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BrhadAranyaka Upanishad - sloka 4.4.22 - Realizing Atman - Part 1

With due respect, Sri thebigthinkg's response appears to me as further classic evasion of the real issues I raised.

His point no.1 - answer a-TB's posts:

Why does he evade recognising and answering the very clear meaning behind a-TB's explicit words

"I think I would better appreciate reading discussions that speak to the wisdom of the teachings" ?

"I have nothing to offer in return" is not an answer.

His point no. 2 - "brain development".

I wrote, "We do not need his verbal obfuscations and references to "brain development".

His "I will write another OP where we can discuss that issue" is, again, not an answer. Not only is it kicking the can down the alley, we do not want his noisy empty can at all. His earlier confession, "I have nothing to offer in return," might be more appropriate.

His points Nos. 3 & 4 - Which Kaashi Yaathra he meant, and "passion".

Another attempt at evasion. A punya-sthala yaathra is a punya-sthala yaatha, whether attempted by a brahmachaarin, or by a grahastha, or by a vaanaprastha or by a sanyaasi. Having "passion" or lacking it is totally irrelevant, if the piety and intention is clear.

If Sri thebigthinkg's point is to condemn the particular marriage ritual as meaningless and not sanctioned by our Vedas (unlike the saptha-padi), then would he also similarly condemn the tying of the nuptial turmeric-dipped cotton thread, the exchanging of garlands, the session on the swing, the bride's wearing of madisaru, and so on and so forth?

His point no.5 - Losing respect.

He has held himself out as a guru on Brihadaaranyaka Upanishad (and other Scriptures?), and expounded high-sounding upadesham to everyone who cares to listen. His expositions I found faulty in major respects, and so lost respect for his assumed lofty aachaarya role.

For example, when I pointed out expressly his basically flawed conceptions regarding brahmacharya, grahastha, vaanaprastha and sanyaasa aashramas, he had no answers, but chose to hide behind "a future separate OP".

No, I do not want any more obfuscating and irrelevant "future OPs". If he cannot answer, so be it. There are plenty of other sources of information and enlightenment.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer
 
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With due respect, Sri thebigthinkg's response appears to me as further classic evasion of the real issues I raised.

His point no.1 - answer a-TB's posts:

Why does he evade recognising and answering the very clear meaning behind a-TB's explicit words

"I think I would better appreciate reading discussions that speak to the wisdom of the teachings" ?

"I have nothing to offer in return" is not an answer.

His point no. 2 - "brain development".

I wrote, "We do not need his verbal obfuscations and references to "brain development".

His "I will write another OP where we can discuss that issue" is, again, not an answer. Not only is it kicking the can down the alley, we do not want his noisy empty can at all. His earlier confession, "I have nothing to offer in return," might be more appropriate.

His points Nos. 3 & 4 - Which Kaashi Yaathra he meant, and "passion".

Another attempt at evasion. A punya-sthala yaathra is a punya-sthala yaatha, whether attempted by a brahmachaarin, or by a grahastha, or by a vaanaprastha or by a sanyaasi. Having "passion" or lacking it is totally irrelevant, if the piety and intention is clear.

If Sri thebigthinkg's point is to condemn the particular marriage ritual as meaningless and not sanctioned by our Vedas (unlike the saptha-padi), then would he also similarly condemn the tying of the nuptial turmeric-dipped cotton thread, the exchanging of garlands, the session on the swing, the bride's wearing of madisaru, and so on and so forth?

His point no.5 - Losing respect.

He has held himself out as a guru on Brihadaaranyaka Upanishad (and other Scriptures?), and expounded high-sounding upadesham to everyone who cares to listen. His expositions I found faulty in major respects, and so lost respect for his assumed lofty aachaarya role.

For example, when I pointed out expressly his basically flawed conceptions regarding brahmacharya, grahastha, vaanaprastha and sanyaasa aashramas, he had no answers, but chose to hide behind "a future separate OP".

No, I do not want any more obfuscating and irrelevant "future OPs". If he cannot answer, so be it. There are plenty of other sources of information and enlightenment.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer
Sir

I think you and me aligned on the first two points now. You consider it as evasion. I understand that. I can only respond to it with my posts.

On kAsi yAtra, I did not condemn it at all any time. So I am not sure where you are picking it from. Probably you should read the discussion on kAsi yAtra thread if you are interested in it.

I am neither a guru nor any acharya. I am very ordinary person. I share what I understood and if there are specific points of debate (not general views like I don’t agree, it is wrong etc) or specific issues in translation, I respond to them.

I am putting up a separate OP on why I say grhastasrama cannot be skipped according to our dharmasutras. If you are interested, please go through and feedback.

https://www.tamilbrahmins.com/showthread.php?t=38819

-TBT
 
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