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Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi

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God and guru are in truth not different. Just as what has been caught in the jaws of a tiger will not return, so those who have been caught in the look [or glance] of guru’s grace will never be forsaken but will surely be saved by him; nevertheless, it is necessary to walk unfailingly in accordance with the path that guru has shown.

Verse 12 Nan Yar? (Who am I?)
 

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The great seers transcend all philosophy and psychology and
directly plunge into spirituality or human contact with divine space. Is it not?
Leaving aside the the sadhus with ulterior motives or who
want to have a easy way of living, the other cases like Valmiki
who wrote Ramayana seem to have gone thru all three stages.
Except for the women folks, for most of whom the life values are a mix of mundane with divine ,psychologically they find it ok to rationalize their life experiences in terms of the divine space .They also cultivate prayers temple visits and other rituals in tune with their divine belief systems. Their ego levels
are kept in control,
such is not the case with Men in general who may be atheists or have belief systems that are different from the above and only in the fag end of their life they realise the value of divine space and spiritual content of life!
Why so?
 
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The great seers transcend all philosophy and psychology and
directly plunge into spirituality or human contact with divine space. Is it not?
Leaving aside the the sadhus with ulterior motives or who
want to have a easy way of living, the other cases like Valmiki
who wrote Ramayana seem to have gone thru all three stages.
Except for the women folks, for most of whom the life values are a mix of mundane with divine ,psychologically they find it ok to rationalize their life experiences in terms of the divine space .They also cultivate prayers temple visits and other rituals in tune with their divine belief systems. Their ego levels
are kept in control,
such is not the case with Men in general who may be atheists or have belief systems that are different from the above and only in the fag end of their life they realise the value of divine space and spiritual content of life!
Why so?
Sri USaiyer Sir,

Lord Krishna says that only a tiny portion of the population seeks the ultimate Truth. Why so?

Getting tired of Samsara is not easy. It takes innumerable births as humans to come to this stage. And, even if one comes to this stage, one needs the grace of the Brahman to open the doors to this knowledge.

Just my take. Sri Iyest Sir may have a better response. Thanks.
 

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Sri USaiyer Sir,

Lord Krishna says that only a tiny portion of the population seeks the ultimate Truth. Why so?

Getting tired of Samsara is not easy. It takes innumerable births as humans to come to this stage. And, even if one comes to this stage, one needs the grace of the Brahman to open the doors to this knowledge.

Just my take. Sri Iyest Sir may have a better response. Thanks.

Dear KRS sir, as senior citizens we can see how things have changed even in the last 50 or 60 years. People have substitutes for everything and made everything replaceable. It ranges from TVs and smartphones to wives, husbands, children and of course gurus. Divorce is easily obtained, children can be adopted, a new guru is always available if the present one is old fashioned and boring. There is nothing inherently right or wrong about this but it shows how the mind constructs societies and laws to feed its pleasures. This is a way to escape from suffering easily and quickly. People can get back to their pleasures and they can live in their envelope of comfort which they think is permanent. When life proceeds in this mode there is less need or opportunity to introspect and seek the fundamental answer to suffering.

Someone asked Bhagavan why he did not feel that the body was a burden. Bhagavan replied ‘ because you have not had enough of it’. We have not had enough of pleasures both material and psychological. The question of getting tired of samsara does not arise.

Just my two paisa.
 

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50 or 60years back, life was one of struggle and may be we did not have too many wants ,lived a simple life and socially a happy life too. Villages were flourishing. less urbanization .a caring govt .and less or limited education, To day what with
globalization, explosion of all types of education ,consumerism. The philosophy life have changed. Self interest and personal comforts have overtaken and the psychology
of the people also have changed leading to material pursuits.
and easy life and enjoyment.
But laws of nature being what they are, the social fabric
of breaking up of families, unconstrained life style ,easy virtues
are likely to lead to more problems individually and socially.
The next change will be to find a solution from within the
individual and spiritual awakening process will start.
Kalki Avatar may be in offing.
 
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Q : Is it possible for everyone to know directly without doubt what exactly is one's true nature?

A : Undoubtedly it is possible.

Q : How?

A : It is the experience of everyone that even in the states of deep sleep, fainting, etc., when the entire universe, moving and stationary, beginning with the earth and ending with the unmanifested (prakriti), disappears, he does not disappear. Therefore the state of pure being which is common to all and which is always experienced directly by everybody is one's true nature. The conclusion is that all experiences in the enlightened as well as the ignorant state, which may be described by newer and newer words, are opposed to one's real nature.

- from 'The Collected Works of Sri Ramana Maharshi', under the topic: 'Attainment' (Arudha), in 'Upadesa Manjari' or Spiritual Instruction.
 
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50 or 60years back, life was one of struggle and may be we did not have too many wants ,lived a simple life and socially a happy life too. Villages were flourishing. less urbanization .a caring govt .and less or limited education, To day what with
globalization, explosion of all types of education ,consumerism. The philosophy life have changed. Self interest and personal comforts have overtaken and the psychology
of the people also have changed leading to material pursuits.
and easy life and enjoyment.
But laws of nature being what they are, the social fabric
of breaking up of families, unconstrained life style ,easy virtues
are likely to lead to more problems individually and socially.
The next change will be to find a solution from within the
individual and spiritual awakening process will start.
Kalki Avatar may be in offing.
Sri usaiyer Sir,

we have to understand that we are all but tiny cells in the ‘body’ of the great manifestation called Ishwara.

Everything happens for a reason. Even for the Universe there is Jananam and Maranam. If one takes this attitude, then do not unduly worry about what happens in the outside world. Just appreciate the fact that we as human beings, if we want, have the tools given to us by the almighty, through Gurus and scriptures to escape all the samsaras. Thanks.
 
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Q: What is the difference between the mind and the Self?
A: There is no difference. The mind turned inwards is the Self; turned outwards, it becomes the ego and all the world. Cotton made into various clothes we call by various names. Gold made into various ornaments, we call by various names. But all the clothes are cotton and all the ornaments gold. The one is real, the many are mere names and forms. But the mind does not exist apart from the Self, that is, it has no independent existence. The Self exists without the mind, never the mind without the Self.
Sri Ramana Maharshi, Be As You Are
 
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Question: What is a mind, which has a form and a mind without form?

Bhagavan: Pure mind is a space of emptiness. Immediately on waking from sleep, a clear awareness arises, without exception in all people. That is formless mind. Thoughts such as "I am the body," "This is the world," arise only after that, which is the mind with form. In a cinema show the light appears first, and the forms appear on the screen only after the light. Likewise, the light of the Self comes first and provides space for everything that follows.

Taken from the book Bhagavan Ramana answers 100 questions.
Question 42.
 

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Question: What is a mind, which has a form and a mind without form?

Bhagavan: Pure mind is a space of emptiness. Immediately on waking from sleep, a clear awareness arises, without exception in all people. That is formless mind. Thoughts such as "I am the body," "This is the world," arise only after that, which is the mind with form. In a cinema show the light appears first, and the forms appear on the screen only after the light. Likewise, the light of the Self comes first and provides space for everything that follows.

Taken from the book Bhagavan Ramana answers 100 questions.
Question 42.
Seems like the mind without a form is like a sea without waves and the mind with a form is like a sea with waves.
 
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Seems like the mind without a form is like a sea without waves and the mind with a form is like a sea with waves.
Waves are then akin to ego. They exist as a result of wind and gravity (survival) and in the process forget they are water. Great apology.
 

usaiyer

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KRS ji,
what happens to the mind when asleep?
As I understand ,Self alone exists in deep sleep and as it is a state of pure bliss.
the mind is devoid of thoughts and fully controlled. Hence it merges with self.
But a mind disturbed and entertaining worries or actively in thinking state with out your being aware of it can lead to
disturbances in sleep
Dream state may occur and when he wakes up ,will he still be
in a formless mind?
How these states are different from wakeful state?
What is Bagahvan's explanation for them?
 

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KRS ji,
what happens to the mind when asleep?
As I understand ,Self alone exists in deep sleep and as it is a state of pure bliss.
the mind is devoid of thoughts and fully controlled. Hence it merges with self.
But a mind disturbed and entertaining worries or actively in thinking state with out your being aware of it can lead to
disturbances in sleep
Dream state may occur and when he wakes up ,will he still be
in a formless mind?
How these states are different from wakeful state?
What is Bagahvan's explanation for them?
When we get up especially at 4am for the first 20 minutes the brain is in alpha mode thought waves..its practically as still as a sea without waves and its laps up any info fed to it..like a blank memory card on which information can be stored..hence its called Brahmamuhurtam in Hinduism and the last 1/3 of the night when God descends in Islam.
This 4am time is highly recommended for sadhana as you must be already knowing.

Next is..do we all always wake up in a state of formless mind?
Well, not always!

If one wakes up in a Hypnopompic state, this stage is when one wakes up while still dreaming..that is the mind is still dreaming but physical body is already awake.

This stage can be scary and some people hallucinate as in still experiencing the dream state and the dreams project in waking state and mostly its some nightmare and one sees the superimposed nightmare right infront of their eyes.
Some do experience sleep paralaysis too in this state and the heart rate, breathing rate increases and the brain- mind complex is no more in alpha state.

So in such a situation we do NOT wake up in a state of a clean slate waveless sea formless mind and can feel anxious the moment we wake up.

Anyway what affects us more is the subconcious because the electromagnetic energy of our brain is affected by our emotions and general health and holistic well being....hence sadhana is recommended by religion as to feed conducive frequencies to our brain-mind complex and eventually hope to align it with the Universal frequency around us and it will inner engineer our whole system for trikarana suddhi.


Usually some info on the state of mind is given in religious text but at times we really might not find each and every state of mind covered in religious text as we are meant to contemplate upon what is given and we do have the option to take the jist of the understanding and co relate it with scientific principles we know like what Nikola Tesla had expanded upon when he said
" If you want to find the secret of the universe, you need to think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration"
 

usaiyer

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which is the satsangam in chennai or nearby place for
the Ramana followers.KRS may be aware of some which
I request you to pleas share.
 
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which is the satsangam in chennai or nearby place for
the Ramana followers.KRS may be aware of some which
I request you to pleas share.
Sri usaIyer Sir,

I do not attend any of the Bhagawan’s Satsangams. For me, his direct words, writings as well as thoughts of a few of his followers are adequate.

I live in the U.S., has been for the past 50 odd years. So, I specifically do not know the Chennai scene, regarding the question you posed.

Sorry, I am unable to assist you on this specific matter.
 

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