Are We Really Concerned About Our Community?????Let us do a Retrospective Analysis

[rameshkrishnn]

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#1 ,I agree ,Rameshkrishnn.
Unity in the community is the stumbling block for making it go forward'I can see communities like
Jains,Chettiars they are having some some community focus and have unity and forge ahead on
common grounds, Your purpose is perhaps is a similar one.
with unity much can be achieved than without it.I agree.But a movement for this! How to go about it?
As a loner or few individuals ,how far you can pull the Ther.?

Thanks for your reply.
I dont know how many members are there in this group
I see atlease 500 people read this message
only 2 or 3 react and reply..
Moreover, All are concerned about the Socio-Economic Factor than a Community Value.
No one wants to even come forward and discuss.
If the same message was flashed in a christian or Islamic community forum.. every other member would have actively participated.
People always think, If i'm in India I can do this..In fact once upon a time, when I was live abroad, I was also thinking the same way.
After I come back to India, I realized I was wrong.
People are not making an effort just because they are afraid of any social anger..
Or
They just want to carry on with their life..
No one realizes that we have lost so much.
waking up early is the first thing... Not there with 80% of the Brahmins
Nithya Karma-90% don't follow (Kaanamal/Konamal/Kandu)
Pooja-Homan etc., at least once a month... 80% don't follow
Self-learning Veda- Teaching Veda to their Kids.. Make them recite in the temples and functions-60% dont follow..
aachaaram-anushtanam-90% don't follow
Echchal, Theettu.. i would say 90% don't follow
Prayatchchiththam- 95% don't follow
Sradham/Tharpppanam-50% of the people don't follow
Visiting Temple with kids/Brothers/Sisters- 95% don't follow
Reading the scriptures and explain to next Generation- 95% don't follow.
And All will say either they do it or they don't have time or they don't believe in it.
The Whole society was intact-when Brahmin Community was performing their duties properly.....
Because we were teaching the other sections in the society what is right and what is wrong..
As soon as we shy away from our responsibilities... others started teaching the wrong this in the society.
"THALAI SARIAY IRUNDHA THAANE VAAL SARIYA IRUKKUM"
Naama thaan " THALAI"..
I didn't tell anything with is not possible..
Already I have started in my family..
telling this to my nears and dears..
But only when this becomes a community movement... we can see a change.. not only in our own community.. but also in the society.
Thanks
K Ramesh

 

[renuka]

#1 ,I agree ,Rameshkrishnn.
Unity in the community is the stumbling block for making it go forward'I can see communities like
Jains,Chettiars they are having some some community focus and have unity and forge ahead on
common grounds, Your purpose is perhaps is a similar one.
with unity much can be achieved than without it.I agree.But a movement for this! How to go about it?
As a loner or few individuals ,how far you can pull the Ther.?

Each community is different.
The Jains and Chettiars are very Rajas in dealings that involve money.
Money is their driving factor.

For a Brahmin mostly knowledge is the driving force and motive.

We have to understand that Rajas has a strong force and many would join hands if money is the motive.

Among Brahmins the motivating factor is still a Sattva one.

Sattva is an individual path becos the ultimate state of Moksha is a personal journey.

So may be you would find less " unity" among Brahmins not becos they are not united but becos the Brahmin mindset is an individualistic one.

Its only the individualistic mind that is actually the most focussed one but usually not too focussed on material gain.

All these factors should be considered before making a " revolution".
Each person should be allowed to remain his true nature but at the same time improve the community without changing the core values.
Since knowledge is always the driving force of a Brahmin..work on that field.

The field of knowledge is a booming one.
So that should be given most importance.

 

[Lotusinsanskrit]

I totally agree with the author. But it is not that easy to go back and start from where we left

So to start again we need not go to the typical period where we left but atleast we may start practice the way our ancestors in two to three decades lived.

To quote few

Education. Job outside but inside the house practising the routines of andhi sandhi abhivadhaye and particularly taking food only at home and that too sadhvika food.

For this I have seen in Vaishnava there is a practice of baraniyamsam even now and those who take have this strictly follow the home food and even water is prohibited outside.

Also I feel the tradition followed in nowadays marriages are just to show cause that we do follow our tradition which may be changed. Either it should be totally traditional or simply leave all the tradition and do it modern style and not to mix.

If these are slowly started practicing it by all we may slowly turn back to our traditional values and culture.

But how far it is attained gok. Also we have travelled very far as the community totally mixed with inter caste or inter religion.

 

[tbs]

hi

learn from parsi community......numerical in numbers.....still survive...nearly extention..still minority...never

ask reservations.....money is the main factor...mainly parsis are businessmen/rich....

 

[ekaputra]

I have already started personally....
Just though to see some like minded people, so that make it a movement..

In this time of corona how do you propose to get people together even if there are like minded people?

 

[balaji7820]

The 6 principle foundations for us Brahmins are:

Satya (Truth) - Dont confuse it with "Facts". Facts can be challenged, truth can never be.
Jnana (Knowledge) - Self explanatory
Bhakti (Devotion) - To your karma and dharma
Buddimatta (Wisdom) - Use the 1st three to face any challenge without breaking down mentally or physically
Swasthya (Health) - Pranayamam and Yog daily alteast 1 hr
Samruddhi (Prosperity) - Excel in whatever you do and earn a standing in society

If all follow this no threat to our way of life. The pancha bhutas will protect us.

 

[rameshkrishnn]

The 6 principle foundations for us Brahmins are:

Satya (Truth) - Dont confuse it with "Facts". Facts can be challenged, truth can never be.
Jnana (Knowledge) - Self explanatory
Bhakti (Devotion) - To your karma and dharma
Buddimatta (Wisdom) - Use the 1st three to face any challenge without breaking down mentally or physically
Swasthya (Health) - Pranayamam and Yog daily alteast 1 hr
Samruddhi (Prosperity) - Excel in whatever you do and earn a standing in society

If all follow this no threat to our way of life. The pancha bhutas will protect us.

how will u get all these.....

 

[balaji7820]

how will u get all these.....

Stop being compulsive...do anything and everything consciously...

 

[usaiyer]

I think there are more people viewing this thread now and positive replies are coming in.
You may work on your plan of action and also get a clear layout and design of what you want from
community friends.you may try to incorporate these in your plan,
The question raised by one of the members is relevant,How do we meet in the covid times?
You can think about that too .May be there could be way out to go forward.

 

[rameshkrishnn]

I think there are more people viewing this thread now and positive replies are coming in.
You may work on your plan of action and also get a clear layout and design of what you want from
community friends.you may try to incorporate these in your plan,
The question raised by one of the members is relevant,How do we meet in the covid times?
You can think about that too .May be there could be way out to go forward.

Hai
Good Morning
There is no need for a personal meeting rite now..
Discipline Starts from self... I always believe in it.
As i said earlier, Already I started Few things
Nithya Karma, Nithya Pooja, Monthly once Homams, Temple Service (will be starting shortly), Teaching Kids about our values. Make them recite shlokas. (My daughter is 9 years Old and she recites Lalitha Sahasranamam fully, and with lots of other Shlokas). Thanks to my Mamiyar.
Learn Vedas. Rite now I have started learning from the CD. Looking for a Guru in my area. Once i find one..will go to him. This will retrieve the Guru shishya system..slowly but steadily.
Make The Kids participate in all the social, spiritual and our custom related activities n functions.
I always tell my Kid and my brother's Kids the stores of sages.. etc.,
Already reduced the Number of serials watched at home.. Follow more on Shankara TV, and Run Kaalashebam of guru Velukkudi Krishnan.. etc.,
These are few drops on what I have started to do..
I request members to share their efforts..
once we start sharing our experience, people will definitely try a few which they can...
I never expected an instant change... but a conviction to change.. and commit to it is what is needed to begin with.
Thanks
K ramesh

 

[prasad1]

I think there are more people viewing this thread now and positive replies are coming in.
You may work on your plan of action and also get a clear layout and design of what you want from
community friends.you may try to incorporate these in your plan,
The question raised by one of the members is relevant,How do we meet in the covid times?
You can think about that too .May be there could be way out to go forward.

Zoom, Team, Google, Whatsup there are many platforms available.

 

[Brahmanyan]

Dear friend,
After reading the valued opinions of others, I wish to say a few words.
Brahmins are part of the Society, and we cannot isolate ourselves from the society where we live. When we look into the changes that have taken in our Society during these three
generations we will understand it better. When Brahmins left their prescribed duties of learning scriptures and priesthood, and went for serving others for monetary benefits, our families disintegrated due to migration. HUF are only in records of past. Similarly family hierarchy has gone for ever. This happened first while we vacated the villages and progressed further when our children migrated outside the country now. At one time we were particular about our pedigree called Gothram while selecting marriage partners for our children. When we look in our epics, we will find inter caste marriages are not new to our Hindu Society, but permitted under specific circumstances. The present generation may not have heard " Anuloma " or "Prathiloma" marriages.

Thus I believe we as Brahmins accepted the social change along with migration which is not possible to reverse now.

Regards,
Brahmanyan
Bangalore.

 

[rameshkrishnn]

Dear friend,
After reading the valued opinions of others, I wish to say a few words.
Brahmins are part of the Society, and we cannot isolate ourselves from the society where we live. When we look into the changes that have taken in our Society during these three
generations we will understand it better. When Brahmins left their prescribed duties of learning scriptures and priesthood, and went for serving others for monetary benefits, our families disintegrated due to migration. HUF are only in records of past. Similarly family hierarchy has gone for ever. This happened first while we vacated the villages and progressed further when our children migrated outside the country now. At one time we were particular about our pedigree called Gothram while selecting marriage partners for our children. When we look in our epics, we will find inter caste marriages are not new to our Hindu Society, but permitted under specific circumstances. The present generation may not have heard " Anuloma " or "Prathiloma" marriages.

Thus I believe we as Brahmins accepted the social change along with migration which is not possible to reverse now.

Regards,
Brahmanyan
Bangalore.

Good Morning
Thanks for your opinion.
Yes, in these last 3 Generations only we lost our Identity totally. Going out of the clutches and settle abroad for better earning is not a wrong thing..
But, as u said, we compromised our values just for the same of showing ourselves as one among the community.
Sir, For your information, Brahmins had a great regards from other communities, when they were doing their responsibilities properly.
We put ourselves down by stop doing all our responsibilities and disintegrate ourselves from our own nature and started living a fake life.
All consoling ourselves by saying we cannot isolate from the society.
We all forget.. Karavai Madu-- Pasu Paal Koduththa Thaan atharkku Mariyathai..... If the same Pasu tells, I have to make myself one among the other animals, so I can eat other animals means, no one will respect it, even if its in the form of Pasu..
We are in the same situation.
My only anguish is, most of the people who commented here is trying to justify their living style or compromising living, rather than come forward to put their first step towards change this situation.
Unless everyone of us take our First step towards the resurrection of our Values, (Brahmincal Values), sooner or later, we might have to go to libraries an archaeological department to know the same...

Thanks

K Ramesh

 

[tbs]

hi

now..survival is fittest....supply and demand theory always applicable...

 

[Brahmanyan]

Good Morning
Thanks for your opinion.
Yes, in these last 3 Generations only we lost our Identity totally. Going out of the clutches and settle abroad for better earning is not a wrong thing..
But, as u said, we compromised our values just for the same of showing ourselves as one among the community.
Sir, For your information, Brahmins had a great regards from other communities, when they were doing their responsibilities properly.
We put ourselves down by stop doing all our responsibilities and disintegrate ourselves from our own nature and started living a fake life.
All consoling ourselves by saying we cannot isolate from the society.
We all forget.. Karavai Madu-- Pasu Paal Koduththa Thaan atharkku Mariyathai..... If the same Pasu tells, I have to make myself one among the other animals, so I can eat other animals means, no one will respect it, even if its in the form of Pasu..
We are in the same situation.
My only anguish is, most of the people who commented here is trying to justify their living style or compromising living, rather than come forward to put their first step towards change this situation.
Unless everyone of us take our First step towards the resurrection of our Values, (Brahmincal Values), sooner or later, we might have to go to libraries an archaeological department to know the same...

Thanks

K Ramesh

Dear friend,
I appreciate the frankness with which you have pursued the subject. If we contemplate further with unbiased mind, we may get the answers ourself. It is my view that all that we view, read or hear to get an answer are others' view. They are a "must" but may not be final. This I found in my search for "truth". Truth in Sanskrit "Sath" which is the same in "thought, word and deed". "Sathyam" is otherwise known as unchanging God.

आहार निद्रा भय मैथुनं च सामान्यमेतत् पशुभिर्नराणाम् ।
धर्मो हि तेषामधिको विशेष: धर्मेण हीनाः पशुभिः समानाः ॥
Eating, sleep, fear and mating, these habits are common between human beings and animals. It is Dharma ( Here Dharma Represent Knowledge not different religion / Right conduct) which is important quality of human beings, without which he is same as an animal.
In other words, in birth all living beings are endowed with the same
Qualities by nature. Each one changes according to the society in which he was born.
As you have rightly said we need not leave our values, inculcated in our "genes" for generations by simple living and high thinking.

Best wishes,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
(Many of our queries are answered by HH Sri Chandrasekhara Bharathi of Sringeri Sarada Peedam, in his lectures
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s8...NvzqbQfPYcVWNIXTeljmWMVvbTS/view?usp=drivesdk )

 

[usaiyer]

हार निद्रा भय मैथुनं च सामान्यमेतत् पशुभिर्नराणाम् ।
धर्मो हि तेषामधिको विशेष: धर्मेण हीनाः पशुभिः समानाः ॥

Yes. The principle of 'Know thyself" is highlighted. I agree with you,There is a need to restore our value system from decay and show the path to our younger generation to follow .
This is a job worth pursuing . Compromise principles are enunciated by our Acharyas ,Mahaperiyava of Kanchi and Sringeri It is our good fortune they are there with us.
I t is for us to make it a movement for Janakalyan.

 

[prasad1]

Thanks for your reply.
I dont know how many members are there in this group
I see atlease 500 people read this message
only 2 or 3 react and reply..
Moreover, All are concerned about the Socio-Economic Factor than a Community Value.
No one wants to even come forward and discuss.
If the same message was flashed in a christian or Islamic community forum.. every other member would have actively participated.
People always think, If i'm in India I can do this..In fact once upon a time, when I was live abroad, I was also thinking the same way.
After I come back to India, I realized I was wrong.
People are not making an effort just because they are afraid of any social anger..
Or
They just want to carry on with their life..
No one realizes that we have lost so much.
waking up early is the first thing... Not there with 80% of the Brahmins
Nithya Karma-90% don't follow (Kaanamal/Konamal/Kandu)
Pooja-Homan etc., at least once a month... 80% don't follow
Self-learning Veda- Teaching Veda to their Kids.. Make them recite in the temples and functions-60% dont follow..
aachaaram-anushtanam-90% don't follow
Echchal, Theettu.. i would say 90% don't follow
Prayatchchiththam- 95% don't follow
Sradham/Tharpppanam-50% of the people don't follow
Visiting Temple with kids/Brothers/Sisters- 95% don't follow
Reading the scriptures and explain to next Generation- 95% don't follow.
And All will say either they do it or they don't have time or they don't believe in it.
The Whole society was intact-when Brahmin Community was performing their duties properly.....
Because we were teaching the other sections in the society what is right and what is wrong..
As soon as we shy away from our responsibilities... others started teaching the wrong this in the society.
"THALAI SARIAY IRUNDHA THAANE VAAL SARIYA IRUKKUM"
Naama thaan " THALAI"..
I didn't tell anything with is not possible..
Already I have started in my family..
telling this to my nears and dears..
But only when this becomes a community movement... we can see a change.. not only in our own community.. but also in the society.
Thanks
K Ramesh

We can have our opinions and lifestyle.
Why should others follow the steps you outlined?
What us there for me? Or the community?
Amish Style life is not for everyone.

Amish - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

 

[rameshkrishnn]

We can have our opinions and lifestyle.
Why should others follow the steps you outlined?
What us there for me? Or the community?
Amish Style life is not for everyone.

Amish - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Everyone is free to live the way they like.
And I never asked anyone to follow my steps.
Im talking about my Community where we still find so many needy and we wanted to revive our way of living.. which cannot be understood by Any "Amish".
So, u be what you are... No one bothers and no one will question..
Thanks

K Ramesh

 

[tbs]

We can have our opinions and lifestyle.
Why should others follow the steps you outlined?
What us there for me? Or the community?
Amish Style life is not for everyone.

Amish - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

hi

Amish Style life is not for everyone.

but Amish style still surviving in pennsylvania.....still sucessfulll for some...may not be for everyone..

like agraharam life is not for everyone....still its part of community survival..

 

[Lotusinsanskrit]

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I t is for us to make it a movement for Janakalyan
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