and lower profitability

[h=1]Companies leaving US will face consequences: Trump[/h]December 02, 2016 08:19


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United States President-elect Donald Trump has warned American firms wanting to relocate abroad that they will face punishment, as he announced a deal with air conditioning manufacturer Carrier to keep jobs in the country.

"Companies are not going to leave the United States any more without consequences. Not going to happen," Trump told workers at the Carrier plant in Indianapolis in his first major public remarks since winning the White House.

"They can leave from state to state, and negotiate deals with different states, but leaving the country will be very, very difficult," Trump added.

During the presidential campaign, the Republican billionaire threatened to slap tariffs on firms that decamped for places like Mexico or Asia where labour costs are cheaper. It became a repeated refrain of his victorious campaign.

http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2...uences-trump/b3ffc0bb677b69e3a7c7a0fb6cbb25a7

 

raysundar

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Does it make better economic sense for American Companies to stay put only in US to the peril of higher costs and lower profitability

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Trump's biggest efforts will be at bringing jobs back to America. You are right that the cost of products will go up. No middle class or poor people will be able to afford anything made in America any more not to mention health care which will be at the mercy of the insurance companies. The insurance premiums will be unaffordable for poor and middle class. Yes people may get jobs but they may not be able to buy anything less expensive anymore.
 
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vgane

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Trump's biggest efforts will be at bringing jobs back to America. You are right that the cost of products will go up. No middle class or poor people will be able to afford anything made in America any more not to mention health care which will be at the mercy of the insurance companies. The insurance premiums will be unaffordable for poor and middle class. Yes people may get jobs but they may not be able to buy anything less expensive anymore.

Protectionism will be deleterious to American interests in long run! The soon Trump realizes the better will it be for US!!
 
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vgane

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What is happening to Trump? Heaping praise on Pak PM & Kazhkstan's dictator President! He has to wear the President's hat not a Businessman hat!

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vgane

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Now ruffling the feathers of China! Where will it lead to? Even India does not maintain official diplomatic relations with Taiwan!!

[h=1]China lodges formal complaint with US over Trump's call with Taiwan prez[/h]ShareComment
December 03, 2016 20:47

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Beijing has lodged a protest with the United States over a call between US President-elect Donald Trump and Taiwanese leader Tsai Ing-wen, the foreign ministry said on Saturday.


"We have already made solemn representations about it to the relevant US side. It must be pointed out that there is only one China in the world. Taiwan is an inalienable part of China's territory," the statement said.


"We urge the relevant parties in the US to abide by the commitment to the one-China policy" and "to handle Taiwan-related issues with caution and care to avoid unnecessarily interfering with the overall situation of Sino-US relations," it said.


Trump's telephone call with Tsai broke with decades of foreign policy and fuelled fears he is improvising on international affairs.


It is thought that no US president or president-elect has spoken with a leader of Taiwan for 37 years, after the US implemented a "One China" policy.


http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2...-taiwan-prez/34922324fab21ef50ea78971fe378c4b
 
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